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Re: 3 way switch vs 4-way switchs: I'm thinkin bout goin with a 4-way
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2010, 11:26:39 AM »
Always nice to get a fresh set of pickups in my opinion =) Yeah the out of phase positions can be weird. lol My friend Trev loves to mod his guitar with all sorts of push pulls,switches,wiring changes, out of phase and all that. lol for me less is more because less is really alot once you realize how much the " less " really is! lol I aint tryin to get philosophical on y'all or nothin, but its true. =) Thanks for the in-depth explanation that was well put.

Out of Phase positions can be weird and also very usefull.
Neck humbucker out-of-phase and you get that Peter Green's tone.
Brigde single-coil out-of-phase in series with other pickup, under high distortion and you are in Brian May's territory.
Usually, OOP works better in series and under distortion (and I love it!).
But, as always, each pickup combination enhances some frequencies while dimming others so, only experimenting you can determine if the sound is good or not for that axe and pair of pickups.

My philosofy is a little different I want "the most of the useful combos with the minimun ergonomic issues and an easy mental map to obtain each one".

So, I started with the weirdest wiring (about 90 combos with 3 humbuckers), just to understand how each combination affects the sound.

Then, I implemented some kind of "advanced JP wiring mod", with 22 combos, using two humbuckers 2T and 2V pull/pushes, in an LP-like clone.  I've got The Mule at neck, and Riff Raff at bridge. Some day, I will post some demo video. 'm so lazzy for that.

My last design is 10 combos in an strato, 1 volume , 1 no-load tone and 1 toggle switch. Simpler, yes. That's the one that will test this Friday, with real amp (I did it with Amplitube 3).

I'm everytime reducing the number of combos, just selecting the most useful with minimum tweaking but, I still want something else than stock ones.

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Re: 3 way switch vs 4-way switchs: I'm thinkin bout goin with a 4-way
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2010, 05:39:15 PM »
Yeah im doing them both in full series, lol im a rebel what can i saw? lol but seriously though, its an open coil, do i still need to ground it if there is only the plastic bobbins? I'm guessing not, right?
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Re: 3 way switch vs 4-way switchs: I'm thinkin bout goin with a 4-way
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2010, 05:48:47 PM »
Yeah im doing them both in full series, lol im a rebel what can i saw? lol but seriously though, its an open coil, do i still need to ground it if there is only the plastic bobbins? I'm guessing not, right?

When swapping the start and finish conductor there is always a potential risk of include unwanted noises but, this a risk. Everything can sound flawless.
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Re: 3 way switch vs 4-way switchs: I'm thinkin bout goin with a 4-way
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2010, 06:22:02 PM »
Yeah im doing them both in full series, lol im a rebel what can i saw? lol but seriously though, its an open coil, do i still need to ground it if there is only the plastic bobbins? I'm guessing not, right?

Is it a 4-conductor or 2-conductor pickup?

If it's 4-conductor, the bare wire in the 4-conductor cable is always grounding the pickup's metal baseplate, so no problem.

If it's 2-conductor, the braided shield is grounding the end of the pickup's coil and the baseplate.  So when the pickups are in series, that braid becomes the "hot", so you'll get noise when you touch the metal parts of the pickup.  Since it's uncovered, you might get away with it, but it might squeal/hum if you touch the polepieces or mounting screws.
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Re: 3 way switch vs 4-way switchs: I'm thinkin bout goin with a 4-way
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2010, 05:09:04 AM »
Cool, yes Philly Q it is a 4 conductor and cool =) then just swap it all and we're good. My local guitar tech is gunna do it so no worries =) i'm excited =) Cant wait...too bad USPS takes 1.5 - 2 weeks to arrive and Tim only takes maybe a day to turn around a pickup ... lol c'est la vie, no? =)
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Re: 3 way switch vs 4-way switchs: I'm thinkin bout goin with a 4-way
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2010, 10:09:57 AM »
I'm not sure I'd bother with a 4-way if you've got a neck humbucker, I suspect the both-in-series 4th position will just be a big fat mush. 

On the other hand, it's only the cost of a switch to experiment.

yes, i winder that too. the series position is a very usable tone, but I dont find myself using it that often in reality
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Re: 3 way switch vs 4-way switchs: I'm thinkin bout goin with a 4-way
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2010, 06:05:44 AM »
NAH GUYS! I just picked up my guitar today with it and BOY  HOWDY! it sounds stinkin awesome! =) I yusta have a jazzmaster and loved and miss it and this 4th position almost sounds like a jazzmaster, this thumping twang =) it's brilliant! thank you to all who helped me even know about this let alone do it! =) now just for my bridge pickups.... 0=) Sorry BGF50's the Piledriver is takin over from here 0=)
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Re: 3 way switch vs 4-way switchs: I'm thinkin bout goin with a 4-way
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2010, 08:03:46 AM »
I posted a (brief) YouTube clip of me running through all 4 positions on my Bitsa Blackguard Flat 50 Tele:

http://www.youtube.com/user/markdemanbey?feature=mhw4#p/a/u/0/N-y44ZeUknQ

Not great, but might help.

Personally, I LOVE the switching option.

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Re: 3 way switch vs 4-way switchs: I'm thinkin bout goin with a 4-way
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2010, 06:28:42 PM »
Just a note to bear in mind that the 4-way switches you can buy aren't the highest quality.  I bought a Fender original and it wasn't the greatest to be honest.  Watch your soldering - uset he minimum amount of solder and don't over heat the tags  :)

i agree with dave here. they aren't the best quality - bearable though
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Re: 3 way switch vs 4-way switchs: I'm thinkin bout goin with a 4-way
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2010, 10:18:11 PM »
Just a note to bear in mind that the 4-way switches you can buy aren't the highest quality.  I bought a Fender original and it wasn't the greatest to be honest.  Watch your soldering - uset he minimum amount of solder and don't over heat the tags  :)

Where do you get them? I've only ever used proper CRL or Switchcraft 4-ways the same type that a standard (USA) guitar has (3 or 5-way, Tele / Strat etc).

Did you maybe buy a Japanese one? With plastic casing?