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darthphineas

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Re: BKP Juggernauts ?
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2013, 08:17:06 PM »
I'd have to suggest that playing style really isn't my cup of earl grey, but there's more than one way to skin a cat. 

and while I understand that a business can have a lot on it's plate just getting things made and shipped, I will be looking forward to when pickup companies can offer an apples-to-apples sound comparison of the models available... i.e., using the different pickups in the same guitar, playing the same thing through the same rig.  or... the same pickup in different guitars, playing the same thing through the same rig.  or... a combination of all that.

it'd be a bit clinical and not the most exciting thing to produce.  but it could represent the product better than end users using an iPhone to upload to youtube.  as affordable as interfaces and DAWs are getting, it's a marvel at times as to how all these tech savvy guys aren't taking their home demos to the next level of quality.  however...that's just me waxing/waning on about a bunch of what-ifs.  lol!

I do like seeing names like Juggernaut on the BKP models.  it falls in line with they way all the models are named.  when another company that is more into vintage and traditional rock tones starts to get into names based on D&D sort of stuff they are calling their new line of djent stuff, it's a little out of place.

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Re: BKP Juggernauts ?
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2013, 08:58:06 PM »
God djenty riffs are really annoying its hard to figure out how any thing sounds in terms of proper metal.  Misha gets some nice clean tones, lead tones and is a cool lead player but every clip I hear of his rythm playing sounds awful id rather hear some beginner messing up some riffs.

When premier guitar did the monsters of hi gain he made every top quality amp sound the exact same i.e poor.  Thank God they got Ola Englund to take over.  Djent riffs are even more annoying and predictable that the dark days of nu metal and thats saying some thing!

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Re: BKP Juggernauts ?
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2013, 12:03:40 AM »
I'd have to suggest that playing style really isn't my cup of earl grey, but there's more than one way to skin a cat. 

and while I understand that a business can have a lot on it's plate just getting things made and shipped, I will be looking forward to when pickup companies can offer an apples-to-apples sound comparison of the models available... i.e., using the different pickups in the same guitar, playing the same thing through the same rig.  or... the same pickup in different guitars, playing the same thing through the same rig.  or... a combination of all that.

it'd be a bit clinical and not the most exciting thing to produce.  but it could represent the product better than end users using an iPhone to upload to youtube.  as affordable as interfaces and DAWs are getting, it's a marvel at times as to how all these tech savvy guys aren't taking their home demos to the next level of quality.  however...that's just me waxing/waning on about a bunch of what-ifs.  lol!

I do like seeing names like Juggernaut on the BKP models.  it falls in line with they way all the models are named.  when another company that is more into vintage and traditional rock tones starts to get into names based on D&D sort of stuff they are calling their new line of djent stuff, it's a little out of place.

I think that's how all the clips were done back in the old days with a JCM800 I believe.

It's not really aimed at players like me I don't think, but I am still vaguely interested in the Blackhawk but until I managed to try Jimmy Moorbys, all I'd ever heard of them was through axe FX and other modellers playing music I don't like the sound of. This is just another 1 of those pickups to me  :lol:

I be they'll sell loads of them though!  8)
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Re: BKP Juggernauts ?
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2013, 12:55:53 AM »
This BKP aims at a specific category of players. I'm not one of them, but I expect there's a good market for it.
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Re: BKP Juggernauts ?
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2013, 11:55:47 AM »
While most of us here are a bit too old school to be in the aim of this PU we will might really like it in the end, lets not discount it quite yet.
There is often that versatility to BKPs. Painkiller was originally meant as Judas Priest sound after all, but most use it for Djent. The Warpig is a big mean metal machine and yet the neck delivers nice jazz tones...
So let us not discount the PU yet...plus we have not heard the neck yet, could be something cool for us to pair with the Abomb and MM in the end.
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Re: BKP Juggernauts ?
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2013, 04:21:54 PM »
the way i see it, the more pickups to choose from, the better.
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Re: BKP Juggernauts ?
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2013, 08:48:48 PM »
I think people will be pleasantly surprised at the voicing and versatility of these pickups - they're not a one-trick "djent" pony by any means and if anything are fatter and smoother than the models Misha has used in the past. They're my favourite contemporary pickup set to date; during the prototyping and testing process Misha and I were in agreement the whole time - despite our playing styles and tones being very different, the pickup delivered exactly what we each wanted. I look forward to hearing people's thoughts once get a chance to try them for themselves :)

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Re: BKP Juggernauts ?
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2013, 08:58:38 PM »
sounds cool nolly. once people try them a bit more and show them off in some different styles and setups we'll definitely get a better idea of how they sound.
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Re: BKP Juggernauts ?
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2013, 09:00:50 PM »
I'm sure that will be the case. Bear in mind Misha is playing through an iPad in that video  :lol:

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Re: BKP Juggernauts ?
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2013, 09:02:54 PM »
the jackson he's using looks awesome. been a loooong time since i've used a jackson. maybe i should buy one... or five.
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Re: BKP Juggernauts ?
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2013, 09:15:45 PM »
So it (I assume you are talking bridge here) is darker and smoother than the AM. Like that direction.
Does it retain the dryness of the AM or is it juicier? Where are the mids focused? Is it as centered as the AM or is there a shift towards the low mids?

What kind of magnets and wire?

So many questions and I fear you are not really at liberty to help me out much with them xD

Really I am eating up any little piece of info you can give us =)
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Re: BKP Juggernauts ?
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2013, 09:26:35 PM »
Yes, smoother and more low-mid focussed than the Aftermath. The design brief was to marry the best tonal attributes of AV and Ceramic magnets in a single pickup so the result would be extremely tight but with a smooth and rich character that doesn't thin out on the unwound strings. I'll let Tim be the first to offer up a proper description and spec when the product page goes live in the very near future.

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Re: BKP Juggernauts ?
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2013, 09:36:46 PM »
Well the idea sounds pretty awesome. A smooth richness and fullnes on the high strings I get from my Crawler, but tight enough for metal...
If it pans out the way I think it can these are gonna be extremly cool.

Canīt wait for the release!

From what I know about it so far it sure sounds like it might be a hot contender for PUs to put into a baritone tuned to drop A# playing In Flames. Donīt wanne imitate their sound but get in the ballpark, then add my own preferences.

Now I just gotta buy a baritone and see what these PUs are like...and then there is still the issue of getting a Feline for my 10th PUs made. Sh*t, why are there so many cool pickups and sounds...

Got AMs sitting around (bridge did not work in a LP where a Stockholm now rules) for that, but these might be the thing.
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Re: BKP Juggernauts ?
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2013, 09:56:44 PM »
I think that's how all the clips were done back in the old days with a JCM800 I believe.

at least one company went with the JCM800 50w for dirty and a Fender Super Reverb for cleans.  these days, you can do it with modeling on a computer or an iPad, which is awesome.  as long as there is a baseline for comparison, I don't see where it matters  if it's a real amp or a sim.


it will be interesting to learn more about this model.  it's easy to get distracted by a name or a sample.  hearing that it's a little more versatile has me curious.

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Re: BKP Juggernauts ?
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2013, 11:45:04 PM »
I think that's how all the clips were done back in the old days with a JCM800 I believe.
, I don't see where it matters  if it's a real amp or a sim.




The fact that modellers react extremely differently to the actual amps they're modelling.

Say run a mule through an axe fx modelling a soldano SLO and it will be tight and have a lot more attack in the midrange whilst with an SLO it wont be that tight or peaky.

Ideally companies need to have clips both with amps and modellers that will it will show how it reacts both ways which will cover the entire customer base.

Misha has posted a lot of info about this on the MG forum tonewise and broke it down in a little more detail than Nolly did above.

I'm kinda interested because I like new things but i fear once again it's just going to be too modern and processed sounding like the last few offerings for my personal playing style.
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