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Title: I feel very guilty ...
Post by: hunter on October 25, 2007, 03:12:38 PM
... it came over me again ... just hit "buy now" on the bay for this beauty direct from Nippon ...

How can I explain it to the Missus ?  :?

edit: it's an aged Jimmy Page Relic Edwards 112, weighing in 3.5 Kg and a 1pc mahogany back and neck and long tenon brand new etc ...
Title: I feel very guilty ...
Post by: Crazy_Joe on October 25, 2007, 03:24:14 PM
hahaha another new guitar for Hunter, it looks quality! look forward to seeing it in a youtube video coming soon i would have thought :D
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Post by: Twinfan on October 25, 2007, 03:34:10 PM
Nice!  Is that the one with the super series switching?

Get the Black Dogs in it  ;)
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Post by: hunter on October 25, 2007, 03:38:07 PM
Quote from: Twinfan
Nice!  Is that the one with the super series switching?

Get the Black Dogs in it  ;)


nope

I don't like the quality of push pull pots anyway. Might do the switching myself using mini switches like EL Jimmy ...

edit: I think more about Mules actually, let's first see how those Duncans suck, then I will upgrade shortly  :lol:
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Post by: kevincurtis on October 25, 2007, 03:42:08 PM
your just rubbing it in!  :cry:   I'd just hide it :)
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Post by: hunter on October 25, 2007, 03:45:27 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Joe
hahaha another new guitar for Hunter, it looks quality! look forward to seeing it in a youtube video coming soon i would have thought :D


well well, let's see, maybe I'll start with some Pics. Let's hope it plays and sounds as good as it looks!!

I might sell my famous BlackDog Epi then, who knows?
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Post by: Crazy_Joe on October 25, 2007, 03:58:42 PM
Quote from: hunter
Quote from: Crazy_Joe
hahaha another new guitar for Hunter, it looks quality! look forward to seeing it in a youtube video coming soon i would have thought :D


well well, let's see, maybe I'll start with some Pics. Let's hope it plays and sounds as good as it looks!!

I might sell my famous BlackDog Epi then, who knows?


 :o that would be a bold move, though i can't see the Edwards being shite haha so maybe it is time for the old Epiphone to make way.
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Post by: 38thBeatle on October 25, 2007, 06:42:33 PM
Tell the Missus it is her present but would she mind if you "played it in" for her.
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Post by: samoth2 on October 25, 2007, 06:49:17 PM
Quote from: 38thBeatle
Tell the Missus it is her present but would she mind if you "played it in" for her.


Done that yourself?  :)
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Post by: 38thBeatle on October 25, 2007, 06:51:16 PM
Now would I do that to Mrs 38th?
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Post by: hunter on October 25, 2007, 06:54:07 PM
Quote from: 38thBeatle
Tell the Missus it is her present but would she mind if you "played it in" for her.


i don't think she would have the mindset to appreciate an aged relic finish like on this one ... actually she wouldn't appreciate any guitar, even a PRS Modern Eagle Brazilian 10top limited edition handmade prefactory unplayed.
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Post by: samoth2 on October 25, 2007, 06:56:42 PM
Quote from: 38thBeatle
Now would I do that to Mrs 38th?


I don't think you would dare  :lol:
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Post by: noodleplugerine on October 25, 2007, 07:49:24 PM
Quote from: hunter
Quote from: 38thBeatle
Tell the Missus it is her present but would she mind if you "played it in" for her.


i don't think she would have the mindset to appreciate an aged relic finish like on this one ... actually she wouldn't appreciate any guitar, even a PRS Modern Eagle Brazilian 10top limited edition handmade prefactory unplayed.


You'd have to be an idiot not to appreciate a prefactory Modern Eagle - They don't even exist!
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Post by: Jonesy76 on October 25, 2007, 08:32:21 PM
I have a simple thing with my wife and guitars........


..........if she likes the look of the guitar I get to keep it! :D
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Post by: Johnny Mac on October 25, 2007, 10:34:40 PM
Hunters not coming out to play tonight, he's been a very naughty boy!!!
 :D  :wink:
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Post by: Philly Q on October 25, 2007, 10:42:43 PM
Oh, very nice!  :D   Welcome to Club Edwards, Mr Jaeger!

Quote from: hunter
I don't like the quality of push pull pots anyway.

Agreed, they have a nasty wobbly feel and the pot part doesn't usually work very well.  Keep it simple!
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Post by: hunter on October 25, 2007, 10:57:32 PM
Quote from: Philly Q
Oh, very nice!  :D   Welcome to Club Edwards, Mr Jaeger!


Yeah I did think of you when I  closed the deal Philly - can't wait to lay my hands on it and experience myself - very curious to see the aging, as that is very hard to tell in pictures. Seen the Vintage Peter Green last week and it looked wrong in many ways ... will see soon ...
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Post by: gingataff on October 26, 2007, 02:32:47 AM
They are great looking guitars, the aging is a little artificial when compared to how Fender or Gibson do it but with a lacquer top it should wear in nicely. Edwards have some new darker burst LPs (sorry I don't know the correct name for the colour) that are tempting me.
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Post by: hunter on October 26, 2007, 01:12:38 PM
Gingataff, why don't you take some orders from us here and then come over to Europe, pretending you're a rock star on tour and all these guitars are your live rig, so no customs/VAT needed?

Would be fab, and it would generate lots of business for the BareKnuckles, as all the Japanese strings would be in need for some British pickups  :twisted:
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Post by: dave_mc on October 26, 2007, 02:11:42 PM
excellent choice there hunter.

 :)
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Post by: indysmith on October 26, 2007, 02:20:28 PM
SWEET niiiice one hunter. I'm sure you'll be super-pleased with it (even if the wife isn't). Thing to do is hide ur epi, and say you sold a guitar (she'll be suprised and love you) - then when the new one comes, she won't mind too much because you've replaced ur shiny epi with a 'cr@ppy old guitar' - that was clearly dead cheap. Then if you really like the edwards, sell the epi...

Could work?
Welcome to Club Edwards!
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Post by: hunter on October 26, 2007, 02:54:39 PM
so sweet

I CANNOT WAIT

 8)
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Post by: Twinfan on October 26, 2007, 02:58:34 PM
It looks a bit like the relic job on my Tokai - not that realistic, but pleasing to the eye anyway  ;)

I really like my Tokai - you don't have to worry about adding any more dings!
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Post by: Philly Q on October 26, 2007, 03:51:45 PM
I read somewhere that they spray clear finish on these guitars after they do the relicing, which is a bit weird  :? .  But apparently the nitro finish wears in quite quickly, and then the relicing looks a lot more authentic.

I've seen some aged Japanese Strats where the relicing looked very fake - they'd just scr@ped lots of paint off all over the place and it looked nothing like natural wear patterns.  The JP LPs all seem to have the same relicing, so I guess they're copied from pics of his actual guitar.

It can't be easy to do an authentic relic finish.  I saw one of those Fender Rory Gallagher Tribute Strats up close, and it looked pretty phoney to be honest.
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Post by: Twinfan on October 26, 2007, 03:56:41 PM
There's a pair of the new Fender "Heavy Relic" Strats in my local music shop at the moment.  The wear on them looks awful given how much they cost - the Vintage brand Strats look very similar for one tenth of the price!
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Post by: Philly Q on October 26, 2007, 04:21:22 PM
The early Fender Relics were great though, before they got complicated and started offering all the Time Machine and Closet Classic options.  

I had a chance to buy a lovely lightweight sunburst '62 Relic Strat for £800 at a guitar show years ago, but while I was wandering around thinking about it someone else got it.  I've never seen one at that kind of price since (although I haven't really been looking).
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Post by: Henk on October 26, 2007, 07:27:34 PM
About the feeling guilty towards spending money on yourself i would suggest to just get over that, life will become much easier.

My wife isnt always that happy about the things i buy, but she knows i wont spend too much and thats enough for her, sometimes she does complain because we have other plans for the money and then i pass the GAS. If passing the GAS isnt an option i would probably show her the edwards but with the gibson logo and price tag, it does work with mine, well a bit...

Wonderfull axe, hope to hear a clip soon :wink:
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Post by: _tom_ on November 04, 2007, 11:50:49 PM
If I can ask, where did you get this from and how much did it cost you? I'm thinking about getting myself another LP and want a MIJ of some kind and dont know where to look. Ishibashi seems a bit dodgy, I cant understand their site at all :lol:
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Post by: Philly Q on November 05, 2007, 12:05:51 AM
Quote from: _tom_
Ishibashi seems a bit dodgy, I cant understand their site at all :lol:

Honestly Tom, Ishibashi isn't dodgy at all.  Yes, their site is hard to understand but - stating the obvious - it's Japanese  :wink: .

If you want to buy something - even if you can't find it on the site - the thing to do is to click on the "English" link and send them an email.  They'll get back to you with a price, a shipping quote and a link for making a secure credit card payment (they don't charge the card until the item ships).

The staff speak (or write!) very good English, keep you informed about progress of your order and you deal with the same person throughout the process (I'm sure all the lady assistants are incredibly cute too, but that may be my imagination running away with itself :oops: ).  They're 10 times better than most UK music shops I've dealt with.
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Post by: _tom_ on November 05, 2007, 12:16:01 AM
Can you direct me to the english part of the site, its all so confusing :lol: Katana Guitars seems nice but they dont have much of a selection.

edit - nevermind found the english page, just need to find the Les Pauls now :P
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Post by: Philly Q on November 05, 2007, 12:51:25 AM
This page (http://www.ishibashi.co.jp/webshop/guitar/esp/edwards/index.htm) lists all their Edwards stuff (I think), it's in Japanese but if you click on the individual items there are some details in English.  They can get hold of other models which aren't necessarily listed.

Then the "In English" link at the top right of the page takes you to the page with the English email address.
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Post by: Ted on November 05, 2007, 08:16:00 AM
Quote from: _tom_
Can you direct me to the english part of the site, its all so confusing :lol: Katana Guitars seems nice but they dont have much of a selection.

edit - nevermind found the english page, just need to find the Les Pauls now :P


You know you want it Tom...

http://www.ishibashi.co.jp/webshop/guitar/esp/edwards/elp85sdp.htm

Well I do anyway... :oops:
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Post by: Ted on November 05, 2007, 08:35:15 AM
Quote from: Philly Q
They can get hold of other models which aren't necessarily listed.



http://www.espguitars.co.jp/

This is a good link for other models.
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Post by: Henk on November 05, 2007, 09:13:57 AM
Oo

Those words 'Hard maple top'.

 :roll:
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Post by: Twinfan on November 05, 2007, 09:38:46 AM
I just wish they did a black LP Custom with a mahogany top  :(
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Post by: Henk on November 05, 2007, 08:44:01 PM
Quote from: Twinfan
I just wish they did a black LP Custom with a mahogany top  :(


The '54 Custom models have a mahagony top.
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Post by: dave_mc on November 05, 2007, 10:56:01 PM
Quote from: Philly Q
Honestly Tom, Ishibashi isn't dodgy at all.  Yes, their site is hard to understand but - stating the obvious - it's Japanese  :wink: .

If you want to buy something - even if you can't find it on the site - the thing to do is to click on the "English" link and send them an email.  They'll get back to you with a price, a shipping quote and a link for making a secure credit card payment (they don't charge the card until the item ships).

The staff speak (or write!) very good English, keep you informed about progress of your order and you deal with the same person throughout the process (I'm sure all the lady assistants are incredibly cute too, but that may be my imagination running away with itself :oops: ).  They're 10 times better than most UK music shops I've dealt with.


+1, ishibashi are great. I feel safer buying from them than most UK-based online websites.
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Post by: indysmith on November 05, 2007, 11:26:43 PM
Quote from: Twinfan
I just wish they did a black LP Custom with a mahogany top  :(

man you've been craving that for AGES. why are you so set on the mahogany top??
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Post by: Twinfan on November 06, 2007, 12:00:22 AM
Quote from: Henk
Quote from: Twinfan
I just wish they did a black LP Custom with a mahogany top  :(


The '54 Custom models have a mahagony top.


The Edwards ones have a maple top...
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Post by: Twinfan on November 06, 2007, 12:01:18 AM
Quote from: indysmith
Quote from: Twinfan
I just wish they did a black LP Custom with a mahogany top  :(

man you've been craving that for AGES. why are you so set on the mahogany top??


I find Les Pauls can be a bit bright sometimes.  A full chunky mahogany body should be SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOTH......
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Post by: Henk on November 06, 2007, 09:08:30 AM
Gibson also made an all mahagony les paul in week 33 (guitar of the week series), i tried it a few weeks ago and it was really nice, its now offered at a discount price( about 1000 english pounds), tempting tempting.

A mahagony top really smoothens things out i agree, but its still alot of cash allthough the resale value will probably be way better then an edwards i suppose.
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Post by: Woogie on November 06, 2007, 06:38:09 PM
Quote from: Twinfan
Quote from: indysmith
Quote from: Twinfan
I just wish they did a black LP Custom with a mahogany top  :(

man you've been craving that for AGES. why are you so set on the mahogany top??


I find Les Pauls can be a bit bright sometimes.  A full chunky mahogany body should be SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOTH......


Les Paul bright?
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Post by: Twinfan on November 06, 2007, 11:37:34 PM
Quote from: Woogie
Les Paul bright?


The good ones are, yes
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Post by: hunter on November 15, 2007, 06:50:15 PM
Just picked up my Jimmy Page Edwards. First impression after tuning up and having a go for about 20 minutes: Awesome!!!! And it is so light !!!!! Gotta go to rehearsal now, will write a more detailed review.

I guess it will get BKPs, at least in the bridge, but let's give those Duncans a try first, then I can still decide.
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Post by: Will on November 15, 2007, 08:43:13 PM
Theres one on UK eBay with super switching at the moment. £800.

veeery tasty
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Post by: Twinfan on November 15, 2007, 09:06:34 PM
Quote from: hunter
Just picked up my Jimmy Page Edwards. First impression after tuning up and having a go for about 20 minutes: Awesome!!!! And it is so light !!!!! Gotta go to rehearsal now, will write a more detailed review.

I guess it will get BKPs, at least in the bridge, but let's give those Duncans a try first, then I can still decide.


Top stuff!  I was wondering earlier today if you'd got it yet.....
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Post by: hunter on November 15, 2007, 10:56:15 PM
Ok, I've been through one rehearsal now, and I have to say that this guitar plays in a completely different league than my Epiphone or PRS SE singlecuts. The relic job is very authentic, all my band members thought I'd have bouhgt a 30 year old Les Paul. Love the looks and feel of this laquer finish, too. The instrument is much lighter than Epi or Baja, so I am moving much more while playing, it is responsive, snappy, crunchy, has so much clarity and treble - I guess it's the first time also I played rhythm actually on the "rhythm" pickup of a Les Paul.

It has a very chimey clean sound, even more so than my Baja Tele I think (might be wrong), and I can actually hear all details of multi string chords, which is actually very inspiring and makes me experiment much more.

This might all be the honeymoon effect and maybe I'll have a different opinion next week (wouldn't be the first time  :twisted: ) but I think I was very lucky and got a guitar that's much better than its price tag makes you think. It fits my style perfectly. Maybe a different bridge pickup will be apropriate - the SH-5 is a bit fizzy here and there, but at the moment I am enjoying the crispness of the overall instrument too much to change anything.

I will post clips to ask for advise on which pickup to use.
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Post by: Twinfan on November 16, 2007, 08:47:27 AM
Your description of your Edwards makes it sound very much like my Tokai Relic.  That guitar is very light, bright and clear.  I currently have an AIV Mule in the bridge and an AIV Stormy Monday on order for the neck.

The Tokai's bridge pickup sounds very different to the Mule in my Gibson - differences in weight/wood of the guitars coming into play here.  I like the contrast of the different LPs though.  My Tokai sounds like a bright SG and my Gibson sounds like four bright SGs running in parallel   :twisted:

If you want to keep the clarity, and still have something different to your other guitars, I'd suggest maybe a pair of AIV Stormy Mondays?
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Post by: hunter on November 16, 2007, 10:14:30 AM
Quote from: Twinfan
Your description of your Edwards makes it sound very much like my Tokai Relic.  That guitar is very light, bright and clear.  I currently have an AIV Mule in the bridge and an AIV Stormy Monday on order for the neck.

The Tokai's bridge pickup sounds very different to the Mule in my Gibson - differences in weight/wood of the guitars coming into play here.  I like the contrast of the different LPs though.  My Tokai sounds like a bright SG and my Gibson sounds like four bright SGs running in parallel   :twisted:

If you want to keep the clarity, and still have something different to your other guitars, I'd suggest maybe a pair of AIV Stormy Mondays?


Might be, but I have to say, it's not just bright, it's instead clear but has enough bottom end, but it's not a booming bottom, it's a tight low end.

Also the guitar just plazs so damn well. I realise that I don't like the high frets on most of my guitars. The Edwards came with frets that were rather low, like a guitar that has been played quite a bit. It is much easier to play.

Major benchmark: Suddenly those Page-licks are running off my fingers much smoother and easier, and the transparency is there to make those chords really blossom. The pickups are a bit bland, but the acoustic sound of the guitar is just so much better.

I am now officially joining Phillys Edwards fan club, that's for sure!
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Post by: Henk on November 17, 2007, 08:49:01 AM
Gratz on the edwards Hunter, would you campare the light mahagony body to korina tonewise?
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Post by: hunter on November 17, 2007, 02:24:11 PM
OK here we go, this is my new guitar, it's so much fun, I just can't stop playing!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpz35yFVqbQ
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Post by: samoth2 on November 17, 2007, 02:47:43 PM
When did you buy a Budda Superdrive?   :)
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Post by: hunter on November 17, 2007, 02:54:20 PM
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When did you buy a Budda Superdrive?   :)


Today, got a great deal on it - it absolutely rips. Now I feel REALLY guilty.

Hey but I am selling the Einstein and the Orange, so this will overcompensate the investment.
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Post by: samoth2 on November 17, 2007, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: hunter
Quote from: samoth2
When did you buy a Budda Superdrive?   :)


Today, got a great deal on it - it absolutely rips. Now I feel REALLY guilty.

Hey but I am selling the Einstein and the Orange, so this will overcompensate the investment.


Yeah I heard they are pretty amazing. I have considered getting an 18 when i need a prober amp.
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Post by: maverickf1jockey on November 17, 2007, 03:07:35 PM
Why are you having shot of the TT?
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Post by: hunter on November 17, 2007, 03:24:12 PM
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Why are you having shot of the TT?


Budda is EL84 too, so I have that flavour in perfection now. I love the TT but it's just not versatile enough for me, I need 2 channels and an FX loop to be happy.

I'm gonna miss it though ...  :cry:
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Post by: kevincurtis on November 19, 2007, 02:46:33 PM
Hi Fella, sounds fantastic and real nice playing too :) looks like I will have to add it to my list of MIJ possibles, and with one on ebay at mo I'm struggling to control the 'buy it now' impulse  :cry: