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Alex

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Re: Holy Diver vs. Crawler vs. Rebel Yell
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2011, 11:00:11 AM »
The whole tightness thing is all relative and depends on the amp, cab and maybe even pedals you have IMO. I find it often a bit easier to actually cut flab with the EQ of my amps than to dial in a bigger sound. The Holy Diver has a big sound. A LP + a HD would probably give you a huge sound.
For example I had various pickups in my Baritone before the HD; a lot of them were tighter than the HD, but the amp's EQ takes care of that easily. On the other hand there is no way I could've gotten that big sound out of some of the pickup's I had before.
From what I heard of Splawn amps I doubt you'd have too much of a problem doing the same.

So the chart above shouldn't be "LOOSEST" but "BIGGEST".
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Re: Holy Diver vs. Crawler vs. Rebel Yell
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2011, 03:35:37 PM »
I'd get warmer speakers, though

I'm thinking about one day getting the Scumback M75-LHDC / H75-LHDC 100w combo. They'reeeee pricey though. My friend who inspired me to get the Splawn plays the same speakers as me, but he uses different cabs. So far with the guitars and such I have bought I have not gotten close to his monster 80's tone, so I want to try to do that with this guitar. I'm thinking about also maybe getting Eminence Splawn Small Blocks (similar to Greenbacks) if the Scumback thing doesn't work out.

I spoke to Nick at The Axe Palace and he highly recommended Rebel Yells. They were Tim's 2nd or 3rd pick for me. Nick said the Holy Divers would be very dark in my guitar, and Tim seemed not to recommend the HD's for me. Tim's 1st pick was the Crawler... but everything I've read or heard about them seems to conflict with what I want.

My cab shipped out today :) :) :) As soon as I get it and test the water's with the current SD pups and the cab I'm going to order the Gold Ray Gun RY's :) :) :)

I have a pair of scumback H75's in my 1960A
they are not that much better than current production chinese G12H's, just a bit middier and fuller
I paid $160 for the pair, so was definitely worth it, but I wouldn't pay $180 a piece
the M75's seem to have some extra juice, though, but I didn't try those
weber silver bells could be interesting for your setup

my lp is quite dark sounding and still sounded fairly bright with the holy diver, which was just a bit darker than the aftermath, and brighter than the nailbomb, that had a stronger high end, but isn't brighter
it is not a dark sounding pickup at all, and you play a splawn, which is quite bright and focused

unless you're using some heavy downtuning, I'll keep the diver advice over the rebel yell
it's easier to make a big tone sound lean and tight than thickening it up and rounding the edges without getting overly compressed
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Re: Holy Diver vs. Crawler vs. Rebel Yell
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2011, 07:25:00 PM »
The whole tightness thing is all relative and depends on the amp, cab and maybe even pedals you have IMO.

I'd agree with this for sure. When I first tried my Nailbomb it was through a Blackstar HT amp and was insanely tight but with the same settings through my Marshall the sound was much fuller. I can't see how a Rebel Yell will get you closer to the tones you mentioned than a Holydiver but clearly others here have far more experience of these pickups than me so I'd listen to them.
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Re: Holy Diver vs. Crawler vs. Rebel Yell
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2011, 11:45:18 PM »
I think Eric made a good point. We're talking here about guitars and pickups, but amp and cab or combo have a big influence on tone and tightness.
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Re: Holy Diver vs. Crawler vs. Rebel Yell
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2011, 05:14:46 AM »
shite, these are crazy hard decisions. I'm literally going to be ready to order no later than probably Wednesday...

It's the RY vs. the HD

I see that the HD is one of the highest output BKP's on the market. Does it have that sound of being high-output, or does it react more like a thick aggressive mid-output pup?

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Re: Holy Diver vs. Crawler vs. Rebel Yell
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2011, 06:21:48 AM »
For what you play I think it would be the one of choice! however as I said I have no experience of the RYs

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Re: Holy Diver vs. Crawler vs. Rebel Yell
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2011, 10:43:19 AM »
shitee, these are crazy hard decisions. I'm literally going to be ready to order no later than probably Wednesday...

It's the RY vs. the HD

I see that the HD is one of the highest output BKP's on the market. Does it have that sound of being high-output, or does it react more like a thick aggressive mid-output pup?

dc-resistance is not the direct equivalent for output.
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Re: Holy Diver vs. Crawler vs. Rebel Yell
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2011, 11:17:20 AM »
shiteee, these are crazy hard decisions. I'm literally going to be ready to order no later than probably Wednesday...

It's the RY vs. the HD

I see that the HD is one of the highest output BKP's on the market. Does it have that sound of being high-output, or does it react more like a thick aggressive mid-output pup?

dc-resistance is not the direct equivalent for output.

Ummmmmmm, hence my question dude...

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Re: Holy Diver vs. Crawler vs. Rebel Yell
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2011, 03:31:14 PM »
the nailbomb feels a lot higher output than the holy diver

the diver is quite aggressive, but I'd say it's mid-high output
a bit less than the cold sweat
it is thick, but not some sort of fat and friendly dull pickup
it shows some teeth

http://www.netmusicians.org/files/67-Jose%20%236%202-27.mp3
http://www.netmusicians.org/files/92-VH4%2012-22.mp3
http://www.netmusicians.org/files/23-Revelation.mp3
http://www.netmusicians.org/files/50-ampwhore%2Belmwoodm90.mp3

edit: clips were recorded by the user J.B. with the Diver in a Les Paul Custom
1 - cameron jose marshall
2 - diezel VH4
3 - cameron marshall (aldrich?)
4 - elmwood M90

he has some suhr aldrich clips on netmusicians for comparison
« Last Edit: April 24, 2011, 05:58:25 PM by Eric Hellstyle »
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Re: Holy Diver vs. Crawler vs. Rebel Yell
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2011, 05:07:12 PM »
Only the first link works for me but damn, what a gread sound!

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Re: Holy Diver vs. Crawler vs. Rebel Yell
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2011, 07:00:30 PM »
shiteeee, these are crazy hard decisions. I'm literally going to be ready to order no later than probably Wednesday...

It's the RY vs. the HD

I see that the HD is one of the highest output BKP's on the market. Does it have that sound of being high-output, or does it react more like a thick aggressive mid-output pup?

dc-resistance is not the direct equivalent for output.

Ummmmmmm, hence my question dude...

Eric explained that well. He had/has them both and can advice you better.
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Re: Holy Diver vs. Crawler vs. Rebel Yell
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2011, 08:04:37 PM »
didn't have the rebel yell  :(
my main LP ('73 pancake body lp custom) had nailbombs, cold sweats, neck mule, aftermath, holy diver, black dog and a... motor city pickups set

somebody call gwEm  :lol:
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Re: Holy Diver vs. Crawler vs. Rebel Yell
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2011, 11:20:45 PM »
I meant HD and NB.
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