Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Tech => Topic started by: CJ on October 23, 2007, 10:26:43 PM
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I'd like to try to re-wire my flying v, but i've never done wiring before. to start, i'd like to practice on my cheap squire guitar, but i'm not sure what i can do with it to practice... are there any different ways i can wire a strat, or should i just unsolder and resolder it? any tips for soldering, or how to do it in the first place?
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here is how my V's wiring currently is. please someone let me know what the hell all of this means, because i don't. is it wired correctly? can it stay like this? should i fix it?
oh, supposedly the guitar has two volume and one tone pot, though i'm not sure which is which, they all appear to look the same.
http://static.zoovy.com/img/guitarelectronics/-/wdu_hh3t21_01
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Looking at your diagram, I have come to the conclusion that I have definitely had way too much vin rouge tonight.
Oh and the little orange circle is a capacitor.
If I was you I would read up a bit about wiring and electrickery before you go and give yourself a nasty shock. HoHoHo can you see what I did there!
There are plenty of sites on that there interweb thingy dealing with guitar wiring and plenty of advice on soldering components. I'm twelvetetwo and some of my wiring still turns out shite.
If you are unsure about a guitars wiring and are not competent in wielding a multi-meter or not sure which end of a soldering iron to hold, I would strongly urge you to take the guitar to a professional to have it looked at. Take them a cake and ask them about it (the guitar, not the cake silly), they'll only be too glad to give you advice.
Your diagram doesn't show if the lugs of the volume pots are soldered to the cases, I'm assuming they are.
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Looking at your diagram, I have come to the conclusion that I have definitely had way too much vin rouge tonight.
Oh and the little orange circle is a capacitor.
If I was you I would read up a bit about wiring and electrickery before you go and give yourself a nasty shock. HoHoHo can you see what I did there!
There are plenty of sites on that there interweb thingy dealing with guitar wiring and plenty of advice on soldering components. I'm twelvetetwo and some of my wiring still turns out shitee.
If you are unsure about a guitars wiring and are not competent in wielding a multi-meter or not sure which end of a soldering iron to hold, I would strongly urge you to take the guitar to a professional to have it looked at. Take them a cake and ask them about it (the guitar, not the cake silly), they'll only be too glad to give you advice.
Your diagram doesn't show if the lugs of the volume pots are soldered to the cases, I'm assuming they are.
hey i thought the orange thing was a capacitor, but i figured i'd look even more stupid if i was wrong and called it by the wrong name.
the only guy around here who claims to do repair work looked at my wiring (when i was getting my pickup put in) and said "well, i can put in the new pickup wired the same as the old one is, but if you wanted me to wire this thing correctly, i'd have not much of a clue what to do". so you know i'm not going back to him.
as for a soldering iron, you hold the metal end, and melt the plastic to the wire, right? haha, just kidding. i've looked at instructional things and my dad can help me out a bit with the soldering.
as for the lugs of the volume soldered to the something of the other, explain what you mean in terms of i have no clue what you're talking about, and i'll take a look seeing as my guitars still open.
what i need to know is, 1. is my guitar technically wired wrong 2. will i gain anything by rewiring it 3. tips on unsoldering 4. tips on soldering that i might not know, or obvious important ones
EDIT: in possible regard to your question, i took a look at my wiring. The top and bottom most pots have the open tab (fairly certain these are lugs) bent up and soldered to the pot (or i guess i'm just seeing the casing of the pot). so i will conclude that, yes, the lugs of the volume pots are soldered to their casings.
So, does this mean that the top and bottom (in respect to my diagram, the two farthest left) are my volume pots, and the one on the right is my tone?
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surely i could get some response with all the experts on here?
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why do you want to rewire it? - is the wiring faulty at present?
:twisted:
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do the volume knobs change the volume, the tone knobs change the tone, and the selector switch change the pickups? then it's wired right!
didn't mean to sound condescending, sorry! i'm guessing that it works fine, but you'd like to know what other tricks you can perform with the wiring, like coil taps, in/out of phase? if so, and you can say what you're after, i'm sure someone can put up a diagram, or point you to a site with ones on it. i know there are a few, in fact here's one i found earlier!!
http://www.guitarelectronics.com/category/wiringresources/
the information in there should give you some idea of what's possible with your setup.
oh, and this is a typical wiring diagram for your V.
http://www.guitarelectronics.com/product/WDUHH3T2101
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actually no, its wired quite weird. the knobs kind of jump around depending on what position i'm in. say the knob farthest to the right is my volume knob when in bridge position, it then does nothing when in neck position. all the knobs appear to do different things, or lack there of, depending on what position i'm in. i was also wondering if this is possibly sucking out any tone.
again, looking at another diagram, mine isn't anywhere as close, and is twice as complicated. i'm wondering if it could be sucking output or tone, or if theres sound coming out, it doesn't matter.
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that's normal, there are seperate volumes for each pickup, then the one tone control for both.
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you know, i got so worried because my wiring looks so different from the correct diagram, but the more i study it and understand what everything means, maybe it is correct, even thought more complicated than it has to be... one question, does soldering something to the casing of a pot just ground it, serving no real function?
to be sure, rather than more suggestions, if somebody could just study my diagram and compare it to the one i uploaded into the first post, and let me know what you think... thanks.
also, what does out of phase do? i think its when one pickup is just housed backwards, not wired differently, correct? one the pickups, theres on coil with flat pole pieces, on one coil with ones that look like screws. which way should the screw side be facing on each?
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Can be electrically or magnetically out of phase, the magnet facing the wrong way, or wired the wrong way round methinks.
The pot with all the earths coming from the pickups looks like the bridge.
Surely you have fiddled with your LP and found all the combinations with Volumes at different levels? The advantage of LPs would be having two tones to play with as well
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This thread seems to be a continuation of a previous one
Here is a link to the old thread for continuity purposes
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7837&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60
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hmm.. forgot about that thread. thanks for bringing that up.
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Looking at your diagram, the pot at top left is your bridge pickup volume, the one at bottom left is the neck volume. That's the opposite of the normal layout, but other than that it looks like they're wired correctly.
The pot on the right is the tone. It looks like there may be something funny about the wiring there - I'd expect the centre lug of the switch to be connected to the bottom lug (as it is in the pic) of the tone control, then from there to the jack. Maybe that is what's happening - is the southern-most lug on the switch (in the diagram) actually two lugs in the middle of the switch, bent together and soldered?
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on the switch, there are 3 arms or whatever (lugs?) in a row, and then that one on my diagram thats sticking out the side is actually in the middle below the other three. i'm a little confused at what else you're asking. i'd also like to point out that on another forum i received advice saying that which of the lugs a wire is soldered to makes a difference. For example, my neck pickup is grounded out on the bridge vol pot, and then soldered to the left lug of the bridge pot (should be to the neck..?) and the diagram shows it should go to the middle lug.
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i wouldn't normally link to another forum, but i'm also asking this question on another one, guitarists.net, and i'm receiving help from someone who is quite knowledgeable about electronics over there and i can't quite explain what he's saying, so if you could just take a look here...
http://guitarists.net/forum/view_bb.php?forum=19&thread=78830
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on the switch, there are 3 arms or whatever (lugs?) in a row, and then that one on my diagram thats sticking out the side is actually in the middle below the other three.
That's what I was trying to describe - so it looks like the switch is wired correctly.
my neck pickup is grounded out on the bridge vol pot, and then soldered to the left lug of the bridge pot (should be to the neck..?) and the diagram shows it should go to the middle lug.
You can have the pickup wire connecting to the left lug of the pot, and the middle lug connected to the switch. Or the other way round, as shown in the Guitar Electronics diagram. Both ways work, I don't know how much difference it makes. It's more common to connect the pickup to the left lug.
As far as I can tell, it looks like your guitar is wired totally normally (apart from the two volume pots being swapped round, but that makes no difference).
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I posted this link in the other thread too, but here's a Seymour Duncan diagram:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2h_2v_1t_3w
Ignore the colour-coded pickup wires and the different physical layout of the controls - it's basically the same as the wiring of your guitar.
This diagram also shows various ground wires (the thin lines) connecting the pots and switches, which is what the guy was going on about on that other forum. If you don't have these ground wires, don't worry because the foil backing on your scratchplate basically makes the ground connections anyway.
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so i think right now i'm fully functional besides when in neck position i can't control individual volumes. all i have to do is switch the wires around connected to each volume pot, right? as in, reverse the two on one pot, then the other two on the other pot...?
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When in neck position you should only be able to control the volume of the neck pickup. Same with the bridge volume in bridge position. You can only use both volumes in the middle switch position. Was that the question?
As for swapping the wires on the volume pots, it's up to you - if you mainly use the bridge pickup, it's arguably more convenient to have the bridge volume closest to your hand. (Or did you mean swapping the pickup wires from the left to centre pot lugs to resemble the Guitar Electronics diagram?)
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so i think right now i'm fully functional besides when in neck position i can't control individual volumes. all i have to do is switch the wires around connected to each volume pot, right? as in, reverse the two on one pot, then the other two on the other pot...?
There are many ways to skin a cat. First off the main wire from the pickup goes to a tag on the volume pot.
The SD diagram shows it going to the first lug and then a wire from the second lug goes to the switch.
The GE diagram shows it going to the middle lug, then a wire from the first lug to the switch
the 3rd lug goes straight to the back of the pot on all volume controls
Both work fine, but slightly differently. when the neck pickup is selected the neck volume is in control - the other does nothing, when the bridge is selected the bridge volume is in control - thats the same on both diagrams
They differ when you get to the middle switch setting. With the SD diagram when one volume is turned down the guitar will go quiet even if the other volume is up. WIth the GE diagram the volumes will still work independantly - so you would need to turn both down to make the guitar quiet.
Some people find the SD one annoying because it doesnt allow you to blend the pickups, some people find the GE one annoying because it takes longer to silence the guitar.... Personal preference
the tone control should work in all settings.
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When in neck position you should only be able to control the volume of the neck pickup. Same with the bridge volume in bridge position. You can only use both volumes in the middle switch position. Was that the question?
As for swapping the wires on the volume pots, it's up to you - if you mainly use the bridge pickup, it's arguably more convenient to have the bridge volume closest to your hand. (Or did you mean swapping the pickup wires from the left to centre pot lugs to resemble the Guitar Electronics diagram?)
yes, and yes. sorry for the confusion. meant to say middle position, not neck. and i also meant switching the wires from the left to center, as this should allow for blending in middle position, right?
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yes it will
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I find blending easier with the stock wiring.
Can't understand why you would want to change.
(should also apologise for my incorrect comment which i said the vol pots were the other way round, didn't look at the wire crossover :roll: )
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I find blending easier with the stock wiring.
Can't understand why you would want to change.
(should also apologise for my incorrect comment which i said the vol pots were the other way round, didn't look at the wire crossover :roll: )
its not the stock wiring. guitar center messed with it. i can't blend in the middle position right now, one volume controls both. not a big deal, but i've already got my guitar stripped down. plus, i want to learn to solder.
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re-wiring successful! haven't tried the guitar yet though, so don't know if it sounds any better. i just tapped on the pickups while messing with the controls to make sure everything is technically working.