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Title: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: Ale84 on May 05, 2021, 09:22:01 AM
Hi,
I want to change the pickups in my leas paul traditional. At present i have a set of classic 57 but i donít like them. The big problem is the bridge: no body, annoying highs, no definition. The other les paul with p90 nuntucket sounds much better and bigger also under heavy gain from my slo 100.
Basically i want something to play Aic, Silverchair, helmet, pearl jam so 90ís heavy sounds. I want something with more body/weight that excels at drop d riffs, clarity under heavy gain, fast attack.
What do you suggest?
Thanks
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: Dave Sloven on May 05, 2021, 09:38:43 AM
Sounds like a job for the alnico Nailbomb
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: Ale84 on May 05, 2021, 01:17:05 PM
The Nailbomb? Isnít it a metal pickup?
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: ericsabbath on May 05, 2021, 06:26:56 PM
true grit, holy diver, alnico nailbomb
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: RobAbrams84 on May 05, 2021, 08:18:00 PM
I'd probably go True Grit, possibly Black Dogs (admittedly the BD is the only Vintage Hot pickup that I have not tried).  Les Pauls are  my #1 favorite guitars, and this is my favorite genre of music.  In my experience you don't need the level of output and aggression that the Nailbombs give you, but if you generally like higher output pickups like a JB, then they're probably a good choice.  Lots of people talk about how versatile the Alnico Nailbomb is, but it was very much a 90's + 2000's aggressive metal pickup to me when I tried one for a few months.
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: Telerocker on May 06, 2021, 01:07:51 AM
I'd go Diver here. I'm afraid you will dislike the hairy agressive high mid sizzling NB. Other contenders would be the Abraxas and maybe a True Grit.
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: Dave Sloven on May 06, 2021, 10:39:23 AM
Black Dog was the other one I considered suggesting
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: Ale84 on May 06, 2021, 04:25:35 PM
Ben from bareknuckle suggests hd or ry. . Iím intrigued by the nailbombbut probably the best would be th HD. Iím just afraid it would be too bassy or dark in a Les paul
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: darrenw5094 on May 07, 2021, 01:22:25 PM
The RY is an underwound Nailbomb.
I have never tried a HD in a les paul for the same reason as you.
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: ericsabbath on May 07, 2021, 02:33:03 PM
Ben from bareknuckle suggests hd or ry. . Iím intrigued by the nailbombbut probably the best would be th HD. Iím just afraid it would be too bassy or dark in a Les paul

the holy diver isn't a bassy pickup
it's quite middy and has a rounded top, so people tend to confuse its darker top end fame with too much low end
my absolute favorite for classic Facelift/Dirt Alice In Chains

the rebel yell is brighter, tighter, treblier and more open sounding, but actually feels hotter than the holy diver
it's my general favorite in my les paul custom, but it has more of an early 80's sort of upper mid focus and some early van halen rewound paf thing
it doesn't sound exactly like any other pup, but it has a very strong character
I tend to relate it to the riff raff it replaced, but pushed with a tube screamer, so it's quite upper mid heavy and more compressed in comparison

the nailbomb is a beast, but can be tamed
it has similar specs, but feels quite different from the rebel yell
thicker, less upper mid heavy and definitely louder and more aggressive
it does work really well for classic Helmet and 2010's Alice In Chains (the last couple albums and the live tones)

the black dog is another quite unique sounding pickup
it has this honky crunchy mids that reminds me of the holy diver, but without the compression, so it's a more articulate pickup
it does not sound like a mule at all, in my experience, but a different animal
I remember liking it a lot for Soundgarden-style riffs, when you want those opaque but dominating crunchy thick mids, but you don't necessarily need a lot of sustain

I'd say the true grit is the most versatile of the bunch, followed by the holy diver
it does remind me of most 90's stuff cause they are voiced to be like really versatile medium hot stock models from the big brands, so I can hear something in common with the gibson 498t, PRS dragon 2, duncan custom, some EVH model, but with the usual BKP clarity and punchy picking response, unlike these
it sits right between the black dog and holy diver, but it's more balanced in the frequencies than both (not as mid focused)
taking Alice In Chains as a reference again, this would be my Tripod/Black Gives Way To Blue pickup
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: Ale84 on May 07, 2021, 02:46:14 PM
Which is in your opinion an humbucker with growling mids like the nuntucket/ like a p90?
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: ericsabbath on May 07, 2021, 08:46:34 PM
Which is in your opinion an humbucker with growling mids like the nuntucket/ like a p90?

all of those are pretty middy
the holy diver is the fattest in the midrange
silo if you want more body in the low end

you could consider the stockholm too
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: RobAbrams84 on May 07, 2021, 09:26:14 PM
I love the Holydiver in the bridge of my Mayones, but I would get something else for the neck pickup if you want more of a traditional Les Paul neck pickup sound. 

Anyhow I chatted with the Bare Knuckle team multiple times about a recommendation for pretty much this exact same style of music (admittedly for a Mayones, not a Les Paul, but since Les Pauls have always been my guitar of choice I feel qualified to chime in).  Everyone in the live chats seemed to recommend the Nailbombs, Holydivers, or Rebel Yells.  I wasn't very happy with a Nailbomb bridge and didn't try the Rebel Yells. 

I eventually emailed Tim Mills (the owner/founder of BKP) directly.  I didn't mention what the other people had recommended, because I didn't want to bias his opinion.  I literally asked for a "modernized Les Paul on steroids" type of sound for Alice in Chains, Porcupine Tree, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, etc., with the occasional excursion into Pantera or Opeth in the heavy direction and Pink Floyd in the lighter.  He highly recommended the True Grits, with the Emeralds as his secondary choice (again, this was for a Mayones Regius, so not identical to a Les Paul).  When I specifically asked about the Nailbomb, Holydiver, or Crawler, his email response to me literally says "I donít think you need to go that hot to get the results youíd like."

I currently have a VHII neck and Holydiver bridge in my guitar, so I didn't exactly follow Tim's recommendation after all!  But the Holydiver feels a bit more medium output to me, anyway.  Obviously it depends on a lot of factors like amps and effects, etc., but especially if you're used to using PAF-style pickups, I really wouldn't go for high output pickups.  I liked the True Grits a lot in my guitar, but mostly started swapping because I wanted covered pickups and I had bought them uncovered.

Hopefully this is helpful.
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: Ale84 on May 07, 2021, 10:09:17 PM
Thanks for the replies. I was considering the true grit and i think iíll go for it
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: RobAbrams84 on May 10, 2021, 03:40:00 AM
Let us know how they work for you, I think you'll like them. 
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: Ale84 on May 10, 2021, 08:06:00 PM
I really hope. Iíll let you know during the weekend. Thanks!
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: Ale84 on May 18, 2021, 12:05:19 AM
Hi guys,
Iíve been playing it during the weekend and at first it sounded strange then it grew on me . Itís a great pickup , with tight bass , clarity and itís really bright with a good push. It might be a lighter version of the rebel yell. Much better than the 57 classic plus i had before. So far Iím satisfied and i think iíll buy the neck pickup too
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: ericsabbath on May 18, 2021, 04:09:33 PM
Hi guys,
Iíve been playing it during the weekend and at first it sounded strange then it grew on me . Itís a great pickup , with tight bass , clarity and itís really bright with a good push. It might be a lighter version of the rebel yell. Much better than the 57 classic plus i had before. So far Iím satisfied and i think iíll buy the neck pickup too

nice to hear!
did you play with pickup height? it gets really big when set very close to strings (less pushy in the mids but punchier than a rebel yell)
neck model is pretty versatile too
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: Ale84 on May 18, 2021, 04:27:06 PM
The pickup was set bu the luthier balancing it with the 57 innthe neck. He put it really close to the string. I want to lower it and hear how it sound, it might get even clearer
Title: Re: Les paul new pickups. Help
Post by: RobAbrams84 on May 19, 2021, 04:58:26 AM
Mine took some tweaking until I liked them, more than any other pickup for whatever reason.  Now I really like them, and I just ordered another set (nickel covered this time).