Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Twinfan on December 13, 2007, 03:42:12 PM
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Oh gawd, the GAS pains :roll:
Ceriatone have brought out a clone of my all time favourite amp. The JTM45/100 :o Might have to have a clear out and order one.......
(http://www.ceriatone.com/images/HeadCabPic/JTM45_100/front_f3B.jpg)
(http://www.ceriatone.com/images/completeAmpsPic/JTM45_100/amp7B.jpg)
(http://www.ceriatone.com/images/completeAmpsPic/JTM45_100/tube3B.jpg)
(http://www.ceriatone.com/images/completeAmpsPic/JTM45_100/cb4B.jpg)
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Just start counting how much you've spent on gear over the past couple of months and you'll get scared :wink:
Nice amp though! Is that the Jimi Hendrix one? I'm still lusting after the 1987 clone. Do you know if it's possible to order the headshall without the Ceriatone name plate?
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oh good god...stop this man from posting please someone...won't anyone think of the children?
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He wants a Shiva. It will take him another 5 or 6 amps to figure that out though :twisted:
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Yeah, A Shiva would be nice but not 'classic tone' enough for me. They're quite modern sounding.
Hendrix used a JTM45/100, as did Pete Townsend. Plus the first few 'DC albums are Angus and Malcolm though JTM45/100s.
That'll be the Tiny Terror and my 60w Klipp up for sale soon then.....
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That'll be the Tiny Terror and my 60w Klipp up for sale soon then.....
Will that leave you Klipp-less?
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Your poor neighbours ... or lucky, depending if they like TEH RAWK!
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That'll be the Tiny Terror and my 60w Klipp up for sale soon then.....
Will that leave you Klipp-less?
:lol: I'm sure he has two!
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He has another one that mutated into a superbass.
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I thought he sold one...
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He had three! :roll:
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very nice, bet Nik has got a great tone there!
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I still have three!
One 100w Klipp that is sold (being collected Sunday)
One 60w Klipp
One 100w Klipp with a Marshall Super Bass preamp
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I still have three!
One 100w Klipp that is supposedly[/] sold :roll:
One 60w Klipp
One 100w Klipp with a Marshall Super Bass preamp
Right, so TwinFan is the Noah of Amps too then.
Is that the "twin" in your name TF?
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A buddy of mine is a big Hendrix fan. He'll want one of those.
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Right, so TwinFan is the Noah of Amps too then.
Is that the "twin" in your name TF?
Nope, it's down to my love of twin cylinder motorbikes (mainly Ducatis).
I like to have two of stuff - then you have a spare. Maybe it's a tad excessive :oops:
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I like to have two of stuff - then you have a spare. Maybe it's a tad excessive :oops:
Actually I always wanted a second TinyTerror for gigging, but then the Budda came along and does exactly that with its own phat flavour and more power.
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Surely you should be known as (at least) Quadruplefan by now with all the duplicate guitars/amps you've accummulated :roll:
Whenever I feel a little guilty that I've got too many guitars, I always have a look at yours or Phil Kings posts :lol: :lol:
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Dave will you stop it please. Feel gas attack coming on.
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Dave, your taste get's better...mmmm ducati...I've just got a little honda 600 :(
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Surely you should be known as (at least) Quadruplefan by now with all the duplicate guitars/amps you've accummulated :roll:
Whenever I feel a little guilty that I've got too many guitars, I always have a look at yours or Phil Kings posts :lol: :lol:
Hey, PhilKing has me beaten by miles! Although I think I surpass PhillyQ, so that ranks me as #2 I guess.
Ooops :oops:
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I like to have two of stuff - then you have a spare. Maybe it's a tad excessive :oops:
Hope you are a Mormon or marriage is a bummer :)
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Looks tasty Dave. Not sure how accurate the single OT is though for a JTM45/100 - they had two 50w OT's running in parallel.
That looks more like the first 100w plexis with KT66s that Hendrix used. I don't think Hendrix ever had a JTM45/100 - Townsend did, as did Marriot.
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Looks tasty Dave. Not sure how accurate the single OT is though for a JTM45/100 - they had two 50w OT's running in parallel.
From Michael Doyle's book: " The sound character was quite different from that of the 50 watt, and it became even more pronounced when Marshall started to use single 100 watt output transformers for the first production models, made in late 1965."
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Cheers Martin - beat me to it! Only a handful of early prototypes had the twin transformers.
I used my JTM45 for a 'DC rehearsal tonight and while it sounded awesome, I was wishing for a bit more volume.
That's it, I'm doing a Robert Johnson. I'm selling my soul to to the devil for a JTM45/100 :twisted:
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Hey, PhilKing has me beaten by miles! Although I think I surpass PhillyQ, so that ranks me as #2 I guess.
Ooops :oops:
Yeah, I think you're still 1 or 2 ahead of me. :lol:
Although I expect there there are a few forum members who have secret huge collections we don't know about.
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Twinfan! You are such a GAS whore... I would never do such things! ;)
At least you have immpecable taste.
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Ha ha - cheers gwEm!
Initial discussions have started ;)
To quote Wayne Campbell: "She will be mine, oh yes she will be mine....."
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Think I need a better job, so what is it you do Twinfan...and can you get me a job *L*
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I'm an IT Manager - nothing special. I just happen to spend a lot on gear :oops:
I don't really drink and have no kids, so that helps ;)
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*L* bet you Mrs has to get spoiled a lot too.....you can have that amp Dave but I want these shoes etc
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Looks tasty Dave. Not sure how accurate the single OT is though for a JTM45/100 - they had two 50w OT's running in parallel.
From Michael Doyle's book: " The sound character was quite different from that of the 50 watt, and it became even more pronounced when Marshall started to use single 100 watt output transformers for the first production models, made in late 1965."
I think most Marshall historians would agree that when you think of the JTM45/100, you think of the dual-OT heads. That's the classic sound that they're known for and the same setup that Marshall recently reissued as a JTM45/100.
The very first 100w heads that transitioned from the dual-OT JTM45/100s had single 100w OTs. They're only technically called JTM45/100s as they had the JTM45 front panels because Marshall didn't yet have the panels for the 100w heads.
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I see where you're coming from HTH, but to me and others I've spoken to/read articles from:
* JTM45/100 - four KT66 output valves, shared cathode pre-amp and 56k/250pf tone stack, one or two OTs (an early handful had two OTs, production models were mostly single OT)
* JTM100 - four EL34 output valves, split cathode pre-amp, 33k/500pf tone stack, one OT (a plexi with JTM panels)
* Super Lead Plexi - four EL34 output valves, Super Lead as we all know and love it
The recently reissued 40th Anniversary JTM45/100 had the 56k/250pf tone stack and two OTs. The Hendrix reissue was a JTM45/100 as above, but with a 33k/500pf tone stack and one OT. So it sits between a JTM45/100 and JTM100 in my description. Specs changed all the time as you know, but the above is how I understand it.
There were so few JTM100s made anyway, it's a bit of a chore to define an exact spec for them. They had a real mix of parts as the transition to Plexi specs happened, but always had EL34 valves and one OT.
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it wont be tr00 hendrix until its modded for 6550's.
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Some further digging sugests we're both half right...
* the JTM45/100s produced during '65 were the dual OT ones with the JTM45 panels, KT66s and HUGE PTs.
* the change to a single OT but still with KT66s occurred during '66, however the picture on P.103 of the Doyle book shows a dual OT JTM45/100 from '65 with JTM100 panels which goes against Doyle's statement that no panels were available.
* '67 saw the SLP introduced with JMP panels and EL34s
I've seen lots of oddballs during this period of Marshall's history - it's common knowledge that they were fond of using up whatever stock they had to get amps out the door. They even made NARB amps eventually for this very reason, love it.
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That's what I thought mate - lots of changes throughout '66 and early '67 :)
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Anyway Dave, stop all this talk of JTM45/100s - you're giving me GAS, I'll be ordering a kit if I don't keep my trigger-finger in check :lol:
I'd be interested in DIY'ing one of the prototype JTM45/100s with the four 6V6s and twin GZ34s, bet that'd be a sexy amp.
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Bloody electronic nightmare though!
I'm speaking to Martin tomorrow about him building me one. Looks like it's a goer though...
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only one :roll: :P one always needs a spare ofcourse
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The Ceriatone Overtone Special looks stunning and has given me serious GAS, I was gutted to read that Nik's stopped making them after lots of complaints from other elbmuD cloners :cry:
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I used my JTM45 for a 'DC rehearsal tonight and while it sounded awesome, I was wishing for a bit more volume.
Good God man, how loud do you rehearse ?
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I used my JTM45 for a 'DC rehearsal tonight and while it sounded awesome, I was wishing for a bit more volume.
Good God man, how loud do you rehearse ?
Pardon? :lol:
We rehearse at gig volumes. So let's just call it "loud" :P
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Well the deed is done. Parts go on order shortly and I should have the amp in February :D 8)
Martin from Martamp is building me a JTM45/100 using the Ceriatone kit as a base. I'm having a regular JTM45 preamp with the addition of a Master Volume, white control panels with chicken head knobs and a Marshall "big box" cabinet with white piping. It should like a grown up version of my Martamp JTM45, which is exactly what it is :P
Awesome! :twisted:
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if you consider recouping some money on one of those, let me know Dave :wink:
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What, you mean if I ever sell the '45s? You must be joking mate! These are my perfect amp :)
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How many amps you got now twinfan
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Err, six I think:
100w Super Bass Klipp
60w Klipp
Matamp Little Rock
Martamp JTM45
Orange Tiny Terror
Epiphone Valve Junior combo
The Tiny Terror is up for sale, and I think I'll be selling the 60w Klipp too......
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Here's the Metro Amps '66 JTM45/100 with the single OT, talk about a work of art... http://store.metroamp.com/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=364
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thought you sold the little rock
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Err, six I think:
100w Super Bass Klipp
60w Klipp
Matamp Little Rock
Martamp JTM45
Orange Tiny Terror
Epiphone Valve Junior combo
The Tiny Terror is up for sale, and I think I'll be selling the 60w Klipp too......
Sad to see another TT leave. They are great amps, but somehow they sound best at a volume which is too much for home and not enough for band ...
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I'd disagree but then can run mine quite loud
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Here's the Metro Amps '66 JTM45/100 with the single OT, talk about a work of art... http://store.metroamp.com/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=364
Check out the price too!!! All in the name of "vintage correct" :roll:
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thought you sold the little rock
Nope, had it for sale but no takers. I'll keep it now as my practice amp and sell the TT as I don't need both. The TT will sell easier.
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Here's the Metro Amps '66 JTM45/100 with the single OT, talk about a work of art... http://store.metroamp.com/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=364
Check out the price too!!! All in the name of "vintage correct" :roll:
Totally agree. I'd just get their normal plexi kit and substitute the different OT in the kit for the KT66s.
All this talk has got me seriously interested in building a dual OT JTM45/100, it's just a sound thats a little different and not readily available at the minute.
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You may have to watch the spacing between the valve sockets on a regular Plexi kit - not sure you'll fit the chunky Shuguang KT-66s in there?
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If my amp sounds as good as the 'DC clips of the Metroamp one, I'm going to be a happy man. Imagine these clips with a bit less bass and an SG with Riff Raffs instead of a Les Paul......
http://forum.metroamp.com/viewtopic.php?t=9879
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Sounds pretty good tho I cant help think it sounds like theres too much gain/fizz going on for the rhythm tones.
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I'd get one if I could play doom on it.... :P
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Could be the recording I guess? The basic tone sounds great to me, I'm sure I can make it work ;)
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You may have to watch the spacing between the valve sockets on a regular Plexi kit - not sure you'll fit the chunky Shuguang KT-66s in there?
Ahh, good point - certainly worth looking into, though I've previously fitted both 6550s and KT88s in standard Marshall heads with no problems.
If the JTM45/100 chassis' have wider spacing for the KT66s, I'll get one. I know Ceriatone do an aluminium 45/100 chassis and Metro do them from time to time. If I'm gonna do it, might as well do it right.
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Yeah, Nik's chassis will be spot on. You can then punch the extra hole for the second tranny, or ask him to do it for you?
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At $60.00 for the chassis you can't argue - worth a shot.
I'll be getting the trannies from Brian Wallace at Marstran - he's been knocking up some dual OT JTM45/100s himself by all accounts.
His PT has a two taps, one to get a B+ around 560v and another for 490v. As he rightly points out, modern KT66s will be running for their lives with 560v.
You never know, I might even be able to get one of those swanky PT's Drake wound for the Marshall JTM45/100s. You never know unless you ask, might just get someone new that doesn't know they're not supposed to sell those except for repairs (lmao).
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At $60.00 for the chassis you can't argue - worth a shot.
I'll be getting the trannies from Brian Wallace at Marstran - he's been knocking up some dual OT JTM45/100s himself by all accounts.
His PT has a two taps, one to get a B+ around 560v and another for 490v. As he rightly points out, modern KT66s will be running for their lives with 560v.
You never know, I might even be able to get one of those swanky PT's Drake wound for the Marshall JTM45/100s. You never know unless you ask, might just get someone new that doesn't know they're not supposed to sell those except for repairs (lmao).
That post takes the cake for "straight over my head" factor..... :oops: :oops: :lol:
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Unlucky Sambo! Strangely, I understand him ;)
HTH - you sure you don't want to try and build a vintage correct US spec JTM45/100 with the incorrect power transformer? The had over 600v on the plates I think :o
I reckon you might get some of those Drakes if you're clever ;)
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Haha. You amp freaks you!!! :shock:
Purely out of curiosity- is building your own significantly cheaper as to make it actually worthwhile?
Do you need a LOT of knowledge of amps?
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Put it this way Sam. I've re-wired guitars more often than I can remember, plus I know a reasonable amount about amps, and I wouldn't build myself one. I could wire it all up to the correct spec I reckon, but de-bugging issues I'd be lost. Oh, and I'd probably fry myself :evil:
It's a worthwhile thing to do if you know electrics really well and are 'qualified' to a certain extent. To the average DIY Joe it's a bit of a no-go.
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Unlucky Sambo! Strangely, I understand him ;)
HTH - you sure you don't want to try and build a vintage correct US spec JTM45/100 with the incorrect power transformer? The had over 600v on the plates I think :o
I reckon you might get some of those Drakes if you're clever ;)
If I'm a jammy git and manage to sneak one from under Drake's noses then I'll see how high the B+ is and how the amp fares. If the valves are screaming for mercy I can always sell it and probably make a profit on it due to the rarity factor.
I actually make a profit when I sold the HW-series Dagnall OT I bought from Marshall. The ebay guy paid me more than I paid Marshall (stupido).
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