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Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: MDV on December 02, 2007, 05:08:51 AM
http://www.newenglandconservatory.ed...hbyGebrian.pdf

And here was me thinking I was crazy because I can figure things our by air guitaring them, and can play something badly one day, and way better a day or two later with no practice in between.
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: sambo on December 02, 2007, 10:18:22 AM
well the link was broken for me, but I googled it and think I find out what you referring to...

http://www.newenglandconservatory.edu/studentLife/documents/PracticingandCurrentBrainResearchbyGebrian.pdf

Is that the one?

Extremely interesting- thanks for that Mark!
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: 38thBeatle on December 02, 2007, 11:53:19 AM
That was interesting-thanks to both. I definitely concur with the learning slow thingy to kick off with.
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: dave_mc on December 02, 2007, 03:55:19 PM
excellent article- i've always said practicing for hours on end was retarded. I'd play for an hour then go to sleep on it, and be able to play it much better the next day.

That bit about mental practicing was interesting too- I do that as well.

:)
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: machine_of_god on December 02, 2007, 05:59:55 PM
That was a really interesting read. Thanks for that  :)
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: plastercaster on December 02, 2007, 06:07:08 PM
Very interesting
Not sure about you lot, but if I hear a piece of music I can play, I start playing it just with my fingers, even if both hands are in my pockets- and it's subconscious. I guess this explains why.

I read an interview with John Frusciante a while ago, who said that meditating for two hours a day had really helped him, because doing someting boring makes it easier to focus on something you like, such as music. This seems to be the sciencey explanation, that while you're meditating or whatever, you're doing mental practice. I'd like to know more though- what does mental practice actually involve?
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: sambo on December 02, 2007, 06:15:27 PM
Yeah I always tap rhythms with my fingers when I hear music... (annoys my mates quite a lot :lol: :oops:)

Strange that is.


I'd also like to know what the differences are between a musical and a non-musical person in the first place... as in, why do some people take to it far better than others... ?
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: 38thBeatle on December 02, 2007, 06:17:48 PM
A non musical person can often be seen behind a drum kit  ( yeah I know, someone had to say it so I thought I'd get it out of the way).
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: MDV on December 02, 2007, 11:53:18 PM
Thanks for finding a working link sambo!

That one seems to work for a handfull of the people I sent it too, but not for me anymore either!

Hmmmm bored moments in work, at meetings, being talked at by morons....think about playing guitar! It will actually help!!!
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: 808 on December 03, 2007, 01:47:31 AM
Quote from: 38thBeatle
A non musical person can often be seen behind a drum kit  ( yeah I know, someone had to say it so I thought I'd get it out of the way).
Buwahaha....good one mate!

Interesting read....thanks for the link.

That explains why I can work on a piece of music, get frustrated with it, leave it alone for a few days, and then play it perfectly. That always fascinated me.
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: Roho on December 03, 2007, 04:32:52 PM
[Bill & Ted]

W'oh!

[/Bill & Ted]



Very interesting indeed! Especially since I've been cutting into my sleep in order to practice more often, breaking my practice sessions into two a day. Lately, I practice from roughly 8:30 at night till 9:30. Then, I awake at 4:30 am, shower, practice from 5 am to 5:30 am, before heading to work.  Now, with mental practice, I can practice at work, too! Or, should I take a nap at work?
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: Johnny Mac on December 03, 2007, 09:15:13 PM
Quote from: Roho
[Bill & Ted]

W'oh!

[/Bill & Ted]



Very interesting indeed! Especially since I've been cutting into my sleep in order to practice more often, breaking my practice sessions into two a day. Lately, I practice from roughly 8:30 at night till 9:30. Then, I awake at 4:30 am, shower, practice from 5 am to 5:30 am, before heading to work.  Now, with mental practice, I can practice at work, too! Or, should I take a nap at work?


I used to cut sleep to practise and although it accelerated the techniques I was practising, it sent me mad as a box of frogs!!  :lol:
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: Roho on December 03, 2007, 09:41:01 PM
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: Roho
[Bill & Ted]

W'oh!

[/Bill & Ted]



Very interesting indeed! Especially since I've been cutting into my sleep in order to practice more often, breaking my practice sessions into two a day. Lately, I practice from roughly 8:30 at night till 9:30. Then, I awake at 4:30 am, shower, practice from 5 am to 5:30 am, before heading to work.  Now, with mental practice, I can practice at work, too! Or, should I take a nap at work?


I used to cut sleep to practise and although it accelerated the techniques I was practising, it sent me mad as a box of frogs!!  :lol:




A little madness might make my guitar playing more interesting. Not as interesting as a box of frogs......(I have to say I have never heard that one before. I chuckled).....
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: HTH AMPS on December 03, 2007, 09:59:43 PM
So thats why I could never play that impossible shite Vai makes look SO easy - I just need plenty of sleep and to practice the fingerings mentally.

I'll be posting Eugene's Trick Bag in seven days - see you all then.

 :roll:  :lol:
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: Johnny Mac on December 03, 2007, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: Roho
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: Roho
[Bill & Ted]

W'oh!

[/Bill & Ted]



Very interesting indeed! Especially since I've been cutting into my sleep in order to practice more often, breaking my practice sessions into two a day. Lately, I practice from roughly 8:30 at night till 9:30. Then, I awake at 4:30 am, shower, practice from 5 am to 5:30 am, before heading to work.  Now, with mental practice, I can practice at work, too! Or, should I take a nap at work?


I used to cut sleep to practise and although it accelerated the techniques I was practising, it sent me mad as a box of frogs!!  :lol:




A little madness might make my guitar playing more interesting. Not as interesting as a box of frogs......(I have to say I have never heard that one before. I chuckled).....


Well you can get more practise in, you may even end up mad as a cake!
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: 808 on December 04, 2007, 12:05:17 AM
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: Roho
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: Roho
[Bill & Ted]

W'oh!

[/Bill & Ted]



Very interesting indeed! Especially since I've been cutting into my sleep in order to practice more often, breaking my practice sessions into two a day. Lately, I practice from roughly 8:30 at night till 9:30. Then, I awake at 4:30 am, shower, practice from 5 am to 5:30 am, before heading to work.  Now, with mental practice, I can practice at work, too! Or, should I take a nap at work?


I used to cut sleep to practise and although it accelerated the techniques I was practising, it sent me mad as a box of frogs!!  :lol:




A little madness might make my guitar playing more interesting. Not as interesting as a box of frogs......(I have to say I have never heard that one before. I chuckled).....


Well you can get more practise in, you may even end up mad as a cake!
Mmmmm.....cake!
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: Roho on December 04, 2007, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: Roho
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: Roho
[Bill & Ted]

W'oh!

[/Bill & Ted]



Very interesting indeed! Especially since I've been cutting into my sleep in order to practice more often, breaking my practice sessions into two a day. Lately, I practice from roughly 8:30 at night till 9:30. Then, I awake at 4:30 am, shower, practice from 5 am to 5:30 am, before heading to work.  Now, with mental practice, I can practice at work, too! Or, should I take a nap at work?


I used to cut sleep to practise and although it accelerated the techniques I was practising, it sent me mad as a box of frogs!!  :lol:




A little madness might make my guitar playing more interesting. Not as interesting as a box of frogs......(I have to say I have never heard that one before. I chuckled).....


Well you can get more practise in, you may even end up mad as a cake!



It's becoming obvious I may need to invest in a Britionary.
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: Johnny Mac on December 04, 2007, 10:38:49 PM
Quote from: Roho
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: Roho
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: Roho
[Bill & Ted]

W'oh!

[/Bill & Ted]



Very interesting indeed! Especially since I've been cutting into my sleep in order to practice more often, breaking my practice sessions into two a day. Lately, I practice from roughly 8:30 at night till 9:30. Then, I awake at 4:30 am, shower, practice from 5 am to 5:30 am, before heading to work.  Now, with mental practice, I can practice at work, too! Or, should I take a nap at work?


I used to cut sleep to practise and although it accelerated the techniques I was practising, it sent me mad as a box of frogs!!  :lol:




A little madness might make my guitar playing more interesting. Not as interesting as a box of frogs......(I have to say I have never heard that one before. I chuckled).....


Well you can get more practise in, you may even end up mad as a cake!



It's becoming obvious I may need to invest in a Britionary.


Yes it may be required or you'll go doolally or proper barking!
 :lol:
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: maverickf1jockey on December 05, 2007, 06:38:25 AM
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: Roho
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: Roho
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: Roho
[Bill & Ted]

W'oh!

[/Bill & Ted]



Very interesting indeed! Especially since I've been cutting into my sleep in order to practice more often, breaking my practice sessions into two a day. Lately, I practice from roughly 8:30 at night till 9:30. Then, I awake at 4:30 am, shower, practice from 5 am to 5:30 am, before heading to work.  Now, with mental practice, I can practice at work, too! Or, should I take a nap at work?


I used to cut sleep to practise and although it accelerated the techniques I was practising, it sent me mad as a box of frogs!!  :lol:




A little madness might make my guitar playing more interesting. Not as interesting as a box of frogs......(I have to say I have never heard that one before. I chuckled).....


Well you can get more practise in, you may even end up mad as a cake!



It's becoming obvious I may need to invest in a Britionary.


Yes it may be required or you'll go doolally or proper barking!
 :lol:
Cobblers.
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: kevincurtis on December 05, 2007, 12:40:46 PM
Just to go away from the britishims for a second... John Sloboda has done a lot of work on music and cognition, so if you are interested in such things, then check out his books. Tally ho chaps...b*gger  :D
Title: learning and brain activity in musicians
Post by: Roho on December 05, 2007, 04:48:20 PM
I think you guys are starting to invent words, now. Or is that c--kney?

Sorry for hijacking the thread.