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Re: The Aftermath is released!
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2010, 04:54:20 PM »
The cleans are much better than one typically expects even from BK ceramics (which are typically better than 'normal' in my experience)

The top end leans toward smooth and organic rather than sharp and piercing. Theres rather a lot of it though; its a bright and middy pickup, unless in a dark/bassy guitar.

Which reminds me, as an aside, its the MOST variable BK with respect guitar *that I've used* (I've only used crawler and up in output, and only used the crawler in one guitar so it doesnt count for this).

I currently have it in 2 guitars (the legras), but have tried it in 4:

Both legras, acoustically, have quite a bit (but not an overbearing amount) of low end thats very tight, fat mids and lots and lots of attack in the top end (without the acutal magnitude of the top end being that large). They differ in sound, but are closer to each other than they are to pretty much anything else I've played.

Legra MDV602:
Swamp ash body, mahogany/maple/wanut/maple/mahogany neck, ebony board, schaller 456:
Huge, tight low end, lots of top end attack, thick low mids bias with the AM bridge.

Legra Aurora:
Dark Red Meranti/maple/walnut/maple/DRM through, DRM and maple laminate wings, schaller Hannes.
With the AM: Equally huge, and(/but) tight low end, slightly more top end attack, more mid bias than the 602

Jackson SLSMG
Mahgonay through, mahogany wings, ebony board.
Note the above two guitars are moderately similar acoustically, but here we've lost the maple and the swamp ash/swamp-ash-like top end of the DRM, and the guitar is acoustically very bassy with enough clarity in the top end to balance the weight of the low end.
With the AM; tight, thick grind with LOTS of low mids and enough top end to cut through easily, but nothing like the attack of the top from the legras. This guitar currently has a c-bomb in it that sounds thin by comparison, without having any greater clarity than the aftermath in it had. I'd really like to put an AM back in this, and will get round to it at some point; it was a great sound (but it worked better in the legras than the C-Bomb did).

Jackson DX1:
Maple neck, rosewood board, basswood body, Gotoh FR.
Acoustically much less low end and much more mid emphasis than the above three gutiars and theres the trem, of course...unsurprisingly...
With the AM; enough low end comes through to ballance out the rest of the spectrum, but its pretty light on the low end front, MASSIVE midgrange grind, lots of highs but much twangier rather than attacking (trem, see).

i.e. in all cases it let the gutiar sound like the guitar sounds like acoustically, filtered through its ultra-tight, aggressive, percussive character.

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Re: The Aftermath is released!
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2010, 05:08:26 PM »
The cleans are much better than one typically expects even from BK ceramics (which are typically better than 'normal' in my experience)

The top end leans toward smooth and organic rather than sharp and piercing. Theres rather a lot of it though; its a bright and middy pickup, unless in a dark/bassy guitar.

Which reminds me, as an aside, its the MOST variable BK with respect guitar *that I've used* (I've only used crawler and up in output, and only used the crawler in one guitar so it doesnt count for this).

I currently have it in 2 guitars (the legras), but have tried it in 4:

Both legras, acoustically, have quite a bit (but not an overbearing amount) of low end thats very tight, fat mids and lots and lots of attack in the top end (without the acutal magnitude of the top end being that large). They differ in sound, but are closer to each other than they are to pretty much anything else I've played.

Legra MDV602:
Swamp ash body, mahogany/maple/wanut/maple/mahogany neck, ebony board, schaller 456:
Huge, tight low end, lots of top end attack, thick low mids bias with the AM bridge.

Legra Aurora:
Dark Red Meranti/maple/walnut/maple/DRM through, DRM and maple laminate wings, schaller Hannes.
With the AM: Equally huge, and(/but) tight low end, slightly more top end attack, more mid bias than the 602

Jackson SLSMG
Mahgonay through, mahogany wings, ebony board.
Note the above two guitars are moderately similar acoustically, but here we've lost the maple and the swamp ash/swamp-ash-like top end of the DRM, and the guitar is acoustically very bassy with enough clarity in the top end to balance the weight of the low end.
With the AM; tight, thick grind with LOTS of low mids and enough top end to cut through easily, but nothing like the attack of the top from the legras. This guitar currently has a c-bomb in it that sounds thin by comparison, without having any greater clarity than the aftermath in it had. I'd really like to put an AM back in this, and will get round to it at some point; it was a great sound (but it worked better in the legras than the C-Bomb did).

Jackson DX1:
Maple neck, rosewood board, basswood body, Gotoh FR.
Acoustically much less low end and much more mid emphasis than the above three gutiars and theres the trem, of course...unsurprisingly...
With the AM; enough low end comes through to ballance out the rest of the spectrum, but its pretty light on the low end front, MASSIVE midgrange grind, lots of highs but much twangier rather than attacking (trem, see).

i.e. in all cases it let the gutiar sound like the guitar sounds like acoustically, filtered through its ultra-tight, aggressive, percussive character.

alright. not for me. thanks for the breakdown!

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Re: The Aftermath is released!
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2010, 06:30:03 PM »
I suspect that it may be another pickup that like the Nailbomb is absolutely brilliant for a huge number of people but isn't for me or my own playing choices

I would like to play it in a few of my own guitars and get a better perspective on it though
I may get some for my Feline Pantera which has a swamp-ash body and try it out there.

I can see why it works for players like Nolly, Misha, Antag and MDV  and wouldn't hesitate to suggest it to players who seek similar styles tonewise.
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2010, 06:52:49 PM »
This is VERY relevant to my interests.

so, how's it match the growl of a MM in Bb, and you say it's tighter?   

and how's the neck pickup sound like?

need something for the schecter loomis that i'm getting somewhere around chrismas ... so, it's either this or the MM/CS combo

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Re: The Aftermath is released!
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2010, 06:58:53 PM »
Match the growl?

It far exceeds the growl of a miracle man.

It thrives in low tunings. I play mine in drop B and c# standard, and have played them in C/drop A# with no trouble. It would do a really good job of nevermore too.

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Re: The Aftermath is released!
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2010, 07:24:18 PM »
that is what i wanted to hear :D

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Re: The Aftermath is released!
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2010, 07:32:29 PM »
Good good.

And one more thing, for the last time ;)

Its

The

TightEST

BK.

And therefore a very good candidate for tightest pickup outright, but I havent played the ALL so I cant say.

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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2010, 07:38:54 PM »
the manhattan is finally on there too!

And not one, but two, new Blackguard Tele sets (Flat '52 and '68 Stagger)!  I must admit I'm a bit overwhelmed by the choice of Tele pickups now....


 
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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2010, 07:40:22 PM »
Aftermath is a bit too scary for me, but it's exciting to see a brand new(ish!) model in the shop. 

The lead bit in your clip reminded me of Chris Poland, Nolly (hope that's not insulting, it's not meant to be!).
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Re: The Aftermath is released!
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2010, 07:55:37 PM »
Re. the new Tele sets, I think the idea is that the Blackguard series are strictly vintage-accurate so that owners of vintage instruments in need of replacement pickups can be sure that they're getting exactly the "right" pickup for the job. Of course, fans of a specific era Teles can get in on the action by dropping a set of authentic pickups in their modern instruments.
They've actually been available for a while but not publicly advertised, I believe.

As for how they sound compared with one another I'll admit to having very little clue. All I know is that the very first Broadcaster pickups were rather hot beasts, but that's the Flat '50 set that has been available for some time already.

Aftermath is a bit too scary for me, but it's exciting to see a brand new(ish!) model in the shop.  

The lead bit in your clip reminded me of Chris Poland, Nolly (hope that's not insulting, it's not meant to be!).

Not at all insulting, Chris Poland is a bit of a beast! It was intended to be more the lines of Marty Friedman, with a bit of Mike Ammott in there too..
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Re: The Aftermath is released!
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2010, 08:49:46 PM »
i cant't help myself being dangerously curious about the AM, even if i'm not a Painkiller fan and have the slight suspect that it falls in the same "dry and tight" category...

how do you think it could sound in a basswood Ibanez RG?
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Re: The Aftermath is released!
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2010, 08:59:17 PM »
i cant't help myself being dangerously curious about the AM, even if i'm not a Painkiller fan and have the slight suspect that it falls in the same "dry and tight" category...

how do you think it could sound in a basswood Ibanez RG?

It would likely be quite similar to how it was in my jackson; tight but not terribly great low end, lots of grinding mids, lots of top end attack.

If you dont like the 'dry and tight' thing then it might not be for you. Its very 'dry and tight'.

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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2010, 09:05:08 PM »
i cant't help myself being dangerously curious about the AM, even if i'm not a Painkiller fan and have the slight suspect that it falls in the same "dry and tight" category...

how do you think it could sound in a basswood Ibanez RG?

It would likely be quite similar to how it was in my jackson; tight but not terribly great low end, lots of grinding mids, lots of top end attack.

If you dont like the 'dry and tight' thing then it might not be for you. Its very 'dry and tight'.

not that i don't like tight pickups (even if they're generally tighter than my playing... :(), but what i don't like in bridge PK is the overall dryiness, it seems to cut every room between the amp and my ears. i remember you saying that the AM sounds much less dry and "direct" than the PK, some month ago...
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« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2010, 09:20:33 PM »
Its doesnt have the high mid spike that the PK does, which I find 'clicky' and 'stabby', while still having as much note definition in the top end.

I've never mentioned it being 'dry' or 'wet'; or its very unlikelyl they're words I normally reserve for amps (for whatever reason) and dont descrive pickups in those terms, but as I understand them I think you'd think its dry, and likley rather direct. Do you know where I said that? I may be able to explain myself if I see what I wrote.

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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2010, 09:33:19 PM »
Its doesnt have the high mid spike that the PK does, which I find 'clicky' and 'stabby', while still having as much note definition in the top end.

I've never mentioned it being 'dry' or 'wet'; or its very unlikelyl they're words I normally reserve for amps (for whatever reason) and dont descrive pickups in those terms, but as I understand them I think you'd think its dry, and likley rather direct. Do you know where I said that? I may be able to explain myself if I see what I wrote.

i believe it was in your NGD post about the aurora... i said that the PK sounded too "dry" (that's not a word i usually use for pickups but it's the best way to describe my impression of extremely direct "inyourfaceness" of the PK) and you answered that you could understand why i thought it and that the AM wasn't affected by the same problem.
sort of...
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