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Re: Bare Knuckles Boot Camp ???
« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2018, 06:46:27 PM »
I must admit I'm quite interested in these.

I'm probably gonna try out a bridge Old Guard P90 in my Feline DC, and a nickel covered set of Old Guard humbuckers in one of my Les Pauls (the Stormies in there will probs go to my Explorer).

I'm not too worried I don't have some of the info I can get on the standard range... what I do know is Old Guard is "vintage" with AII magnets... and they're full-fat BKPs... that's actually all the info I personally need for choosing p90s and humbuckers at the moment. I would prefer it if the humbuckers had a 2-conductor option, but that's OK, I understand why they haven't, and I can cope with the 4-conductor.

I probably won't be trying the strat sets and tele sets because I prefer vintage stagger on strats ... and I've got more BKP tele sets than teles I like at the moment!

And that's exactly the kind of simplified choice that the Boot Camp range is designed to facilitate! You'll love them, I'm sure!

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Re: Bare Knuckles Boot Camp ???
« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2018, 06:58:08 PM »
I can't believe there is no info that we need on the pups!!!!!

What is the EQ of each one?????

What magnet is in each of them????

Perhaps not as much detail as you might want but as far as the humbuckers go:

OG - great classic tone, the openness and softness you expect from lower-wind pickups with AII mags, with a bit more midrange emphasis than you'd get from the Stormies. (To be clear, this is not first-hand experience, it is extrapolation from what I've heard about and would expect from the spec)
TG - Lovely overwound voicing that retains tightness in the lows, vocal midrange, and smooth top end. More clarity and bounce than you get with a high output pickup, but no unpleasant twanginess when gained up either (like some vintage pickups).
BF - Hot pickups with surprising clarity and liquidy feel (most people do not expect to be told they are ceramic after trying them). Solid mids and, again, tight low end. (Once more, this is second-hand information).

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Re: Bare Knuckles Boot Camp ???
« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2018, 08:36:46 AM »
I posted this in another thread, but thought it would make sense to post it here as well.

I measured the True Grits and got this:

Bridge: 13.0 kΩ
Neck: 9.2 kΩ

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Re: Bare Knuckles Boot Camp ???
« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2018, 10:40:42 AM »
OG - great classic tone, the openness and softness you expect from lower-wind pickups with AII mags, with a bit more midrange emphasis than you'd get from the Stormies. (To be clear, this is not first-hand experience, it is extrapolation from what I've heard about and would expect from the spec)

I now have first hand experience of these, and I would whole-heartedly concur sir! :smiley:

More waffle from me about them:

https://forum.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/index.php?topic=35201.0

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Re: Bare Knuckles Boot Camp ???
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2018, 01:46:12 PM »
I don't think I'm the right target for the boot camp line. I'm way too guitar nerdy for this.

Plus they're only like 10 lbs less than the regular BKPs.

I'm certainly going to customize my pickup and get it exactly how I want it for few bucks more.

It's a firm pass for me.

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Re: Bare Knuckles Boot Camp ???
« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2018, 12:56:17 PM »
I can't believe there is no info that we need on the pups!!!!!

What is the EQ of each one?????

What magnet is in each of them????

Perhaps not as much detail as you might want but as far as the humbuckers go:

OG - great classic tone, the openness and softness you expect from lower-wind pickups with AII mags, with a bit more midrange emphasis than you'd get from the Stormies. (To be clear, this is not first-hand experience, it is extrapolation from what I've heard about and would expect from the spec)
TG - Lovely overwound voicing that retains tightness in the lows, vocal midrange, and smooth top end. More clarity and bounce than you get with a high output pickup, but no unpleasant twanginess when gained up either (like some vintage pickups).
BF - Hot pickups with surprising clarity and liquidy feel (most people do not expect to be told they are ceramic after trying them). Solid mids and, again, tight low end. (Once more, this is second-hand information).

Good post Nolly. I'm now kind of interested by all three of the humbuckers to be honest!

Probably not the other types though, I feel like the normal range will be more for me there.
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Re: Bare Knuckles Boot Camp ???
« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2018, 09:09:34 AM »
I posted this in another thread, but thought it would make sense to post it here as well.

I measured the True Grits and got this:

Bridge: 13.0 kΩ
Neck: 9.2 kΩ

Of course this is speculation but these measurements make me think that 43AWG plain enamel wire is used on them. There is no way to fit 13k of 42AWG wire on a standard sized humbucking coil, and a 9.2k 42AWG pickup in the neck would certainly overpower the bridge in this set. All in all, the bridge appears to be quite close to the Emerald specs, probably voiced to be a bit less bright.

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Re: Bare Knuckles Boot Camp ???
« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2018, 10:21:17 AM »
I don't understand why they're cheaper.
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Re: Bare Knuckles Boot Camp ???
« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2018, 11:44:50 AM »
I don't understand why they're cheaper.

I believe it's because they don't have the over-heads of supporting so many options. I got a set last week, haven't got my "usual" choices over some stuff that is variable in the standard range (braided 2 core instead of 4 connector, long-leg instead of short, unpotted instead of potted).

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Re: Bare Knuckles Boot Camp ???
« Reply #54 on: March 10, 2018, 01:31:04 AM »
I don't understand why they're cheaper.

They're not really "cheaper"
They cost as much as the others costed not long ago
Difference is that have standardized specs and are sold only through retailers
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Re: Bare Knuckles Boot Camp ???
« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2018, 10:42:03 AM »
I posted this in another thread, but thought it would make sense to post it here as well.

I measured the True Grits and got this:

Bridge: 13.0 kΩ
Neck: 9.2 kΩ

Of course this is speculation but these measurements make me think that 43AWG plain enamel wire is used on them. There is no way to fit 13k of 42AWG wire on a standard sized humbucking coil, and a 9.2k 42AWG pickup in the neck would certainly overpower the bridge in this set. All in all, the bridge appears to be quite close to the Emerald specs, probably voiced to be a bit less bright.

Cheers Stephan
I just needed fuller sounding and less bright A5 pickups than the Emerald but with similar output. I was looking into Duncan brobucker, now I think I will go for this.  So it is not  just affordable new line they came up with.  It seems these will have less eccentric characters than Emerald, Blackdog etc, so easier to pick and use.  My Blackdogs are waiting for their right guitar to arrive at some point, I can only fantasize about it for now.  I could get the whole Bare Knuckle line but I would then need to pick right guitars for each.

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Re: Bare Knuckles Boot Camp ???
« Reply #56 on: April 10, 2018, 01:12:34 PM »
Sorry I didn't mean to be rude not responding the Abraxas suggestion.  I couldn't log on for a while for some reason. I recently began thinking I am not an A4 person, otherwise Abraxas fits the bill on paper, I have one bridge model.
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