Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Woogie on October 30, 2007, 08:33:21 PM
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I know he's awesome etc but I just realised how beautiful his playing is/was. Listen to the 'Hollow' solo. It just flows so effortlessly and it really is packed with feeling. Anyway, not very important but I just had it on and thought I`d share my thoughts :).
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What I love about his solos is how they flow in a completely unconventional way. They kind of seem topsy-turvy, but when the whole lot comes together, wow!
Stunning player, and a real inspiration to many, many guitarists!
There's a whole lot of talk about "tone", especially regarding gear, but people so often forget that sheer skill alone contributes more to the end product than X pedal or Y speaker. Myself included.
R.I.P Dime, lost, but not forgotten!
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Dime was completely unique, he just did his own thing and had amazing groove and a br00tal tone.
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he was freaking awesome. All of his playing seemed to perfectly complement the rest of the song.
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There's a whole lot of talk about "tone", especially regarding gear, but people so often forget that sheer skill alone contributes more to the end product than X pedal or Y speaker. Myself included.
thats what dimebag always proves to me. he has fairly cr@p guitars, really bad pickups and a fairly bad amp but it still works!!
Most people playing with that gear would sound awfull
(yeah i know i threw quite a lot of personal gear opinion into that post!! :wink: )
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Dimebag is my metal GOD. The best metal player there ever was and ever will be.
I miss him more and more every day. I always hoped for an album that would throw-back to the first four Pantera albums, glam rock right up the wazoo!
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There's a whole lot of talk about "tone", especially regarding gear, but people so often forget that sheer skill alone contributes more to the end product than X pedal or Y speaker. Myself included.
thats what dimebag always proves to me. he has fairly cr@p guitars, really bad pickups and a fairly bad amp but it still works!!
Most people playing with that gear would sound awfull
(yeah i know i threw quite a lot of personal gear opinion into that post!! :wink: )
yeah but i think his tone really worked well with what he was playing. kind of like rhoads and his tone. not the greatest tones, but perfect for what they're doing.
and what's wrong with Deans?
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I $%&#ing love Deans - I'd sooner have an ML over a Les Paul any day of the week!
And his pickups weren't cr@p either, his idea of flipping the BL 500L (and later the XL model) around to reverse the magnets was frigging brilliant. Definately one of the key moments in Pantera's history to allow them those driving chugging riffs.
I think the only sticking point for Dimebag was how thin his tone was because of the zero mids but, y'know, it worked. It gave him a really standout tone and with the addition of an EQ for solos he was able to truly burst out and cut through the mix. It's a refreshing change compared to how generic and soundalike so many bands are these days. And the fact that he used solid state amps (up until Krank that is of course) simply because there wasn't a tube amp loud enough for him!!
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Well i have nothing against deans really - they are damn cheesy but as with all makes, there are good ones and bad ones!!
The xl500's are a bloody finicky pickup though. I have installed quite a few of them and never been happy. I have used both original bill lawrences direct from bill and i have used bill lawrence USA pickups from the company that uses his name.. and i had someone bring me a set of them that i couldnt identify as either
there is a lot of debate about which one dimebag actually used but it seems most likely to me that he used both. he liked them on the dean that he won in a competition so probably would have used the first ones he found when trying to equip his other guitars without any knowledge of the rivalry between the companies. The funny thing is that both companies have used the same photo to prove he used their pickup.
anyway, lots of people want them because they are after the dimebag tone but in my experience most are disappointed. But thats always the case when trying to get the tone of a certain artist.
i really dont like the Seymour duncan version - lets just leave that right there!
it definately works for dimebag - no arguments there! Most of us would finder it much harder to get a decent tone out of the exact same setup
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I don't mind the DImebucker... IF you're into that completely mid-less metal tone. If you want any mids, you're $%&#ed.
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I dont really like his tone that much but it wouldnt be Dime without that buzzy chainsaw type guitar sound! It got a bit fatter on the later albums I think. Anyway, my favourite metal guitarist who wrote some of the most stupidly heavy riffs, no one comes close (imho).
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excellent player. Not too fussed on his tone, but his playing is sublime... if you're allowed to call anything related to metal "sublime" without having your br00talz licence revoked, that is. :oops:
Sadly missed... :cry:
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Dime's best tone and work was on Trendkill, IMHO.
The BL XL500L was a great pickup. I had one. On Trendkill Dime used his signature Washburn Dime 3. Mahogany body, maple (slightly carved) top, black binding, yellow green sunburst finish. I saw one of the USA models in a shop once. Stunning guitar.
The solo's on that album are the most tastefull he ever did.
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I think Cemetary Gates (my favourite metal song EVER) can be branded a "classy" solo - he's able to demonstrate his playing but most of it is really melodic and tasteful.
Right, listening to CFH when I get home.
Everytime I use my Crybaby From Hell, I get the urge to grow a big bushy beard, dye it red and develop an unhealthy obsession with camo. :lol:
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I #$%!& love Deans - I'd sooner have an ML over a Les Paul any day of the week!
And his pickups weren't cr@p either, his idea of flipping the BL 500L (and later the XL model) around to reverse the magnets was frigging brilliant. Definately one of the key moments in Pantera's history to allow them those driving chugging riffs.
I think the only sticking point for Dimebag was how thin his tone was because of the zero mids but, y'know, it worked. It gave him a really standout tone and with the addition of an EQ for solos he was able to truly burst out and cut through the mix. It's a refreshing change compared to how generic and soundalike so many bands are these days. And the fact that he used solid state amps (up until Krank that is of course) simply because there wasn't a tube amp loud enough for him!!
How was it brilliant? The two coils in this pickup are the same. It shouldn't make any difference. Maybe he got a different unit from Bill Lawrence?
I don't mind Dime though the whole image whoring he had before and even worse AFTER his death is pissing me off a bit. Yeah he should be remembered, but should he be remembered as Dean's main marketing feature? Meh. Not a guitar hero for me, not an influence but definitely a good enough player. I still don't understand the brilliance of Walk but I surely get the break in This Love and the main riff in Cowboys from Hell.
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Iunno, but something was different. According to Dime, flipping the unit round does something. Apparently one of the blades is hotter than the other and rather than having the hot blade on the treble side, he preferred it on the bass.
(http://www.billlawrenceusa.com/index.8.jpg)
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the whole image whoring he had before and even worse AFTER his death is pissing me off a bit. Yeah he should be remembered, but should he be remembered as Dean's main marketing feature?
I agree with 99% of the positive comments about Dime but I too find it really disturbing that Dean are using him as a core marketing platform. The extent to which they rely on his image after his death just doesn't feel right. :?
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It's just ridiculous that now he's dead - Brands market him more than ever.
the Dunlop DFH wah, all of dean's shitee and countless other stuff.
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The Crybaby From Hell was already on sale during his lifetime though...
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The Crybaby From Hell was already on sale during his lifetime though...
I thought it was a really new thing?
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Nah, they've been around for a good few years - I've had mine at least two (DB-01) and they also sell a DB-02 which is preset to Dime's exact specs while the DB-01 is 100% customisable.
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the whole image whoring he had before and even worse AFTER his death is pissing me off a bit. Yeah he should be remembered, but should he be remembered as Dean's main marketing feature?
I agree with 99% of the positive comments about Dime but I too find it really disturbing that Dean are using him as a core marketing platform. The extent to which they rely on his image after his death just doesn't feel right. :?
yes this is pretty sickening, but his wife doesn't seem to care!!! She's adopted Trivium and those guys are loving all the Dime gear. I'm not buying what they're a-sellin'.
most of dime branded stuff its utter cr@p anyway, apart from the custom shop axes. (EDIT): IMO
One of the guys here had a deadly black razorback with a gold warpig... now that was pretty "sick" (must spend less time on US based forums).
I like dime he's a legendary guitarist. But I always have to spend first 10 minutes getting used to his tone. And yes I have all the classic Pantera as I am a huge Anselmo fan too. He's a crazy tw@t.
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yeah cemetery gates is straight up nasty. (must spend less time living in US)
and i think we can all agree Floods may not have the best solo ever, but definitely the coolest.
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the whole image whoring he had before and even worse AFTER his death is pissing me off a bit. Yeah he should be remembered, but should he be remembered as Dean's main marketing feature?
I agree with 99% of the positive comments about Dime but I too find it really disturbing that Dean are using him as a core marketing platform. The extent to which they rely on his image after his death just doesn't feel right. :?
yes this is pretty sickening, but his wife doesn't seem to care!!! She's adopted Trivium and those guys are loving all the Dime gear. I'm not buying what they're a-sellin'.
most of dime branded stuff its utter cr@p anyway, apart from the custom shop axes. (EDIT): IMO
One of the guys here had a deadly black razorback with a gold warpig... now that was pretty "sick" (must spend less time on US based forums).
I like dime he's a legendary guitarist. But I always have to spend first 10 minutes getting used to his tone. And yes I have all the classic Pantera as I am a huge Anselmo fan too. He's a crazy tw@t.
$5000 dean USA customshop Razorback with the burnt rusted metal paintjob.
Worst guitar I've ever played - But very sleek finish.
Just a shame it would cut out bends any bigger than a full step.
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I remember, in the time Trendkill came out, many people hated Dime. It was the time of grunge, alternative, no solo's and shoegazers. Now that he's dead, everybody loves him. :roll:
Did you know that the Dean ML is sold mostly to depressed teenagers? (according to last month's Guitar World) It's a far cry from the happy, go lucky Dimebag Darrel who made the ML famous.
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I have a Washburn Southern Cross (No. 15 of the original US run) which is a superb guitar, the only shame is that I can't play it in the house as it would slam into everything. :evil:
Beautifully made and I'm very glad that it was created in his lifetime, so it's not a posthumous cash in.
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Did you know that the Dean ML is sold mostly to depressed teenagers? (according to last month's Guitar World) It's a far cry from the happy, go lucky Dimebag Darrel who made the ML famous.
I wonder if that's because depressed teenagers are irresistibly drawn to the, er, tragic glamour of musicians who died young? (not that Dime was particularly young, really) Their predecessors 10 years earlier were all listening to Kurt Cobain and (possibly) buying Jagstangs.
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That's absolutely right.
I'm neither depressed nor a teenager and an ML is top of my list.
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I played one of the Dime guitars and thought it was pretty nice. Only used it through a Line 6 Spider (worst amp ever) so I dont really know how it sounded but the neck was comfy. I just looked like a tit with it on so I would never buy one :lol: Dunno if it was a Dean or Washburn - was the one with lightning like in the 5 Minutes Alone video I think.
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I played one of the Dime guitars and thought it was pretty nice. Only used it through a Line 6 Spider (worst amp ever) so I dont really know how it sounded but the neck was comfy. I just looked like a tit with it on so I would never buy one :lol: Dunno if it was a Dean or Washburn - was the one with lightning like in the 5 Minutes Alone video I think.
Dean Dean from hell.
and i'm going to get an ML, and i'm not depressed!
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I'm not a fan of all the marketing after his death but those Razorback V's are killer!
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Their predecessors 10 years earlier were all listening to Kurt Cobain and (possibly) buying Jagstangs.
damn - i think that was me!! never got around to buying a jagstang but i really wanted one!!
I was a big pantera fan as well but never really tried to play the stuff. I am and always have been a pants guitarist so nirvana is just about my level :wink:
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In my 'younger days' :roll: I was a massive Dimebag and Pantera fan.
For a few years I had a cherry red, korean made Dean ML that I put a Duncan Custom in the bridge of, and a 59 in the neck.
I always liked the guitar but eventually part exchanged it as it didn't really 'fit' me.
Trust me, those and Vs are the worst guitars to have if you're short with a gut like me :lol:
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I've been clinically depressed but looking like a TIT with a Dean would have only made things worse. (apologies to Dean owners) :roll: :wink:
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i don't get why people think they're going to look like jackasses or something playing a dean... its not like they're BC Riches...
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One word - Trivium.
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i don't get why people think they're going to look like jackasses or something playing a dean... its not like they're BC Riches...
Guilty as charged... I LOVE 80s pointy headstock BC Rich NOT those shite widow cr@p they have now.
Bernie Rico RULES!!
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i did nearly buy a old ml in the 90's. It had a 3 colour burst (green, red and yellow iirc) and a fully scalloped maple fretboard - strange looking thing but i had to stare at it for hours. It looked chessy but i still think of it as 'one that got away'
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Trust me, those and Vs are the worst guitars to have if you're short with a gut like me :lol:
Oops, and there's me thinking I look pretty $%&#in' bitchin' with my Vs. Never mind... :oops:
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the whole image whoring he had before and even worse AFTER his death is pissing me off a bit. Yeah he should be remembered, but should he be remembered as Dean's main marketing feature?
I agree with 99% of the positive comments about Dime but I too find it really disturbing that Dean are using him as a core marketing platform. The extent to which they rely on his image after his death just doesn't feel right. :?
yes this is pretty sickening, but his wife doesn't seem to care!!! She's adopted Trivium and those guys are loving all the Dime gear. I'm not buying what they're a-sellin'.
most of dime branded stuff its utter cr@p anyway, apart from the custom shop axes. (EDIT): IMO
One of the guys here had a deadly black razorback with a gold warpig... now that was pretty "sick" (must spend less time on US based forums).
I like dime he's a legendary guitarist. But I always have to spend first 10 minutes getting used to his tone. And yes I have all the classic Pantera as I am a huge Anselmo fan too. He's a crazy tw@t.
Darryl was'nt married, that's his girlfriend who seem's to have been/turned into a Sharon Osborne marketing machine now he's left us :evil: