Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: maverickf1jockey on October 24, 2007, 08:24:19 PM
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Tried one out in Rock and Roll Music of Swindon (if you're interested in Orange amps then its definitely a good place to look) and bought it with a matching cabinet. It is truly the best amp sound I have ever heard and it has loads of gain on tap and cleans up really well. I have no idea why I would really want an EQ or channel switcher any more...
To prove I'm not here to plug Orange I tried it against a rocker 30 and could not really justify the difference in price.
Has anybody else found that the 15-watt mode is so much fuller and heavier sounding?
Only gripe really is that it lacks compression for lead work so higher pitched harmonics and pinches on the bass strings don't ring through quite as I would like but I could add a compression pedal before it in order to use it as a lead booster.
One of the greatest rock amps ever in my opinion as it is impossible to screw your tone with an EQ that doesn't quite help as much as hinder the quest for great sound.
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just stating my opinion here, but you should have bought the MatAmp Little Rock instead. same price, MUCH better quality of tone and worksmanship
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I love my TT, there seem to be quite a few owners on the board now.
I've not played with the 15 watt much, at the volume control settings I'm using it doesn't make a great deal of difference, but as I'm in a flat I can't really crank it.
I found this on the dolphin site after I'd bought mine.
15 watts may not seem like a lot, but Orange rate their amplifiers the British way – 15 watts RMS clean. This means that when it comes to power the Tiny Terror will give many 30 watt amplifiers a run for their money!
Not sure who rates their amps what way, but I thought it was interesting.
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just stating my opinion here, but you should have bought the MatAmp Little Rock instead. same price, MUCH better quality of tone and worksmanship
I just don't understand all these people saying this!
All the clips of the little rock that I've heard are hideous. it sounds hard and harsh, and just disgusting. The same goes for all matamp clips actually. Also - I'm growing to hate my minimat for those reasons. It just has a horrible breakup, a nasty, flat, small tone. Matamps just don't do anything for me. I can't understand what the fuss is about, or why anyone would part with £300 for an amp as horrid as the LittleRock when there is the Tiny Terror out there which sounds positively ORGASMIC. Sure, the built quality may not be quite as good, but it's primarily a bedroom amp for most that buy it, and it's not gonna be bashed around a lot surely. In fact, what your saying about the TT's less good workmanship is bollucks anyway - who do you know that's had one break?
Rant over. Sorry if you disagree, but EURGH. i had to get this off my chest.
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just stating my opinion here, but you should have bought the MatAmp Little Rock instead. same price, MUCH better quality of tone and worksmanship
I just don't understand all these people saying this!
All the clips of the little rock that I've heard are hideous. it sounds hard and harsh, and just disgusting. The same goes for all matamp clips actually. Also - I'm growing to hate my minimat for those reasons. It just has a horrible breakup, a nasty, flat, small tone. Matamps just don't do anything for me. I can't understand what the fuss is about, or why anyone would part with £300 for an amp as horrid as the LittleRock when there is the Tiny Terror out there which sounds positively ORGASMIC. Sure, the built quality may not be quite as good, but it's primarily a bedroom amp for most that buy it, and it's not gonna be bashed around a lot surely. In fact, what your saying about the TT's less good workmanship is bollucks anyway - who do you know that's had one break?
Rant over. Sorry if you disagree, but EURGH. i had to get this off my chest.
Haha you go indy :P
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I'm very tempted by one and a 2x12. Looking for a good low (<20W) valve amp with some awesome clean tones and be very pedal-philic. Might make a thread about it when I have some spare cash.
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I bought a TT about a month ago and its just as I expected- (except its phenominally loud-even at the 7 watt setting) great crunch and rawk and has a real retro vibe running thro a 2X12 with a G12 H and a G12M. Oh and I 've not heard a convincing lttle rock soundclip as yet......
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just stating my opinion here, but you should have bought the MatAmp Little Rock instead. same price, MUCH better quality of tone and worksmanship
I just don't understand all these people saying this!
All the clips of the little rock that I've heard are hideous. it sounds hard and harsh, and just disgusting. The same goes for all matamp clips actually. Also - I'm growing to hate my minimat for those reasons. It just has a horrible breakup, a nasty, flat, small tone. Matamps just don't do anything for me. I can't understand what the fuss is about, or why anyone would part with £300 for an amp as horrid as the LittleRock when there is the Tiny Terror out there which sounds positively ORGASMIC. Sure, the built quality may not be quite as good, but it's primarily a bedroom amp for most that buy it, and it's not gonna be bashed around a lot surely. In fact, what your saying about the TT's less good workmanship is bollucks anyway - who do you know that's had one break?
Rant over. Sorry if you disagree, but EURGH. i had to get this off my chest.
+1, all the little rock clips I've heard have been pretty shite, whereas most of the TT clips have been awesome.
edit - I think its just a case of people being b00teek snobs really :P
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I just don't understand all these people saying this!
All the clips of the little rock that I've heard are hideous. it sounds hard and harsh, and just disgusting. The same goes for all matamp clips actually. Also - I'm growing to hate my minimat for those reasons. It just has a horrible breakup, a nasty, flat, small tone. Matamps just don't do anything for me. I can't understand what the fuss is about, or why anyone would part with £300 for an amp as horrid as the LittleRock when there is the Tiny Terror out there which sounds positively ORGASMIC. Sure, the built quality may not be quite as good, but it's primarily a bedroom amp for most that buy it, and it's not gonna be bashed around a lot surely. In fact, what your saying about the TT's less good workmanship is bollucks anyway - who do you know that's had one break?
Rant over. Sorry if you disagree, but EURGH. i had to get this off my chest.
It's all opinion mate.
I spent a good 40 minutes or so with a TT (the shop started bitching at me after that! :roll:) when I was looking at low wattage amps. I then tried the Matamp Little Rock and bought 1 of those as I preferred the sound of it.
I'll agree with ya, the distortion channel on it's own can sound a little dull/flat, but whack a decent Overdrive or Boost infront and it'll sing 8)
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:D Gotta say love my TT. Great little amp & i`ve got no build quality issues with it either, solid as a rock with a great tone to boot all for £300. What more do you want ?
:D 8)
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If you're all basing your Little Rock opinions on my clips then you should really hear one in person. My clip recording gear is cr@p.
However....
In my opinion, the Little Rock sounds cack when compared to a Tiny Terror. I'm actually going to get mine checked to see if there's a fault with it. It permanently sounds like there's a c--ked wah in front of it.
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Have heard good L/rock clips..some on the Matamp forum.....but for me I still prefer the sound of my TT...need a better cab but can save up for that(tried it through my Prosonics 2x10 and sounded far better)
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If you're all basing your Little Rock opinions on my clips then you should really hear one in person.
I wasn't actually; yours were the best I'd heard (still not as nice as a lot of TT clips I'd heard though). There's a lot of clips of the little rock on the matamp forum and they sound really bad.
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If you're all basing your Little Rock opinions on my clips then you should really hear one in person.
I wasn't actually; yours were the best I'd heard (still not as nice as a lot of TT clips I'd heard though). There's a lot of clips of the little rock on the matamp forum and they sound really bad.
tried a minimat and decided i'd rather just use my JMP50 at low volume levels. really dissapointing.
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If you're all basing your Little Rock opinions on my clips then you should really hear one in person.
I wasn't actually; yours were the best I'd heard (still not as nice as a lot of TT clips I'd heard though). There's a lot of clips of the little rock on the matamp forum and they sound really bad.
tried a minimat and decided i'd rather just use my JMP50 at low volume levels. really dissapointing.
yeah my minimat is pretty nasty. it just doesn't do any useable tones! it was sort of novel for the first few days, messing around, trying different pedals in front of it, trying to get a nice sound, but after over a year and not really finding one that wasn't coloured entirely by the pedals, I'm a little bit pissed off. It sounds really harsh... like somebody's tried to recreate the sound of a transistor amp on the edge of breakup using valves! it makes no sense.
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yeah my minimat is pretty nasty. it just doesn't do any useable tones! it was sort of novel for the first few days, messing around, trying different pedals in front of it, trying to get a nice sound, but after over a year and not really finding one that wasn't coloured entirely by the pedals, I'm a little bit pissed off. It sounds really harsh... like somebody's tried to recreate the sound of a transistor amp on the edge of breakup using valves! it makes no sense.
Christ! What were you trying to play on it! Napalm Death?! :lol:
I was pretty dissapointed with my minimat too, but thats my fault really for not trying one out beforehand.
Its just a very simple Class A valve cuircut, designed primarily to be used with pedals. It did take me a while to work out how to use it and which pedals it liked. This was a pain in the ass...but hey it is a Vintage toned amp after all.
I use mine with a delay and fuzz face clone for really nice shimmery clean fender tones and bluesy playing. Its divine. If you crank it boosted mode with a clean boost / TS type pedal you can get real nice SRV tones too.
I also tried a TT and I was surprised how much gain this puppy had, but I played it through a horrible chinese Hamer 335 semi and that sounded wack.
I have no care for the Little Rock, I still think they got the design (appearance) wrong. :roll:
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Just played a Tiny Terror today in Sound Control, not a bad little amp. Used my Mother's Milk Strat and it seemed pretty cool. Dunno if I would buy one, as I wasn't as amazed as when I plugged into a Blues Jr.
Also noticed that the 7/15 watt switch never made much difference to my ears. Is it really that useable?
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It's fairly useable, but you're only looking at a 10% or so volume difference. Handy for home practice to take the edge off the volume.
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The Blues Jr sounds better to me as well I think, though I havent played either so I'm just comparing clips here. This sounds really good - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YpaT_S7cEis He's also using a fuzzface though, which doesnt even sound fuzzy so I dont know if thats a good indication of the quality of the clip or not :lol:
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The Blues Jr sounds better to me as well I think, though I havent played either so I'm just comparing clips here. This sounds really good - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YpaT_S7cEis He's also using a fuzzface though, which doesnt even sound fuzzy so I dont know if thats a good indication of the quality of the clip or not :lol:
You can almost use the fuzz face as a clean boost sometimes. Its really responsive to the guitar volume pot. Cleans up really easily.
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Just curious here,
Do the Orange 1x12"s output to parallel as I think it might need more kick than the one 12"er I'm blasting through right now (I had this image of arranging them into pyramids of power, using the stereo outputs, or even surround sound using 1x12"s (I think this is actually the reason people are shocked by its volume; people are playing it through 4 or 2x12"s as opposed to a smaller cab for practice)).
I'm definitely sold on Orange cabs they are really chunky and well built (mine is actually bigger than my old 2x10" combo amp I used to have but is lighter and easier to carry around (bloody weirdo Indie tilting cabinet).
This thing has got so much gain that adding an overdrive in front of it didn't colour the sound at all and the only change in volume and compression was that the background hiss got louder; it actually eats dist. pedals at high gain - Brilliant :twisted: . Just wish I could turn it up and play a show with it sometime as I think my compression problem stems from not being loud enough :D .
If I were to get the cash together again I'd actually be tempted to get another and an A/B box, so that I could switch between the clean and distorted sounds more intuitively, but that's not the nature of the beast, I suppose. I love the Idea that I could just take it into school so easily; that bag is a fantastic idea, and blow people away with the tone of the thing.
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The Blues Jr sounds better to me as well I think, though I havent played either so I'm just comparing clips here. This sounds really good - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YpaT_S7cEis He's also using a fuzzface though, which doesnt even sound fuzzy so I dont know if thats a good indication of the quality of the clip or not :lol:
You can almost use the fuzz face as a clean boost sometimes. Its really responsive to the guitar volume pot. Cleans up really easily.
I see, I thought they were just full out fuzz machines :lol:
f1jockey - chances are its just because it needs cranking as you say - I always find that my amp sounds compressed at low volume but when you turn it up it opens up a lot.
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:D Gotta say love my TT. Great little amp & i`ve got no build quality issues with it either, solid as a rock with a great tone to boot all for £300. What more do you want ?
:D 8)
An effects loop would be nice ...
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My 2x12 cab is 8ohms. Would it be OK to use with the TT?
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Yep. There's one 16ohm and two 8ohm outputs.
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If anyones looking for a slightly cheaper TT brand new then look here:
http://www.nevadamusic.co.uk/Guitars/Electric_Guitars/Guitar_Amps/Electric_Guitar_Amps/sc1066/p5335.aspx
£269.99 with free delivery!
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If anyones looking for a slightly cheaper TT brand new then look here:
http://www.nevadamusic.co.uk/Guitars/Electric_Guitars/Guitar_Amps/Electric_Guitar_Amps/sc1066/p5335.aspx
£269.99 with free delivery!
Got mine for £450 with a £200 cabinet and speaker cable inclusive deal and carried it home that day so the price I paid is better than that.
Seeing as the forum is going on a grammar drive can I just point out the lack of apostrophe in your post :wink:
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lol alright calm down
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:D Gotta say love my TT. Great little amp & i`ve got no build quality issues with it either, solid as a rock with a great tone to boot all for £300. What more do you want ?
:D 8)
An effects loop would be nice ...
I'd have said that too but I hate bands which (over)use pitch shifters and delay wouldn't be too hard to set up as the amp doesn't compress your sound that much. The only use for an fx loop imo is a compressor and noise gate the gate being virtually useless as I find that noise only becomes noticeably an issue is cranked on the gain with the master at 12:00.
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I bought an Orange 1x12 with my TT, it uses a different speaker to the bigger 2 and 4 x12, the 2 and 4 x12's use Vintage 30's the 1x12 is a Celestion G12K-100.
The G12K-100 is a 99db efficiency so pretty loud, but I'd really like to try a 4x12 at home :)
I really like the Orange cabs, at first I wasn't sure, but I love the look of them now, they look solid and bold and there is no mistaking them :) (ok I have seen other orange covered cabs, but not that many).
After the success of my TT I'm wondering what the AD30HTC sounds like, it has a clean channel that interests me, has anyone tried one?
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If anyones looking for a slightly cheaper TT brand new then look here:
http://www.nevadamusic.co.uk/Guitars/Electric_Guitars/Guitar_Amps/Electric_Guitar_Amps/sc1066/p5335.aspx
£269.99 with free delivery!
It would be remiss of me not to mention that I ordered my "in stock" TT from Nevada over 2 weeks ago and it still hasn't arrived. They say it was returned to them, but the courier company never left me a card. :?
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If anyones looking for a slightly cheaper TT brand new then look here:
http://www.nevadamusic.co.uk/Guitars/Electric_Guitars/Guitar_Amps/Electric_Guitar_Amps/sc1066/p5335.aspx
£269.99 with free delivery!
It would be remiss of me not to mention that I ordered my "in stock" TT from Nevada over 2 weeks ago and it still hasn't arrived. They say it was returned to them, but the courier company never left me a card. :?
That sucks! Do you still get it or have they refunded you? (i hate it when courier companies do that btw)
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They said they'd re-send it straight away, but that was on Tuesday and it isn't here yet. I don't know if the couriers really $%&#ed up or if Nevada were just lying... seemed odd that it had "just turned up" on the day I chased.
Although I did get a Parcelforce card yesterday - with no tracking/consignment number (arseholes), but that could be something else.
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lol sounds like a Nevada slip up to me. Could be Parcelforce's fault though that would only work if that's the only thing your expecting from them.
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tried a minimat and decided i'd rather just use my JMP50 at low volume levels. really dissapointing.
Exactly the same here, i have a marshall powerbreak though to play at home. To me the TT/Mata sound like a 'diet amp', and if i can choose between a light version and the real saturated PHAT i dont have a hard time choosing, soundwise that is offcourse :lol: )
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tried a minimat and decided i'd rather just use my JMP50 at low volume levels. really dissapointing.
Exactly the same here, i have a marshall powerbreak though to play at home. To me the TT/Mata sound like a 'diet amp', and if i can choose between a light version and the real saturated PHAT i dont have a hard time choosing, soundwise that is offcourse :lol: )
what do you find 'light' about the TT? if you're on about the lack of knobs and buttons then you are very much mistaken on that point imo. I find it just makes it impossible to $%&# up your tone.
tbh i'm actually tempted to start a boycott on multi channel bells and whistles - style amps as the TT goes to a perfect clean from the highest gain setting using my volume control and I have CWPs.
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tried a minimat and decided i'd rather just use my JMP50 at low volume levels. really dissapointing.
Exactly the same here, i have a marshall powerbreak though to play at home. To me the TT/Mata sound like a 'diet amp', and if i can choose between a light version and the real saturated PHAT i dont have a hard time choosing, soundwise that is offcourse :lol: )
Don't know about the Minimat, but the Tiny Terror does sound big enough on the 15W setting. It's open, punchy, deep and direct. However, at very low volume, I also prefer my 50/100W tops, it's rather at medium volume where the smaller amps really shine.
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OK, maybe im kinda stuck on certain gear, ill admit to that. BUT, i do read people looking for an amp to use at home and people advising the TT which is absolute ($@& IMHO. Yes the TT is to be considered 'light' gear(me making a 'diet' link is beside the point), like hunter and more people said you probably will find a unique 'sweet spot' but that is another matter IMHO.
My response wasnt even meant that serious, but since it is wrongly taken that way, i was pointing out that IMHO the TT is a nice amp, but certainly not an amp to advice to an average 'home' guitarist. I know my marshall can sound good at any volume setting, thats what makes it so versatile, this does not count for the TT, it sounds $)(I% at 'living room' volume.
So ok, thats enough swearing out of me, this was my point, im sorry i wasnt clear enough ill use the IMHO more often since it is my opinion and i have a right to state that opinion IMHO> :wink:
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Don't know about the Minimat, but the Tiny Terror does sound big enough on the 15W setting. It's open, punchy, deep and direct. However, at very low volume, I also prefer my 50/100W tops, it's rather at medium volume where the smaller amps really shine.
That makes sense... :) I tried the TT in my local shop but it was with a new (never been tuned..) Epi Lp w/stock Pu's and after 2 hours in a traffic jam,i was not in the right mood :x Anyway,it sounded good for riffing and rythm but not very good for Lead...but that could be the Epi Pu's..?
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It only seems a few weeks ago that Matamps were "flavour of the month" here - now seems the opposite :? :? :?
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I know my marshall can sound good at any volume setting, thats what makes it so versatile, this does not count for the TT, it sounds $)(I% at 'living room' volume.
Err, have you played one in your living room at living room volume? Mine sounds fine thanks.......
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I know my marshall can sound good at any volume setting, thats what makes it so versatile, this does not count for the TT, it sounds $)(I% at 'living room' volume.
Err, have you played one in your living room at living room volume? Mine sounds fine thanks.......
Obviously i did or i wouldnt say that. I had a go at it with the 1x12 cab that comes with it. Used a conservative TV volume setting with an epi les paul.
If you like an overly present, crunchy tone, and are able to crank the amp at say noonish volume its a ball. BUT if you put a not properly setup, or just some stock epi into it, i got a very compressed lame tone which turned fissy or squeely when opening the gain/tone stages. Still i could manage to find a compromise, but thats all it was, a compromise. The 7w setting was simply horrible, i couldnt even get a 'normal' clean tone.
Im not amazed you like the TT, but howmany people have A) the guitar to take that amount of presence without making a mess of it and B) the skill to make it sing. Not many IMHO.
My comment about the TT is heavily coloured by my practical approach and it is not a practical amp IMHO.
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what!!
are you mad has to be one of the most practical amps I've had....used it with BKP'ed guitars and cheap squires sounds great with both...tried loud through a cheap, then an expensive 4x12 and at home through a 1 x12 still sings....think you must have tried a dodgy one, if there is such a thing
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what!!
are you mad has to be one of the most practical amps I've had....used it with BKP'ed guitars and cheap squires sounds great with both...tried loud through a cheap, then an expensive 4x12 and at home through a 1 x12 still sings....think you must have tried a dodgy one, if there is such a thing
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Well i dont know the scematics, but the 7w setting sounded so bad i did think it was dodgy, still its a $500 amp and it should be in perfect new condition shouldnt it?
The fact that it has little knobs doesnt mean its practical, the toneknob seems to be the mid adjustment and you cant balance the highs and lows with it, not practical IMO.
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Yup was right you are mad....yeah ain't a two channel all singing amp, with loads of controls, but is a sweat sounding simple amp
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Yup was right you are mad....yeah ain't a two channel all singing amp, with loads of controls, but is a sweat sounding simple amp
Thank you for the compliment, mad isnt even close, im a raving loon :crazy2: :lol:
Anyway if you like the sound it can be great, sweet or whatever, i simply disagree with it being a great amp for an average guitarplayer who wants a good amp for home use.
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Ok then what is a great amp for home use?
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Guys, this discussion is a bit pointless, isn't it? To each his own, right. TT has sold >10,000 units (see latest Guitarist) so it cannot be completely wrong. But surely it's not for everyone. So: peace ! 8)
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I quite agree, im growing tired of restating my opinion, any more people who must disagree with my opinion should better PM me then, going on about it here isnt usefull.
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True
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Guys, this discussion is a bit pointless, isn't it? To each his own, right. TT has sold >10,000 units (see latest Guitarist) so it cannot be completely wrong. But surely it's not for everyone. So: peace ! 8)
+1 - I deliberately did not comment on either side of the arguement in my post above. I have owned 50 and 100watt Marshall Plexis, 100watt Matamp (all originals) as well as a Minimat and other not quite so illustrious amps. At the end of the day if you're happy with your sound, whatever the guitar/amp setup, then that's all that matters - you're not going to please everybody so just please yourself. Also, I have seen some guitarists get fantastic sounds out of what I would class as rubbish gear and visa versa. (e.g. I first saw Peter Green playing live in the Marquee using a Vox T60 transistor bass amp { for those of you too young to remember look here - http://www.voxshowroom.com/uk/amp/t60.html } - I assume this was because his normal amp had packed up. He still had "that sound" and feel.)
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If anyones looking for a slightly cheaper TT brand new then look here:
http://www.nevadamusic.co.uk/Guitars/Electric_Guitars/Guitar_Amps/Electric_Guitar_Amps/sc1066/p5335.aspx
£269.99 with free delivery!
Got mine for £450 with a £200 cabinet and speaker cable inclusive deal and carried it home that day so the price I paid is better than that.
Seeing as the forum is going on a grammar drive can I just point out the lack of apostrophe in your post :wink:
Can I point out a lack of two commas and a full stop in your post? :wink:
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I agree with Tellboy. On the other hand, if it's good enough for Gary Moore (who I would consider to be more than an average guitar player) to use on his new album, then it can't be too bad!
http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/gary-moore/oct-07/31559
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If anyones looking for a slightly cheaper TT brand new then look here:
http://www.nevadamusic.co.uk/Guitars/Electric_Guitars/Guitar_Amps/Electric_Guitar_Amps/sc1066/p5335.aspx
£269.99 with free delivery!
Got mine for £450 with a £200 cabinet and speaker cable inclusive deal and carried it home that day so the price I paid is better than that.
Seeing as the forum is going on a grammar drive can I just point out the lack of apostrophe in your post :wink:
Can I point out a lack of two commas and a full stop in your post? :wink:
I typed it quickly.