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RobAbrams84

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Re: Pickup recommendations for Mayones Regius
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2020, 07:39:23 AM »

Diver is a good choice as well. Let us know if you're satisfied.

Will do, though I think it'll be a month or so before they arrive.

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Re: Pickup recommendations for Mayones Regius
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2020, 04:09:51 PM »
I think the Diver was a good choice too. It has some similarities with a JB construction-wise but some important differences (lessened wind, coil offset, scatter-winding and BKP-spec magnet/metalwork) that add up to a noticeably more open top end, less nasal mid focus and a more dynamic response too, which I believe are the aspects of the JB that you identify as "blunt" in your original post.

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Re: Pickup recommendations for Mayones Regius
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2020, 08:20:55 AM »
Thanks for the input Nolly, and I hope that they arrive in another week or so; I can't wait! 

As an aside, I messed around with a bunch of speaker swapping in my cabs, and I'm liking the Nailbomb bridge and Emerald Neck better--individually though, not in the same guitar.  With a 4x12" of mixed Vintage 30s and G12H-75s, I'm really liking the aggression of the Nailbomb a lot more than I had previously.  It doesn't seem quite as versatile as I'd like, though.  And in an old Blackface Pro Reverb that I put two Neo Creambacks in, I'm finally LOVING the Emerald with the bright switch turned on.  Previously I'd always felt that the Emerald was too warm, but now it's just thick and wonderful; the bright switch really awakens it in that setup. 

Anyhow I'm still eagerly awaiting the Holydivers and will report back when I've had some time with them.
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Re: Pickup recommendations for Mayones Regius
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2020, 11:32:02 PM »
Well, the Holydiver set finally came yesterday and I carved out some time today to install them.  With family stuff and holiday prep I only had about 20 minutes of moderate volume to play them with (all clean into an old Blackface Fender of all amps), but so far I really think that I made the right choice!  I don't think that I'll be changing these, unless they handle gain in a way that I don't like (which I don't foresee happening).

I went ahead and swapped the Emerald neck out as well, I wanted to try the calibrated set, despite how many people rave about the Holydiver/Emerald combo.  Just clean at least, I think that I prefer the Holydiver.  It's more open sounding and brighter, and not at all thin to me as I've heard some people say.  I don't know how it would respond to a cranked up tube amp playing blues rock yet, but so far I think that I like it more than the Emerald.  It really sounds much better than I had anticipated clean.

I feel the same way about the bridge: it sounds much better clean than I'd expected.  I like it the most by far compared to the True Grit and Nailbomb that I had tried previously.  It has a lot more of an open high end than I was expecting; it will probably compress more with gain, but so far I'm getting exactly what I wanted out of this set.  I get a really usable, great sound in all three positions (neck, both, and bridge pickups) without feeling like I have to EQ the amp again or fiddle with the tone knob.  It's all right where I want it now!

So that this isn't all praise, I'll add that the Emerald neck and True Grit bridge both had better coil tapped single coil sounds.  That's a slight bummer, but definitely secondary to the full humbuckers for my needs.

I'll mess around with more volume and gain this week, I'm sure (I have a Mesa Triple Crown for the harder rock and progressive metal stuff), but so far I'm extremely pleased.  Thanks for the help everyone!


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Re: Pickup recommendations for Mayones Regius
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2020, 02:52:58 PM »
Well, the Holydiver set finally came yesterday and I carved out some time today to install them.  With family stuff and holiday prep I only had about 20 minutes of moderate volume to play them with (all clean into an old Blackface Fender of all amps), but so far I really think that I made the right choice!  I don't think that I'll be changing these, unless they handle gain in a way that I don't like (which I don't foresee happening).

I went ahead and swapped the Emerald neck out as well, I wanted to try the calibrated set, despite how many people rave about the Holydiver/Emerald combo.  Just clean at least, I think that I prefer the Holydiver.  It's more open sounding and brighter, and not at all thin to me as I've heard some people say.  I don't know how it would respond to a cranked up tube amp playing blues rock yet, but so far I think that I like it more than the Emerald.  It really sounds much better than I had anticipated clean.

I feel the same way about the bridge: it sounds much better clean than I'd expected.  I like it the most by far compared to the True Grit and Nailbomb that I had tried previously.  It has a lot more of an open high end than I was expecting; it will probably compress more with gain, but so far I'm getting exactly what I wanted out of this set.  I get a really usable, great sound in all three positions (neck, both, and bridge pickups) without feeling like I have to EQ the amp again or fiddle with the tone knob.  It's all right where I want it now!

So that this isn't all praise, I'll add that the Emerald neck and True Grit bridge both had better coil tapped single coil sounds.  That's a slight bummer, but definitely secondary to the full humbuckers for my needs.

I'll mess around with more volume and gain this week, I'm sure (I have a Mesa Triple Crown for the harder rock and progressive metal stuff), but so far I'm extremely pleased.  Thanks for the help everyone!





I'm very glad to hear you're getting on well with the Holy Divers!
It's interesting how certain neck pickups get somewhat fetishised as a result of some people praising them publicly, resulting in others getting under-represented or overshadowed. I've certainly been part of this in the past (I even had a guitar with a Holy Diver/Emerald combination too!), but these days I'm most likely to choose and recommend the calibrated sets. Really, all of the neck pickups in the range sound amazing in their own way and have been carefully designed to complement their bridge models in vibe and output (and also to make sure they have a flattering sound when used simultaneously in a middle position), so unless there's a need for an unusual range of tones to be covered they are almost always considering as the primary option.

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Re: Pickup recommendations for Mayones Regius
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2020, 07:30:15 PM »
I'm very glad to hear you're getting on well with the Holy Divers!
It's interesting how certain neck pickups get somewhat fetishised as a result of some people praising them publicly, resulting in others getting under-represented or overshadowed. I've certainly been part of this in the past (I even had a guitar with a Holy Diver/Emerald combination too!), but these days I'm most likely to choose and recommend the calibrated sets. Really, all of the neck pickups in the range sound amazing in their own way and have been carefully designed to complement their bridge models in vibe and output (and also to make sure they have a flattering sound when used simultaneously in a middle position), so unless there's a need for an unusual range of tones to be covered they are almost always considering as the primary option.

A lot of it comes down to how difficult it is to describe what we want in words, I think.  Thick, tight, warm, soft, bright, shrill, aggressive, cutting, loose, etc, mean different things to different people, and then there are lots of variables to do with amps and effects and recording technique as well.  It's not surprising that certain pickups or combinations would become fetishized based on various posts on forums, or particularly well-recorded examples and that kind of thing. 

So anyhow I was lucky enough to get a couple of hours home alone yesterday, and I cranked up the Mesa as well as ran some pedals through some other amps.  The ultimate test for me is how they play with a band, but we're on a bit of a hiatus with COVID.  Still, I REALLY like these pickups so far.  The neck is thicker than I was lead to believe and handles gain well; it doesn't sound all that bright to me, frankly, though perhaps it is compared to other BKP neck pickups (certainly brighter than the Emerald).  It just seems very, very well balanced from top to bottom.  The bridge also handled gain very well, and notes sound pretty "weighty" with gain.  Again, the EQ sounds very balanced from top to bottom to me, at least in this guitar.  There are more highs than I thought there would be, without the level of aggression of the Nailbomb.  The Nailbomb cut very well in a band and I'm not sure how these will, but I don't really foresee a problem. 

I actually don't get the Holydiver to JB comparison that much, honestly.  I don't have much experience with JBs (because I don't like them), but the Holydivers definitely have more going on in the low end without sounding loose to me.  They just seem to have an overall more smooth spread of the EQ, whereas most JBs have kind of a mid or upper-mid hump that I feel sounds "blunt," for lack of a better word.  Like I'm being bludgeoned with only that particular frequency range.  The Holydiver is definitely a bit smooth/roller off in the highs compared to some bridge pickups, but not that much.  I really don't feel like I'm missing any particular frequency range and also that I'm not overly focused on a particular frequency range, either. 

I'm mostly writing all of this to potentially help someone in the future, as I found a lot of these threads using Google.

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Re: Pickup recommendations for Mayones Regius
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2021, 07:01:29 PM »
I'm just curious: what BKP set would have essentially the same tone (Bass/Mids/Treble/Presence, etc) as the Holydiver set, but be slightly lower output and less compressed?  I'm guessing Black Dogs or Abraxas.  Further down the output range to the Vintage sections, would the Mules be the most similar to the Holydiver in terms of B/M/T balance? 

Thanks guys, I'm just wondering in terms of possible future purchase for other guitars.  I really LOVE the overall balance of the Holydivers!

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Re: Pickup recommendations for Mayones Regius
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2021, 07:04:48 PM »
The diver is mid rangy in the center mids, just like the Abraxas, but the Abraxas is more classic rockand lower output.

The Mule being vintage output is very nicely balanced in the B/M/T side of things.
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Re: Pickup recommendations for Mayones Regius
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2021, 01:39:05 PM »
I'm just curious: what BKP set would have essentially the same tone (Bass/Mids/Treble/Presence, etc) as the Holydiver set, but be slightly lower output and less compressed?  I'm guessing Black Dogs or Abraxas.  Further down the output range to the Vintage sections, would the Mules be the most similar to the Holydiver in terms of B/M/T balance? 

Thanks guys, I'm just wondering in terms of possible future purchase for other guitars.  I really LOVE the overall balance of the Holydivers!

black dog has a very similar curve and dense midrange texture, but a lot less compression (I've done a straight swap in my '73 lp custom)
I find the bridge black dog to sound and feel much closer to a holy diver than to a vhii, mule or riff raff
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Re: Pickup recommendations for Mayones Regius
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2021, 10:01:34 AM »
Maybe I am wrong, but imo the True Grit sounds a little like a tamer Nailbomb.

That is very interesting. I have seen the True Grit bridge humbucker described as a bigger brother of the Black Dog bridge - a hot PAF tone but with the output of a medium power pickup. I have one coming but as it will be going in a guitar where no other BKP ever was in the bridge spot I will not be able to provide a comparison.

Cheers Stephan

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Re: Pickup recommendations for Mayones Regius
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2021, 03:18:11 AM »
Maybe I am wrong, but imo the True Grit sounds a little like a tamer Nailbomb.

That is very interesting. I have seen the True Grit bridge humbucker described as a bigger brother of the Black Dog bridge - a hot PAF tone but with the output of a medium power pickup. I have one coming but as it will be going in a guitar where no other BKP ever was in the bridge spot I will not be able to provide a comparison.

Cheers Stephan

I does have some resemblance with the black dog midrange texture, but it's about as hot as a holy diver, just not as mid centric as those
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Re: Pickup recommendations for Mayones Regius
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2021, 09:54:46 PM »
In the BKP range the True Grit bridge is closest to the Emerald, though it is noticeably hotter wound than the Emerald and therefore has a lower resonant peak with more low end extension. The TG does have some crucial spec differences beyond the wind though, so it's not just a "hotter Emerald".

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Re: Pickup recommendations for Mayones Regius
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2021, 08:02:04 AM »
Maybe I am wrong, but imo the True Grit sounds a little like a tamer Nailbomb.

That is very interesting. I have seen the True Grit bridge humbucker described as a bigger brother of the Black Dog bridge - a hot PAF tone but with the output of a medium power pickup. I have one coming but as it will be going in a guitar where no other BKP ever was in the bridge spot I will not be able to provide a comparison.

Cheers Stephan

I does have some resemblance with the black dog midrange texture, but it's about as hot as a holy diver, just not as mid centric as those

Now that it is here and in the guitar, I must say Eric you nailed it with your description. Great pickup!

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Re: Pickup recommendations for Mayones Regius
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2021, 08:03:05 AM »
In the BKP range the True Grit bridge is closest to the Emerald, though it is noticeably hotter wound than the Emerald and therefore has a lower resonant peak with more low end extension. The TG does have some crucial spec differences beyond the wind though, so it's not just a "hotter Emerald".

Many thanks Nolly for this information.

Cheers Stephan

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Re: Pickup recommendations for Mayones Regius
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2021, 05:40:37 PM »
In the BKP range the True Grit bridge is closest to the Emerald, though it is noticeably hotter wound than the Emerald and therefore has a lower resonant peak with more low end extension. The TG does have some crucial spec differences beyond the wind though, so it's not just a "hotter Emerald".

It's interesting that you say this, because Tim originally recommended the True Grit or Emeralds for me.  I might have been completely happy with the True Grits if I had bought them with covers (or if they had been available in raw nickel, I love that look).  But possibly not; one of the problems of having all of these models to choose from is that you always want to try others! 

I finally played with a full band last weekend; it's been hard since COVID-19 as our bass player moved far away due to economics, and our drummer is on a hiatus as his economic situation has changed a lot as well.  The Holydivers held up very well and I'm overall very happy with them.  Still, I'm considering putting the Emerald neck pickup back in.  I'm worried that it might be too dark for me and this guitar, as my original plan with the Holydivers was having a warmer bridge pickup and brighter neck pickup, so that I didn't need to keep fiddling with the tone knob when I changed between positions, but I'm finding myself missing the "weight" of that neck pickup.  I don't think that I want to try an Emerald bridge, as from sound clips it seems like it's lacking too much bass.  I sold my Nailbomb bridge; it was just too much for me, though I can see why so many people love it.

Anyhow to sum up, I'm really loving the overall EQ/balance of the Holydivers, though perhaps I could have gone with less output/less compressed pickups.  I'm used to PAF types, after all, and the True Grits retained a lot of the PAF flavor despite being pretty high output.  Still, it's nice having a more different type of sound out of this guitar than my others.

As an aside, let me just share this video here, I absolutely LOVE this riff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNJlp73sew0

My set of True Grits took a while to dial in (height and pole piece adjustment), but they sounded very much like that to me.  If anyone is reading this thread, my first recommendation for a Mayones Regius might be a set of True Grits, actually.  My only real complaints about mine was that 1) I bought them uncovered (my fault), and 2)I kept wanting to turn the bridge tone knob down halfway. 
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