Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: octavio_amzer on November 07, 2007, 04:43:58 AM
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a Nailbomb or a Painkiller?
They say that DC is not = output
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Theres a gnats nadger between them, but I'd say the nailbomb. Could be wrong though: I had them in the same guitar, one after the other, so height could well have been different.
They're very close though.
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Although the Painkiller has more output, I don't know if that makes it perceivably more powerful than the Nailbomb.
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Painkiller i would say...
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To my ears, the Painkiller has a fair amount more output than the Nailbomb, although I've not had them in the same guitar....
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T I've not had them in the same guitar....
I have. :)
I will re-listen to the recordings tonight of both pups and tell you what my subjective opinion is.
EDIT: I assume we're talking about bridge pups here?
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To my ears, the Painkiller has a fair amount more output than the Nailbomb, although I've not had them in the same guitar....
I have too and i would say Painkiller despite Nailbomb having a bigger DC resistance (or at least i think it does)
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to my knowledge, DC resistance has nothing to do with output
EDIT: Had to quote Mr Bill Lawrence :
"Rating Pickups with DC Resistance
DC resistance is NOT a power rating; it is the resistance of the wire in a pickup's coil at zero hertz, something that only occurs when the guitar isn't played. If some marketers use DC resistance as a power rating for an AC device, like a pickup, then they only show their ignorance. If we use DC resistance as a parameter, we disregard the fact that, due to Pe and other conditions that result in eddy currents, the effective resistance (Rac) is frequency dependant.
DC resistance (Rdc) tells you as much about a pickup's tone and output as the shoe size tells you about a person's intelligence! "
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I think that because the Painkiller has more of a peak in its response that it would seem to penetrate more (Ooh - Err! :oops: ) - sonically that is!.
In many ways a Mule might seem just as loud as a Nailbomb because it is a very dynamic pickup, but the Nailbomb will sound more saturated or seem to have more gain
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to my knowledge, DC resistance has nothing to do with output
EDIT: Had to quote Mr Bill Lawrence :
"Rating Pickups with DC Resistance
DC resistance is NOT a power rating; it is the resistance of the wire in a pickup's coil at zero hertz, something that only occurs when the guitar isn't played. If some marketers use DC resistance as a power rating for an AC device, like a pickup, then they only show their ignorance. If we use DC resistance as a parameter, we disregard the fact that, due to Pe and other conditions that result in eddy currents, the effective resistance (Rac) is frequency dependant.
DC resistance (Rdc) tells you as much about a pickup's tone and output as the shoe size tells you about a person's intelligence! "
In very general terms though, the higher the DC resistence the higher the output - you get a good idea of how hot the pickup is from the DC resistence.
:twisted:
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T I've not had them in the same guitar....
I have. :)
I will re-listen to the recordings tonight of both pups and tell you what my subjective opinion is.
EDIT: I assume we're talking about bridge pups here?
:) yes
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Just listened to the clips ...
Well, that was certainly enlightening.
In the same guitar and using the same amp & cab, playing the identical riff with the same mic/recording chain ---
The Nailbomb is more dynamic, with more space between the frequency ranges of bass, midrange, and treble.
The Painkiller is more focused, has a lot more lower midrange energy. It also sounds more compressed than the Nailbomb. It's not more nasal, but that lower midrange peak adds a good amount of 'chunk' to the tone.
And the winner is ...
To my ears the Nailbomb has more subjective power when you directly compare the two.
The Painkiller has a helluva lot more chunk and grind going on, however.
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Just listened to the clips ...
Well, that was certainly enlightening.
In the same guitar and using the same amp & cab, playing the identical riff with the same mic/recording chain ---
The Nailbomb is more dynamic, with more space between the frequency ranges of bass, midrange, and treble.
The Painkiller is more focused, has a lot more lower midrange energy. It also sounds more compressed than the Nailbomb. It's not more nasal, but that lower midrange peak adds a good amount of 'chunk' to the tone.
And the winner is ...
To my ears the Nailbomb has more subjective power when you directly compare the two.
The Painkiller has a helluva lot more chunk and grind going on, however.
:wink: thankyou so much