Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: sambo on December 04, 2007, 10:29:23 PM
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Short and sweet:
Anyone know anything about them?
I've been looking into various Japanese brands recently and these seem to be quite a well-respected name. Anyone ever tried one? Les Paul model ideally.
Another helpful thing would be what sort of price they should go for. Particularly the "Live Road" Les Paul series.
Cheers if anyone has any info!
Sam.
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Havent a clue. Dont know why I posted :?
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Havent a clue. Dont know why I posted :?
I'm with him!
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Helpful as ever guys! :lol: :D
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They're a high-end ESP brand I think? Used to be independent and then bought by ESP. They're a step up from an Edwards I belileve.
What you been looking at Sambo?
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They're a high-end ESP brand I think? Used to be independent and then bought by ESP. They're a step up from an Edwards I belileve.
What you been looking at Sambo?
I don't think so :/ I reckon you might be getting confused with Navigator
i found this:
Bacchus Guitars and Basses were founded by a company named “Headway,” that started making acoustic
guitars back in 1977. By 1981, they decided to join the ranks of Japanese electric guitar makers, and build
lawsuit Stratocasters, to start. In 1991, Headway started “Deviser,” their division of unique and very high-end
original-series electric guitars. Their motto was “devising the future,” hence their name “Deviser.”
Deviser made a lot of their own original pickups and electronics, a technique that other Japanese companies
usually didn’t do. So most Bacchus/Deviser/Headway guitars and basses are fully-equipped with original parts,
which I think is really cool. They make ALL of their own stuff, and believe me, their pickups sound amazing. The
Fender replica single-coils really capture the Fender tone and the Gibson replica PAF’s sound like PAF’s! Some
special models come stock with Lindy Fralin pickups, or sometimes the basses come with Bartolini pickups stock.
The woods Bacchus uses are extremely expensive and rare woods. The grain on the wood they use is amazing
on every model. They bookmatch woods that aren’t one piece, and use high-quality nitrocellulose for the finishes
on most mid-range to high-end models.
Bacchus makes a “Universe” series that really captures the idea of extraordinary Bacchus guitars without the
high price. They are really popular for their tone and playability, too.
Of all Japanese companies making bass guitars, Bacchus is by far the best. They make the most amazing
basses I’ve ever seen or heard. I have one and it gets lots of offers and compliments wherever I take it.
For more information about Bacchus guitars and basses, visit their website HERE.
(the website link didnt work)
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I don't know much about them, but I've studied pictures of them and they look very well made. They do some unusual stuff rather than just the usual "copies". Almost like a high-end custom-shop - I saw a nice hollow-body LP which even had the luthier's name on a little metal plate.
I haven't heard about the ESP connection.
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Indy- yeah I found that too.
As for the ESP connection I don't have a clue!
And Philly that's exactly what I was thinking. From all the pictures I've seen and the very little info I've managed to find, they seem to be really VERY good.
DAVE, been looking at all the usual MIJ LP suspects. Having already got a Burny I was looking to try something different. Probably around Christmas/January time when I've got some cash. Few hundred/perhaps slightly in excess of £500.
Here's one of the Bacchus' I found:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190180449604&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=009
I asked Philly the same thing, but if you were going to get an LP of some kind tomorrow... what would you go for and why?
Cheers guys,
sam.
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Here's one of the Bacchus' I found:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190180449604&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=009
Looking at the construction details there - the fretting, inlays, pickup routing, nut, shape of the neck heel - that's very similar to an Edwards LP. Japanese workmanship is extremely consistent! :)
The difference may be that Bacchus guitars use premium timbers, I just don't know.
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Yeah apparently the timber quality is one of their plus points according to a couple of sites I've found.
Hmmmm maybe worth a punt!?
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Sorry - I got the ESP connection wrong. I was thinking of Navigator. :oops:
The woods look good on that Bacchus, but it's a bit plain looking and fairly pricey by the time you ship it and pay taxes.
I'd try and hunt down a Signature Les Paul. Made in Japan to top specs and relatively unknown so the prices are cheap. I know of three plain tops that have sold recently and the prices were:
£340 with case and Classic '57 pickups
£370 with case and Gibson USA pickups
£400 with case and humbucker sized P-90s
I know of a quilt top for sale in a shop at £449 without a case that seems nice if you like the wood (I'm not keen on quilts on an LP).
And there's my COMPLETE robbery of a flame top for £375 with case and PAF-style pickups ;)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/junkacct/SignatureLPbodybottom.jpg)
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That flame-top is very nice indeed. And that's coming from a hater of all things flame :lol:.
Quilt tops.... those two words together bring me dangerously close to vomiting... :lol:
Have you got a website link? Maybe it's not as bad as I'm picturing in my head! :)
If you see any more come up shoot a PM my way A.S.A.P!
cheers,
sam.
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I'd try and hunt down a Signature Les Paul. Made in Japan to top specs and relatively unknown so the prices are cheap.
Sam, I told you Dave would mention Signatures! :wink: :lol:
They do look great though!
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:lol:
They do look great indeed.
Especially the satin cherry-finish ones (if you can find one).
I'm into the boring finishes you see, hence why I like the Bacchus, which as Dave said, is extremely plain. :lol:
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There was a cherry one on guiatarbitz.com the other day. Looks like it's sold though :(
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Sam, I told you Dave would mention Signatures! :wink: :lol:
For the price they can't be beaten. Seriously great guitars.
A Tokai LS75F or LS85F is also great value for money at £599.
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Yup that was the site I had bookmarked!
It's been there for yonks, and now when I'm in the market to buy something.... it sells!!!! :evil:
This looks very nice:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mint-ESP-EDWARDS-E-LP-117CTM-Abalone-Inlay-EMG-PUs_W0QQitemZ230198776719QQihZ013QQcategoryZ33038QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
By the way guys, how much do you get stung in terms of import tax/duty or whatever?
A mate of mine got hit quite badly a couple of years ago when he imported something from the states.
Phil when you bought your Edwards' what was price + shipping + tax?
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Shipping is usally around £75 I think?
It's then around 23% of the total guitar + shipping price you have to pay in tax. That's 17.5% VAT on both, then 3.7% import duty on top of ALL that!
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Phil when you bought your Edwards' what was price + shipping + tax?
As Dave said above, you need to allow for VAT, Customs duty and there's also a Parcelforce admin fee (usually £13.50).
If you buy a guitar for, say, £450 (including about £70 for shipping), you should expect to pay a little over £100 in additional charges when it reaches the UK. It's hard to work out exactly because you don't know what exchange rate Customs will apply.
My Edwards guitars are all different so the prices varied, of course, but the most it's cost me, in total, was about £550 - that's on a guitar starting at $770 (£385 approx, before shipping), and I think I may have paid £12 for Saturday delivery.
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Yup that was the site I had bookmarked!
It's been there for yonks, and now when I'm in the market to buy something.... it sells!!!! :evil:
This looks very nice:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mint-ESP-EDWARDS-E-LP-117CTM-Abalone-Inlay-EMG-PUs_W0QQitemZ230198776719QQihZ013QQcategoryZ33038QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
By the way guys, how much do you get stung in terms of import tax/duty or whatever?
A mate of mine got hit quite badly a couple of years ago when he imported something from the states.
Phil when you bought your Edwards' what was price + shipping + tax?
That's a really nice LP Sam!
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Yup that was the site I had bookmarked!
It's been there for yonks, and now when I'm in the market to buy something.... it sells!!!! :evil:
This looks very nice:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mint-ESP-EDWARDS-E-LP-117CTM-Abalone-Inlay-EMG-PUs_W0QQitemZ230198776719QQihZ013QQcategoryZ33038QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
By the way guys, how much do you get stung in terms of import tax/duty or whatever?
A mate of mine got hit quite badly a couple of years ago when he imported something from the states.
Phil when you bought your Edwards' what was price + shipping + tax?
That's a really nice LP Sam!
wtf yu chattin' bout? all that abalone! - it's putrid
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I don't know much about them, but I've studied pictures of them and they look very well made. They do some unusual stuff rather than just the usual "copies". Almost like a high-end custom-shop - I saw a nice hollow-body LP which even had the luthier's name on a little metal plate.
I haven't heard about the ESP connection.
+1
I've heard very good things about bacchus, but never tried (or even seen) one.
I think someone over at HC has one, and says it's excellent.
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Hahaha Abalone can look cool some times... and that is one of those times. :D
Thanks for the shipping/duty info guys. That gives me a much clearer picture in my head of what I will be able to afford.
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Yup that was the site I had bookmarked!
It's been there for yonks, and now when I'm in the market to buy something.... it sells!!!! :evil:
This looks very nice:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mint-ESP-EDWARDS-E-LP-117CTM-Abalone-Inlay-EMG-PUs_W0QQitemZ230198776719QQihZ013QQcategoryZ33038QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
By the way guys, how much do you get stung in terms of import tax/duty or whatever?
A mate of mine got hit quite badly a couple of years ago when he imported something from the states.
Phil when you bought your Edwards' what was price + shipping + tax?
That's a really nice LP Sam!
wtf yu chattin' bout? all that abalone! - it's putrid
abalone is pretty mank, but it's more subtle on that than those horrid ESP ones.
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Bacchus do also have a very cheap budget range which is probably on a level with Squier, so be careful. I wouldn't buy a Bacchus without trying it as their range really does start at beginner and go up to something approximate to Ibanez J-Custom level. Not quite like top level Japanese guitars such as Combat, Dragonfly, ESP, Deviser, T's, etc.
PS, as for the ESP connection, I haven't heard that before but seeing as ESP own everything from the Musicians Institute in LA and Schecter guitars to radio stations, I believe it's possible.
Edited for shocking late night spelling.
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Haha cheers Ginga.
No way of me trying a Bacchus like... ever... :lol:
So yeah.
I'm leaning towards a Signature or some kind of Edwards.
Will have to see if a Sig. turns up anywhere basically!
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Good choice ;)
I'm really curious to know how many flame tops they made. I'd love another in a different colour burst........
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Yeah me too.
I've never been a fan of traditional sunbursts, but I saw a gorgeous honeyburst Signature on Ebay a few months ago.... very VERY nice.
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If you want to avoid the joys of customs charges, and would tolerate a Burney how about http://mcguitars.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=62, personally although I'm not a Jimmy Page fan but even I have to say these look pretty damned nice http://mcguitars.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14_12&products_id=53
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Thanks for that Rob.
Had just come across Mc Guitars actually.
Enquiring about one of their Epi Juniors as we speak! :D
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I have to agree with twinfan on the signature les paul. I have one awaiting some crawlers, and i must say i love it. Oh and it's also a honeyburst 8)
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Dave - whats the best source of the Signature LP's such as the one you snagged, cant find any info on them anywhere?!Thanks Ted :)
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Hi Ted,
They're not making any more. They were a limited run for the UK that's long finished. eBay is you best bet.
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Hi Ted,
They're not making any more. They were a limited run for the UK that's long finished. eBay is you best bet.
Thanks, I'll have a butchers.
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I have to agree with twinfan on the signature les paul. I have one awaiting some crawlers, and i must say i love it. Oh and it's also a honeyburst 8)
Where did you pick up yours Buddha?
I lurrrv Honeybursts!
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Amazingly enough, a local guitar shop. :o
I walked in looking at some acoustics, and I saw this with the electrics. It was too good an offer to turn down so i picked it up, played it, and loved it the second I did. It is a quilt though, i'll try and get some pictures up if you would like sambo. Apparently only 180 honeyburst quilt tops were made by signature, and i was amazed to see a signature in the guitar shop, especially after hearing about dakine's a long time ago, and how hard it is to get any information on them.
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Hey Buddha - do you know how many Sigs were made in total? Or the numbers of other colours/tops?
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Dave, I saw a signature LP in Leeds Musicground for £499. It was a lemondrop/brown ish colour and the burst was very very subtle. Quite nice guitar but the neck seemed too skinny and the frets were tiny, like only 1.5-2mm off the fretboard. If the neck was a bit fatter and the frets bigger I might have bought it. What is the neck and frets on yours like?
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Sounds similar to mine. The neck is more 60s Gibson than 50s, and it's slick to play with low frets.
Was it a flame/quilt/plain top? Much figuring?
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Thanks for that Rob.
Had just come across Mc Guitars actually.
Enquiring about one of their Epi Juniors as we speak! :D
Heh theyre only about 8 miles up the road from me these days, so I will have to get around to paying them a visit (I'm lusting after a nice tele or LP DC these days)
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It was a flame top and it had quite strong grains running in both directions. The neck profile was about the same width as my LP studio but a lot shallower and overall it felt very small. It's a very nice guitar but the neck might be a problem for some. Tokai necks are very fat and chunky and some may prefer them.
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...quite strong grains running in both directions...
Not as strong as mine then? (blatant excuse to post flame top pic ;))
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/junkacct/SignatureLPbodybottom.jpg)
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lol the sideways flame wasn't as strong but the vertical ones were stronger :P
A bit like this one
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb32/kink56/R9unburst.jpg)
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There's far too much flaming going on in this thread... :P
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this might have been posted already, but i don't have the patience to scroll through all the comments.
I think this might be their official site.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.deviser.co.jp/bacchus/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=10&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DBacchus%2BGuitars%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
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A tele now Rob? Nice.
And LazyNinja is that Signature still in Musicground?
Sounds right up my street that does.
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is that Signature still in Musicground?
Sounds right up my street that does.
It is - spoke to them about it earlier ;)
It's a quilt top though, so I've passed. I wonder if it's the one that I played in Manchester recently and they've moved it to the Leeds store? :?:
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sorry twinfan, no numbers regarding manufacturing output, or the different colours/tops. I have to say though, that i never liked quilts either, until i saw this one lol
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Ok sorry if I was being the source of mis-info. :oops: I admit I can't remember if it was a flame or a quilt, but either way the pattern wasn't that strong I think. Not a nasty tacky quilt as some.
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It is - spoke to them about it earlier ;)
Ah wicked, cheers. Did you manage to give it a test-run?
Is it hideously quilty or acceptable quilty? :lol:
Cheers.
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Just found this guy on ebay seling a few interesting items:
http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZuitacoom
K
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It is - spoke to them about it earlier ;)
Ah wicked, cheers. Did you manage to give it a test-run?
Is it hideously quilty or acceptable quilty? :lol:
Cheers.
I only spoke to them on the phone, so I've no idea what that particular guitar is like...
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Ah cool.
Kevin- Just been looking at that guys ebay shop actually, has some very nice stuff.
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OK, sorry to bump up an old thread but I went to Musicground and saw the Signature LP again, and guess what? It wasn't a quilt, it was a flame, so I was right! MG talks rubbish once again!
Took some pics for you guys if still interested:
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/Kaz2550/DSC00490.jpg)
The vertical grains:
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/Kaz2550/DSC00493.jpg)
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Cheers dude. That one's just not selling is it?
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mmm to be honest MG doesn't shift their guitars very quickly. Like many shops they probably depend on selling lots of starter kits. There are some nice Tokais etc that has been there for years. Usually it's because they are at least 20% overpriced compared to other shops on everything they sell. They are usually willing to haggle though. I reckon you could get that LP for £450. :wink:
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mmm to be honest MG doesn't shift their guitars very quickly. Like many shops they probably depend on selling lots of starter kits. There are some nice Tokais etc that has been there for years. Usually it's because they are at least 20% overpriced compared to other shops on everything they sell. They are usually willing to haggle though. I reckon you could get that LP for £450. :wink:
I saw a signature go on ebay for less than £300.
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how about this;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=230207443607&Category=2384&_trksid=p3907.m29
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-07-Bacchus-Duke-Les-Paul-Blk-Oil-Finish-lk-Orville_W0QQitemZ320201290041QQihZ011QQcategoryZ2384QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Greco-Zemaitis-Super-Real-Reissue-Les-Paul-LTD_W0QQitemZ320201298712QQihZ011QQcategoryZ2384QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Heck, there even was a series I PRS Tremonti (allbeit with a chip in lower horn under binding) at local Pawn shop for $1,200!!!!!!!!
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i $%&#in love the headstock on that Greco
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Wow that Signature in music ground looks really really nice.
Annoying thing is, I have next to no money now after a christmas blowout on some much needed other sutff. :evil:
But will be getting a job soon, so am definitely still on the lookout for a guitar. Just a bit more long-term.
Nick that Bacchus is positively STUNNING! :o That's exactly the kinda thing I would go for.
And...
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PRS Tremonti for £600??!?!?!?!?!?!
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Sam,
I am visiting UK again in March so;
Stop pussy footing around, save some cash, then ya can buy my Les Paul! and have the real deal :twisted:
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^Look away Nick- pussy-footing alert!!! (it is my speciality after all :oops: :lol:)
Change of mind.... I'm now on the look out for an SG :lol:
I love Les Pauls, but on my limited budget, I wan't to try something different and cover some more/other bases outside my Burny's territory, and have seriously fallen in love with SGs all of a sudden.
So lay it on me... good, cheap SG's...
So far:
-Gibson SG-X
-Loads of various Gibson SG specials on ebay, secondhand in shops e.t.c.
-Gibson Platinum SG, just because it looks so amazing.
What else?!
Thanks, I appreciate the help (and patience) as always!!! :oops: :D!
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Woogie got quoted around £400-500 for a Gordon Smith SG Jr I think, I want to get one when I finish uni for the summer as the last terms really short, meaning I'll have loads of loan money left over hopefully :D :D
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Well of course you could always go for an Edwards, Orville, Tokai etc SG.
Probably cheaper than a Gibson and you're perhaps less likely to get a dud if you're buying on eBay.
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Hmmm I wasn't even aware of Gordon Smith doing SGs! Silly me...
Phil, yeah I've looked briefly at the usual MIJ suspects.
They seem to be significantly less common than the LP equivalents though, and whereas with the LPs, I feel confident that I now at least know what to look for (ish), SGs are/would be new territory. (Not sure if that really makes much of a difference though I guess).
In terms of Gibsons specifically though, are there any models to look out for or avoid?
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Speaking of GS guitars, I saw a 1 humbucker flat top LP and I made a mess of my pants. Oh so sexy. And cheap! Stick a BKP in there and I'll make sweet, sweet loving all day long. Damn shame about the pussy 24.75" scale though.
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People say the Faded SGs can be pretty bad - I suspect they use their lesser-quality timber and aren't too careful about the quality control.
But Specials, Standards and the special editions like the Voodoo, Gothic and Platinum SGs are all built pretty much the same - they have different cosmetics, pickups and sometimes different woods, but they all have the "rounded SG" neck shape and feel very similar.
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^That's what I was after, cheers.
There are a ton of SG Specials on the 'bay going cheap (in the US especially). Unlike Les Pauls, even the older models don't seem to be extortionately expensive which is cool. So a 1991 SG Special or even Standard is realistically affordable.
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The Japanese SGs seem to have quite chunky necks - something to be aware of. I reckon they use the same ones as they do for LPs.
Gordon Smith build quality can be variable - make sure you try before you buy.
Don't rule out Epiphone SGs, they can be really nice. I gig a Korean '65 reissue and my mate Martin has a Chinese Worn Brown SG. Chuck a nice set of pickups in there and you have great value for money ;)
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Excellent, value for money is the name of the game for me at the mo! :D :twisted:
With the Epi's did you have to root around for a decent one (like everyone seems to have to do with every manufacturer these days), or is the quality semi-reliable?
A really chunky neck isn't something I'm after as the LP has that base firmly covered and I'm after something different. So thanks for the heads-up on that. :)
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People say the Faded SGs can be pretty bad - I suspect they use their lesser-quality timber and aren't too careful about the quality control.
people also say they can be pretty good though ;)
therefore you are surely right about the quality control, but they aren't all bad
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Here's a Bacchus Tele... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bacchus-Japan-T-Master-Series-Tele-Blk-Oil-P90_W0QQitemZ330189151757QQihZ014QQcategoryZ2384QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m118
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^Yeah I've seen similar black Bacchus teles on a few sites, HTH. They look damn nice!
Probably won't be able to even stretch to £500 though unfortunately... looking for really value for money low-hundreds.
:(
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People say the Faded SGs can be pretty bad - I suspect they use their lesser-quality timber and aren't too careful about the quality control.
people also say they can be pretty good though ;)
therefore you are surely right about the quality control, but they aren't all bad
Absolutely, I was just echoing what people always say about Gibsons before someone came in ranting about what shitee they are. :wink:
You can always find good Gibsons if you look around, but if there are 5 or 6 in a rack they'll all be different. For such a big manufacturer, they seem to do a surprising amount of the work by hand.
EDIT: How did we suddenly get on to Teles? :lol:
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^ :lol:
Yeah get it out of my sight before I change my mind............................
AGAIN!
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My '65 Epi SG was the only one in the shop, and I compared it to a Gibson Standard, a Gibson Faded and a regular Epi SG 400. It was much nicer throughout than the faded Gibson, and was of a similar standard to the USA Standard. The regular G400 felt a little bit cheap and gad poorly matched body wood sections, but I've played others since that were much nicer.
I'd say the Epi SGs and the Faded Gibsons have the same problem - you have to shop around to find a good one.
Why not go for a Korean Tokai as I bet they'll all be excellent???
http://www.richtonemusic.co.uk/guitars-1/electric-guitars-2/tokai-usg35-electric-guitar-216.html
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Mmmmm cheap as chips! :o!!
Ever had any experience with them? I feel bad for it, but hearing the word "Korean" in relation to guitars gives me bad vibes!!! :oops:
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The Korean ones are pretty good now matey, the Chinese ones are the ones to watch!
Only thing with the Tokai is the maple neck and nato body. Epiphone uses local mahogany throughout so it's more "correct".....
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Okay dokay,
I think my mate's Tokai LP is Korean actually and that's decent if I remember correctly.
Is this your epiphone:
http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/9569
Looks mighty fine.
EDIT: Here are a couple of the other options I'm looking at:
Gibson SG-X
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190186455355&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=009
Gibson Worn Brown Faded Special:
http://www.coda-music.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2721
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Yep, that's the one. My Epi on the left below, Gibson on the right:
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/junkacct/SGs.jpg)
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Corr that's nice!
No luck finding one brand new I don't think now. Limited edition something or other...
Fiddlesticks.
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Yep, limited run in late '05 early '06.
How about this special run Epiphone at Peter Cooks for £229?
(http://www.petercooks.co.uk/Images/bluesg.jpg)
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WOW. I love odd finishes. That is stunning. Where abouts on the Peter Cook site is that?
EDIT: DAMN! I think it now says it's sold!!! :shock: :evil:
Wait, is that yours?! :lol: :? :lol:
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Not mine. It was on the "Specials" page I think?
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Nice, is that colour Pelham Blue?
I used to have an SG Special in a similar colour, it was that "chameleon" paint so it looked green from some angles and blue from others. Not one of the better SGs I've owned, though.
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Yup the specials page, then I scroll down to the "recently sold" section, and there it is. Grumble.
I'm trying to find info on the site, but is Peter Cooks a shop you can go and visit/try things out or just an online store?
Thanks for the help so far!
EDIT: Philly- Pelham Blue is a fantastic colour, particularly on SGs. Can't really tell with all the sparkle on that Epi, but the 'true' paint colour may well be something near Pelham.
I'm stuck now. Brand new Epi? Second hand Gibson Special or SG-X? Tokai?
gaaah!!!
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It's still for sale on the "Clearance" page?
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^Woops, I was talking about the 1965 Epi Vibrola (like yours) that was for sale there, not the blue sparkly Epi. :oops: :oops: :oops:
Misunderstanding there.
I think it's because I arrived at the site through a google link that was a bit out of date. Woops.
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I just bought a Gibson SG-1, similar to the SG-X but without the pick guard and a nice red burst kinda finish. Should be here on Thursday and i'll tell you how it is when it get's here. :D
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Nice! Where from? Evilbay?
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Hey Sam I thought you didn't like SGs !
http://mcguitars.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=112
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^So did I rob... so did I..... :lol:
Mmmm nice Burny!!!
That would be an awesome twin-set; 80s Burny LP and 80s Burny SG.... :o
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Yep, that looks like a nice one!
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Indeed, 'tis a little more expensive as well though.
And TwinF, I think you were dead right about the necks being bigger! I found a guy on ebay selling a Burny 61-style SG who listed the neck measurements, and judging from my trusty ruler here with my LP, they're the exact same neck!!! That's good in that I know it would be okay for me, but bad in as much as I want something different.
How nice does this look- just sold though unfortunately:
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/samchad27/l_282ed0c27d16dd591a4b885b93f3a9bb.jpg)
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Tasty!
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And this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120203908472&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=002
And this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120203890338&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=002
:lol:
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I don't care what you've seen, just buy this one NOW before I lose my VISA-card self-control (deep breaths, you can do this)...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Burny-Les-Paul-custom-white-made-in-Japan-near-mint_W0QQitemZ120204165336QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33040QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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:lol:
I can't afford that beauty I'm afraid!
You should check out that guys other guitars... he has a whole load of similar 'Pauls like that....
Then again.... maybe you shouldn't :lol:
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Nice! Where from? Evilbay?
Yep
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Sambo how about the Epiphone G400 Vintage? Satin finish and bound fretboard unlike the other Epi SGs. £185 delivered from soundslive.co.uk I just ordered one. My Mules will be going into this guitar.
(http://www.sonicprice.fr/medias/product/images/thumb4/5/6/5697.jpg)
Or the G400 Deluxe. A nice combination of LP looks and SG shape.
(http://cachepe.samedaymusic.com/media/quality,85/brand,sameday/p6767b-b546a645d203cfe74e2d3180de569832.jpg)
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Wow the G400 vintage looks gorgeous there.
But alas, I may have already secured a sneaky bargain on another axe.
I'm keeping shtum for now, but if all goes well I'll have new SG pretty soon.
:D :D :D
If not, that Epi is up there on the list. I adore satin finishes and it looks very very tasty. Let me know what it's like anyway, as I might even get one in the future if it's a good-un.
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Sure, I'll let you know what I think of it when it arrives. The only thing to be careful of with them is to get the 'Vintage' one and not the 'Faded' one as the Faded ones are made in China (as opposed to Korea) and are lower in quality apparently.
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Exxxcellent.
I'll make a mental note of the Vintage/Faded thing, cheers.
:)
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The faded's don't have a bound fingerboard either......
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lol of course! How did I forget to mention that. Yeah that was the main reason why I looked into the faded/vintage issue in the first place. I think in the US they have mainly switched to faded ones but in Europe a lot of the places still have the vintage ones.
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I'm rather annoyed now. I checked the delivery status and it said out of stock and back ordered :x Why can't they just put out of stock on the page if it's out of stock?! I'm gonna give them a ring tomorrow and cancel it if it's gonna take long.
EDIT: FYI, that's now soundslive and DV247 both out of stock. I'll find out if there are any left at other places.
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Ouch! That sucks.
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Come on sam, spill the beans :P
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OK I was wrong about the Faded ones being made in China and Vintage ones made in Korea. Early Vintage ones were made in Korea, then they switched to China, but all the Faded ones are made in China.
Mine's gonna be a Chinese one apparently. :( I'm hoping for the best.
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No beans will be spilled yet Joe. :)
Ninja- ouch again. Hope it turns out okay!
How much was that Signature on sale for by the way? £500?
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Get your hands off that Tokai LP Custom LC60 Sam, you know you want an SG ;)
The Signature at Music Ground (and on eBay) is £499.
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Get your hands off that Tokai LP Custom LC60 Sam, you know you want an SG ;)
The Signature at Music Ground (and on eBay) is £499.
:lol: :oops:
Honestly, my head is all over the place at the moment. I'm actually considering strats... STRATS?!?!?!?! I feel sick.
How open to haggling are MG then? :lol:
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Get your hands off that Tokai LP Custom LC60 Sam, you know you want an SG ;)
Not considering it yourself are you Dave?
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It's a good-un!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330201313309&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=014
From that chap in Switzerland
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Get your hands off that Tokai LP Custom LC60 Sam, you know you want an SG ;)
Not considering it yourself are you Dave?
Nope - hasn't got a 'hog top. I'm still looking out for an all mahogany custom....
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Nope - hasn't got a 'hog top. I'm still looking out for an all mahogany custom....
That's what I thought - quite a good thing to GAS for, cause you're never gonna find one. :wink:
But seriously, did any of the Japanese brands ever make an all mahogany Custom? I have noticed that most of the older Jap Customs have rosewood instead of ebony fingerboards, which never looks quite right.
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Wait wait... all mahogany custom... I'm SURE I read a passage about one earlier today. On one of the MIJ Dealer sites.... hold on I'll try and dig it out.
EDIT: I'm kicking myself here. I KNOW I read about an example of this when looking at the MIJ Vintage Pauls. Just can't remember where it was! Grr!
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That's what I thought - quite a good thing to GAS for, cause you're never gonna find one. :wink:
Not really, cos the only way to get one is to go custom, which means even more money spent curing gas :lol:
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I'm pretty sure the Tokai LP custom in wine red has a mahogany top.
I'm considering canceling my order for the SG. If it's made in China I don't really think it's worth getting one mail order...
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Yep, there's a Tokai Custom in wire red with a 'hog top. Not that many about though. I really want a black one, so I'm keeping my eye out for one of the re-issue older MIJ models like a Burny or an Orville by Gibson. They're a bit like hen's teeth, and a lot of them are just "regular" black customs. It's the '57 reissue ones I'm after but they're hard to identify....
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I've cancelled the SG order. I decided it's not worth the wait.
Sam and Dave, the Signature LP at Musicground is now £550. When I said to them that it was £500 a couple of weeks ago I was told it was a different guitar that they already sold. What a load of bull. I've got photos of it ffs! It's that attitude of always trying to trick customers that puts me off buying guitars there.
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^Cheeky so and so's!!!!!
:o
They're still advertising it on Ebay as well I think.
Good luck with what you decide to go for guitar-wise as well.
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Music Ground - over priced (rumoured to be fake...) vintage amp selling bar stewards.
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Dishonest sellers eh?.... The's close to home at the moment... :evil:
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Music Ground - over priced (rumoured to be fake...) vintage amp selling bar stewards.
Generally, or is this a specific example?
Dishonest sellers eh?.... The's close to home at the moment...
And what's happened to you, Sam?
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Phil, turns out my Burny might not be what the seller said it was. Advertised as a 1983 and could be 90s.
Most annoying thing is when I asked originally for authentication he said "you'll have to rely on my expertise" and I trusted him!
:evil:
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Is that from your recent research? I guess you've seen this article:
http://www.japanguitars.co.uk/burny%20info.html
Sorry to hear that :( . As you know, I had a less-than-perfect experience with that particular seller.
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That's the same guy Phil bought his LP off that had less than secure inlays :roll: I always wondered about that guy. At the prices he charges they should be 100% perfect.
Phil - re. Music Ground it's a well known allegation. I've heard rumours about 'bitsa' vintage Marshalls, amp parts being aged on the roof, fake '59 Les Pauls............
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Yeah I've seen that page.
I don't think we're the only ones either. I did a bit of digging on the Tokai registry forum and a couple of other people were a little miffed about his 'quality control' as it were, and it seems several people have hinted that his prices are really top-end.
:evil: :(
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I knew all along that his prices were steep, but I was overcome with boyish enthusiasm at the time. Well, middle-aged-mannish enthusiasm.
As for Music Ground, that's disturbing. I've bought a couple of nice guitars from what's now their Denmark Street shop, but it might have been before it was Music Ground, come to think of it.
I think the vintage market in the UK is generally a bit dodgy. If it's old, it's expensive - never mind if it's obviously a refin or has non-original parts. They often quote dates that are a good 5 years out. Much worse if they're deliberately faking stuff.
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I knew all along that his prices were steep, but I was overcome with boyish enthusiasm at the time. Well, middle-aged-mannish enthusiasm.
Yeah same thing for me; too excited to see sense really. :oops:. Although I must confess I wasn't aware of how high his prices were at the time. I think I'm a lot better educated nowadays as to what the different models and brands are worth.
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I enquired about the Signature Les Paul on eBay, and I asked if they could send it to Manchester for me to check out. They would if I paid a £250 deposit. No problem says I, I get my cash back if I don't like it? No, you get a credit note. Good job I asked huh?
I'm not going near them again.
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I enquired about the Signature Les Paul on eBay, and I asked if they could send it to Manchester for me to check out. They would if I paid a £250 deposit. No problem says I, I get my cash back if I don't like it? No, you get a credit note. Good job I asked huh?
I'm not going near them again.
:o :o Jesus...
(yeah the Japanguitars guy doesn't know the difference between Abalone and MOP either... :?)
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I enquired about the Signature Les Paul on eBay, and I asked if they could send it to Manchester for me to check out. They would if I paid a £250 deposit. No problem says I, I get my cash back if I don't like it? No, you get a credit note. Good job I asked huh?
I'm not going near them again.
Sounds about right. When I bought a '77 JMP MkII (which turns out to be a '79), it developed a fault after a few days, even though they said it was fully serviced. I took it back but they would only give me store credit. I got my Laney VH100R with the money but man was I pissed off. I'm pretty sure that's illegal but I was clueless at the time. Thank god the Laney (which they strongly recommended against) sounds awesome even now.
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I think giving credit is something many shops will try to do when you take something back for a refund. I'm no lawyer, but I think legally they're obliged to give a cash refund. Unfortunately it's hard to enforce without going to a lot of trouble.
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musicground stock HBE pedals, right?
they quoted me something like £250 or £300 for a big d... list is £165.
I wasn't buying, but it's the principle. what i've heard from you guys doesn't surprise me.
oh, and i'm no lawyer, but as far as I'm aware, if something is faulty, you can ask for a refund, credit note, or replacement; however, it's the BUYER'S choice, not the shop's. Problem is, the law says once the buyer has made a choice, the shop is under no obligation to let you change your mind, which explains why often shops will try to fob you off with a credit note- if they can get you to agree, they're off scot-free, basically.
So don't accept one! :twisted:
EDIT: i'm not sure it's that hard to enforce, philly. Granted, if they want to take it as far as court, but generally unscrupulous business-people are taking advantage of shoppers who don't know the law... once they realise you do, unless they're very stupid, they won't push it. Amazing what mentioning the letters "OFT" can do...
:D