Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Twinfan on November 18, 2007, 07:13:22 PM
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Ok, OK, I have enough guitars already. Yes, I was only looking out for a mahogany topped Les Paul at the Liverpool Guitar Show today and I didn't expect to find one. I was right, there wasn't one there. So I bought this Japanese Signature Les Paul instead for no other reasons than I liked it and it was a bargain :oops:
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/junkacct/SignatureLPbodybottom.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/junkacct/SignatureLPbodytop.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/junkacct/SignatureLPfull.jpg)
Flame, flame, flame as far as the eye can see. SOLID flamed top, no veneer here. Mahogany back (two piece by the look of it). Grover tuners, nice dark and tight grained rosewood fingerboard. Came with a hard case and it's already had a boutique pickup upgrade (non-BKP so I won't advertise them here). Looks superb, plays superb and sounds superb.
£375 :o
I couldn't walk away at that price...................
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£375 :o
I couldn't walk away at that price...................
True...
...but you're still a bad, bad man. Fight that GAS, Dave! We need some kind of 12-Step Program.
Still, as long as you have more guitars than me, I don't feel so guilty. :wink:
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Ha ha - cheers Phil! These are superb guitars.
And check out that flame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Can I have one of your other LPs? :P
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AAARrrrrgggg ....noooooo.... tooo much GAS....... :lol:
Great looking guitar twinfan, i have seen that headstock before, it supposed to be very good and has no brandname right?
Like to hear more details, weight, tonecolour of the wood and so on please.
EDIT: Ah found the other thread here:
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5295
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Yeah man, guilty you are, now you must be destroyed :twisted:
The GAS is strong in you Twinfan, I can feel it. Cautious you must be to not be torn on the dark side of the GAS...
:roll:
Noice guitar indeed. I'm sure it plays nice, too by the looks of it.
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Weight wise, it's about the same as my Tokai LP - it's meaty but not shoulder breaking. I'd guess around 8.5lbs. I'll weigh it a bit later.
Tone wise it sits between two of my other Les Pauls. Not as full as my Gibson, but not as thin as my Tokai (comparitively - the Tokai doesn't sound like a Squier Tele ;))
Nice words Hunter :lol: I've just been playing it for a little while and it's awesome. Who needs a £3500 Gibson Custom Shop reissue when you can get something as superb as this for so little money?
My motto - a bunch of really great cheap guitars are better than one really good expensive one ;)
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I'd guess around 8.5lbs.
That's just about as light as you're going to get for a proper solidbody LP, isn't it?
My motto - a bunch of really great cheap guitars are better than one really good expensive one
Amen to that. :)
It's a lot more fun buying a cheap guitar and feeling you've got a bargain. Whereas with a £1,000 guitar you're always aware of how much it cost - was it really worth it? what if I drop it? what if it gets stolen?
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I've just weighed the Signature and it's 9lbs, exactly the same as my Tokai Relic. My Gibson is a chunky 10......
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"My motto - a bunch of really great cheap guitars are better than one really good expensive one"
I'm not so sure about that one, but that's just me :D
Guitar look great anyways Twinfan, i think i speak for everyone when i say clips!
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My Edwards is 8lbs 5oz, which I thought was pretty light - that was before I started messing about changing hardware, so it might be a little lighter now.
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My motto - a bunch of really great cheap guitars are better than one really good expensive one ;)
I know the dark side of the GAS is strong, but looks can be deceiving, just feel the GAS!
I've just weighed the Signature and it's 9lbs, exactly the same as my Tokai Relic. My Gibson is a chunky 10......
Ok thanks, i just found out the wood used also, all i needed to know.
Most important is that the guitar makes you play more.
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Guitar looks great anyways Twinfan, i think i speak for everyone when i say clips!
Cheers Joe. I haven't really got the gear to do clips I'm afraid, plus they're not BKP pickups so it wouldn't be right to post them here :)
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That looks very nice indeed.
btw, what's a veneer?
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when you put an expensive piece of wood over a cheaper bit, so that the beauty of the expensive wood is showing.
cheaper than buying a solid block of expensive wood
Its really thin though, like 1mm ish. Although presumably there are different thickness options
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A veneer is thin piece of decorative wood. On some Les Pauls they use plain maple for the top of the guitar, then add a thin fancy piece of maple on the top so it looks good.....
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Fight that GAS, Dave! We need some kind of 12-Step Program.
12 step program? What is that? Buy 12 more guitars and see if you still want more?
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Works for me.....
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Well done Dave...but you are a rascal.
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My local shop has a couple of these guitars in at the minute.
1 of them is a dark cherry red and the other is a Tobacco Sunburst 1. I've never played them myself, but they do look like nice guitars.
My local shop has them listed at about £575 though :roll:
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Music Ground at the show had a couple of new ones for £550 I think? Mine is used with the pickup upgrade, a hard case, and Hovland MusiCaps.
I think I got a good deal ;)
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My Jimmy Page Edwards is 7.7lb 8)
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All my LP's weigh about 10.1 lbs(+/- 0.1 lb), but my SG weighs only 5.2 lbs! All high density tonewoods though, and that simply is heavy.
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Damn Twinfan... now I want one even more than after Nick's thread... :cry:
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My Jimmy Page Edwards is 7.7lb 8)
Whoa - that's light! Very light! You sure it's a proper Les Paul ;)
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My Jimmy Page Edwards is 7.7lb 8)
Whoa - that's light! Very light! You sure it's a proper Les Paul ;)
maybe they use tone chambers like 'proper' Gibson ones :roll:
nice guitar Dave, you robbed them with that one.
:lol:
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My Jimmy Page Edwards is 7.7lb 8)
Whoa - that's light! Very light! You sure it's a proper Les Paul ;)
Hmmm, maybe I should ask someone to x-ray it one day ... but actually don't care. It's very well balanced , love the feel and the tone, I don't need more weight in a guitar body, I already have enough of it in mine :roll:
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nice guitar Dave, you robbed them with that one.
:lol:
You're telling me :lol: I can't get over how good it is.....
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Hmmm, maybe I should ask someone to x-ray it one day ... but actually don't care. It's very well balanced , love the feel and the tone, I don't need more weight in a guitar body, I already have enough of it in mine :roll:
Its easy to find out if you tap on the guitar body it should sound hollow at some places, just like how it sounds when tapping on the back where the pickups are.
I have read that the Edwards are made solid, but with a light mahagony (not to be confused with Korina which is a different kind mahagony) and a hard maple top(a louder clearer kind of tonewood) like most MIJ LP's are. This combo works very well for any not-too-midrangy music like rock for instance. Density(heavier) amplifies the characteristics of the wood a bit. A light mahagony body with a hard(dense) maple top will have more of a clear, fairly loud tone when compared to a heavy gibson LP.
There is some mahagony which has the rather exclusive 'sparkle' to the tone of the wood but after gain and effects i doubt most would hear that difference.
I personally have a bit of a fetish with these kind of things, all the different types of woods add something to the acoustic tone color. The combination of strings, pickup and wood, if picked in with a synergetic or even holistic approach can just be mindblowing. Learning to understand the complexity of tone and all its characteristics and properties can really enhance your sound IMO.
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sweet!
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Dave, I never weighed mine but it was sig. lighter than my LP Standard.
Enjoy!
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Nice guitar Twinfan, it's a steal at that price! :D
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You should see the flame in real life - it's PRS quality. I'm still speechless as to how little it cost yet how amazing it sounds! It's even got Mallory caps and high quality pots.......
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Nice guitar Twin!!!!
(hey, in english you use steal as cheap?????? in portuguese is when it's MUCH expensive [like Gibson Custom Shop])
:D
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(hey, in english you use steal as cheap?????? in portuguese is when it's MUCH expensive [like Gibson Custom Shop])
:D
We use it both ways - something very cheap is a steal, but something very expensive is daylight robbery!
It depends who's doing the stealing. :wink:
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:) Thank you Mr Q!
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You should see the flame in real life - it's PRS quality. I'm still speechless as to how little it cost yet how amazing it sounds! It's even got Mallory caps and high quality pots.......
that sounds pretty good, it was new, right?
do they make anything other than LP copies?
do they have a website?
(don't get me wrong, i'm happy with my edwards, but i'm always on the lookout for something else...)
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It was used, they only made LP copies and they don't make them any more. It was a one small run kinda ararngement....
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ah, ok. That makes me feel a little better. :) For a minute I was starting to think it was better value than my edwards... :lol:
Cheers Dave.
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For a minute I was starting to think it was better value than my edwards... :lol:
It is ;)
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For a minute I was starting to think it was better value than my edwards... :lol:
It is ;)
This particular guitar is, but I shouldn't think Signatures in general are any better value than Edwards in general. Or maybe they are... I've never played a Sig.
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I'm comparing the Sig to my Tokai so it's a reasonable comparison to say an Edwards would be similar to the Tokai. I prefer the Sig and in a back-to-back last night with my 1996 Gibson Standard and I couldn't say which was the better guitar, on any level. They are equal.
Except the Sig cost me 1/4 of the price...
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After surviving the initial cost of my '76 LP Custom with Mules, im enjoying these discussions very much! :guitar4:
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It is ;)
yeah, but you found it second hand. :)
i'd say my edwards is not just as nice as the relic tokai i tried (so assuming your relic tokai is similar), that would suggest the sig is nicer than the edwards... however, considering your sig was £375 second-hand, that'd translate to about £500-£600 new, which is more than my edwards was.
I think that makes sense. :)
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Yeah, but if your Edwards was imported officially into the UK it'd cost £600+.
So I win ;)
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:lol:
touche. luckily mine wasn't. :)
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This is going to be a bargain for someone. I bid up to £300, but if it goes for the current £310 or slightly more then someone's going to get a great deal. Even if it is a plain top ;)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320183655435
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Went for 360 pounds, thats rediculous, the pickups only would cost about 180 pounds.
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Went for 360 pounds, thats rediculous, the pickups only would cost about 180 pounds.
Serves him right, the way he listed it wasn't too clever:
"japanese guitar, not gibson or tokai , classic 57 pu"
I never would have found that, I always search for specific items. And when I search for, say, "Bare Knuckle pickups" and get "Guitar pickups NOT Bare Knuckle" I always think "f*ck you, matey". :evil:
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Ive heard they say 'not gibson etc' because if they not state that clearly, a copy still is a fake in legal terms.
Sounds stupid because you know your guitars, but someone who suffers from thickness of the skull might just think it is a real gibson for 360 pounds.....
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It shows that BKP is really gaining a name for itself though atleast.
The weirdist thing is the idiots that think Bare Knuckle means an uncovered pickup.
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Ive heard they say 'not gibson etc' because if they not state that clearly, a copy still is a fake in legal terms.
I think they say "not Gibson" because people who search for "Gibson" will find their listing. :?
Surely it's only a fake if you actually put a Gibson logo on it? I know Gibson and Fender don't like other manufacturers copying their headstock and body shapes, and do whatever they can to prevent (or hinder) it. But I'm sure the "copies" aren't illegal - you can buy Tokais (for example) from loads of respectable dealers.
If you have a guitar that says "Signature" on the headstock and you advertise a "Signature guitar for sale", I don't see how that can possibly be construed as passing it off as a Gibson.
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This is going to be a bargain for someone. I bid up to £300, but if it goes for the current £310 or slightly more then someone's going to get a great deal. Even if it is a plain top ;)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320183655435
I checked it out, for curiosity's sake. And in the product description, the seller says this;
If you buy an E.......one, you are dumb, check out a proper guitar
I like how he insults the potential buyers ;) Must be very confident in his auction, heh.
EDIT: Spelling.
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Ive heard they say 'not gibson etc' because if they not state that clearly, a copy still is a fake in legal terms.
I think they say "not Gibson" because people who search for "Gibson" will find their listing. :?
Ah yes, that would sound more likely, then again that would also be very offputting like you said.
In any case it kind off shows keeping an eye out for second hand MIJ LP's can really save you alot of cash, this one was a steal.
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In any case it kind off shows keeping an eye out for second hand MIJ LP's can really save you alot of cash, this one was a steal.
It's true, congratulations to whoever bought it! :)
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Ok, now im actually wondering what cars you drive with all this talk about money :lol:
I bid up to £300, but if it goes for the current £310 or slightly more then someone's going to get a great deal. Even if it is a plain top
@Twinfan: Im not a stranger to bartering and getting a really good deal on stuff, but bidding on a guitar you just bought is really too much, youre definately in the danger zone IMO :lol:
Ive got to watch out also though, saw this Marshall JCM800 4210(with 1 G12H 100 speaker!) combo up for grabs, now i have to recover from yet another GAS attack :cry: .
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Well I thought it might be good to get another. £300 was my absolute limit though. If I'd had £360 I probably would have bid up to that, but having not played that particular guitar I wasn't going to gamble.
Plus it was a plain top ;)
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OK i do understand, BUT i have often had the problem that when i had a chance to buy something really exeptional i didnt have the cash at that moment fo example. For instance, the '73 SG i bought cost me 500 pounds so the difference isnt that big.....
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Beautiful guitar.
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Thanks matey. It plays and sounds as good as it looks ;)
I haven't seen another with a flame top like it.....