Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: apmaman on December 16, 2007, 05:28:12 PM
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What is it?
My incredibly lucky friend is getting £2000 to spend on a guitar for crimbo. We went into town to try out what the local shops have, nothing too interesting really. She loved the look of the Epiphone ZW camo and the Joe Strummer Sig telecaster.
She wants something thats easy to string up and play. Hence the LP and tele recommendation's. So.. I ask you bunch here whats a good hardtail guitar for under 2 grand. Well under would be good to get a decent amp as well, which I told her was the most important part. Amp first then guitar. She however see's it as looks first.
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My incredibly lucky friend is getting £2000 to spend on a guitar
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She loved the look of the Epiphone ZW camo and the Joe Strummer Sig telecaster.
Permission to curse your friend?
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PRS Singlecut?
EDIT: I want permission to curse her too.... :lol: :evil: :evil:
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errrm, next Xmas maybe?
and get one built :P
The ZW epi is indeed easy to string, but thats about it, I presume it has the alder top like other Epi's, as its quite resonant. Quite nice unplugged really.
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Definetly a PRS Singlecut.
Either that or an ESP viper.
God I love my Viper - best neck I've ever played.
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Go ahead. She just likes the look of it. Im there to assess playability and the likes. I mean, she could get a super amazing guitar but its what it looks like to her is the most important. I mean, she was thinking about getting a Daisy Rock. No offence to them but, with that amount of cash you've got a few more options.
Thats why its so hard to think of what she'd like. I mean, I would shoot off to the Prestige Ibanez's or the high end Jacksons if I had the money.
So far shes got her eye on the Camo ZW and an Orange rocker 30.
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Well Orange Rocker 30 is a great choice.
Looks and sounds great. So that's no worries.
But that leaves about £1400... and to waste that opportunity on an Epiphone would be criminal!!! lol.
I say Orange Rocker 30 and PRS Singlecut. That would be a killer combo.
EDIT: What about a PRS CE 22 or 24? I say that 'cause they have a bright orange finish that might suit her needs for something flash-looking, and they still play and sound great.
They're only about £1000 so that would leave more money for an even better Orange... something like a Rockerverb or AD30 combo....?
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Yeah, she was originality going to get a Spider III cause it has lots of flashy lights... I tempted her away from that with the Orange, well because its orange. Thank god they had them in stock.
I'll see if soundcontrol can order in PRS's, any other makes you can think of? I was thinking about the Paul Gilbert Sig from Ibanez. That things insane.
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Sound control definitely do the PRSs. Specifically the bright orange CE24s cause that's where I tried one!
Yeah that Paul Gilbert model is a good idea.
Amp wise if you didn't want to go Orange, then there are other good amps that look a bit flash...
H&K Switchblade combo... around £900?
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Im pretty sure she's set on the orange. Amps are fairly limited around my patch and it would be a bit of a hassle trying to test them all out. The orange is perfect to my ears and she said she liked it. I suppose she could get the AD30 depending on what guitar she gets.
I've told her to hold out on getting anything just now.
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If she likes the Epiphone Camo LP - Then she's gunna love the camo viper! Surely!
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If she likes the Epiphone Camo LP - Then she's gunna love the camo viper! Surely!
Not a bad plan. However getting one ordered might be a problem. I'll tell her though.
EDIT: forgot about internet shops, DOH!
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two grand?
did i read that right? two THOUSAND pounds?
that's some serious guitar money!
may i suggest to look at what Jonathan (FelineGuitars) has in stock and buy from him.
though, that might not leave a whole lot for the amp
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two grand?
did i read that right? two THOUSAND pounds?
that's some serious guitar money!
may i suggest to look at what Jonathan (FelineGuitars) has in stock and buy from him.
though, that might not leave a whole lot for the amp
Your eyes do not deceive you. My jaw almost hit the floor when she told me. I would of went down that road but since those guitars are close to the limit, she would be playing it through a Fender 15w starter pack amp which is just pointless.
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Well... i was gonna say: "GO CUSTOM!!!!" But then you started going off about an amp... Now i really don't know what to tell you. Is she just starting out? If she is just starting out there is no reason to get a nice tube amp (unless it is one of the very inexpensive TT's or Matamps), and there is every reason to get a very nice guitar that she will want to come back to again and again and again (Contact Wez or Jonathan, *hint* *hint*) :P
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Well so far we have been told that she got a fender starter pack, so presumably this would be her second or maybe third guitar?
my second was the ZW camo, if I possessed more knowledge at that time, would probably have gone for MIJ though, is that an option too?
no place to try it I guess though
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One thing I'm not clear about - does she actually play already?
We're talking about Teles, ZW Epis, PRS Singlecuts, Ibanez PGs, Daisy Rocks - all totally different guitars.
If she doesn't already play, and with that degree of uncertainty, I think it's insane to pay anything like £2,000 on either a guitar or amp. Why spend £1,500+ on a PRS as a first guitar then realise you'd have been better off with a Tele?
Get something cheap and save the rest for the future. Sorry if that sounds too "older generation". :?
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It would be her second guitar. Shes been playing about a year or two. She plays manily pop rock, emo,punk kinda stuff. Paramore Greenday all those kinda bands.
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^ I agree PhilyQ. I mean ive got so use to my Ibanez I can hardly play my LP anymore. The neck feels so fat and the strings are too close together.
She had a strat starter pack to start with. My guess is shes going to keep this thing for a long long time. Getting something that at first feels awkward wont really matter too much because she'd get use to the neck etc over time.
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One thing I'm not clear about - does she actually play already?
We're talking about Teles, ZW Epis, PRS Singlecuts, Ibanez PGs, Daisy Rocks - all totally different guitars.
If she doesn't already play, and with that degree of uncertainty, I think it's insane to pay anything like £2,000 on either a guitar or amp. Why spend £1,500+ on a PRS as a first guitar then realise you'd have been better off with a Tele?
Get something cheap and save the rest for the future. Sorry if that sounds too "older generation". :?
That's what i was thinking...
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One thing I'm not clear about - does she actually play already?
We're talking about Teles, ZW Epis, PRS Singlecuts, Ibanez PGs, Daisy Rocks - all totally different guitars.
If she doesn't already play, and with that degree of uncertainty, I think it's insane to pay anything like £2,000 on either a guitar or amp. Why spend £1,500+ on a PRS as a first guitar then realise you'd have been better off with a Tele?
Get something cheap and save the rest for the future. Sorry if that sounds too "older generation". :?
If she knows what she wants though, and has the money. Then go for it.
But obviously don't make a rushed purchase when you don't really know what you're doing. Especially not with that kind of money.
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She plays manily pop rock, emo,punk kinda stuff. Paramore Greenday all those kinda bands.
*curses her even further*
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two grand?
did i read that right? two THOUSAND pounds?
that's some serious guitar money!
may i suggest to look at what Jonathan (FelineGuitars) has in stock and buy from him.
though, that might not leave a whole lot for the amp
Your eyes do not deceive you. My jaw almost hit the floor when she told me. I would of went down that road but since those guitars are close to the limit, she would be playing it through a Fender 15w starter pack amp which is just pointless.
yea, i get the point..
i'd say go with a tele and something like a higher level orange or something like that. the laney lionhearts are kickass too
oh and she has to get BKs installed.. or she's asking for an ass whooping
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Good tone for a punk player?
WHY!!?
For fecks sake, just get a Squier Hello-Kitty Strat and spend the rest on beer.
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She plays manily pop rock, emo,punk kinda stuff. Paramore Greenday all those kinda bands.
ick, def don't go custom then :lol:
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:lol:
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LP Junior?????
Good punk guitar
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I would get a nice Jap Tokai say LP Special or double cut in TV yellow avec P-90's, thats pretty punk to me.
If I had £2k I would defo pick up several guitars, rather than blow all on one.
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Well, If something rocks your boat and you have the money then why not?
Whenever I've spent serious money on guitars eg Gibson LP custom, Fender Custom shop strat, and lateley a PRS I've never ever regretted buying them as my playing always goes up a notch each time. This is probably due to tha fact I can never put a new guitar down and so I'm practicing more. However with each new guitar I feel different about my approach to the instrument and fiind my style expands into new territories.
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Why spend £1,500+ on a PRS as a first guitar then realise you'd have been better off with a Tele?
Nobody's better off with a tele. I mean, she's a girl so she's meant to like guys and all, but that still doesn't excuse getting a tele.
:)
Roo
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Plenty left over for an amp
http://www.felineguitars.com/spec_sheets/Sapele%20Tabby.htm
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*Cough* Tele *Cough*
I'm sure it's a cracker to play (I'm personally drooling over several of Jonathan's guitars!), BUT, c'mon!!! She said looks matter!
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Teles look awesome man!?
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*Cough* Tele *Cough*
I'm sure it's a cracker to play (I'm personally drooling over several of Jonathan's guitars!), BUT, c'mon!!! She said looks matter!
Testify, brother.
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With £2k I'd be looking at an R8 or R7 and possibly a Historic LP junior.
For amps, the new Spider Valve would satisfy her liking of lots of bells/whistles and it's not that bad either.
:twisted:
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Engl Thunder combo and an ESP Viper.
That's pretty much my setup and I absolutely LOVE my tone, and absolutely LOVE my guitar.
I honestly couldn't recommend the Viper more - Best neck of any guitar I've ever played - And quite light to boot.
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I tried a Viper 400 once (as a serious option) and it's neck was huge and it weighed a ton.
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this girl clearly isn't interested in guitars, why the $%&# is she wasting time and money on this stuff? i reckon if she's in to guitars and emo this week then it doesnt really matter what she gets, because it'll be getting dusty in the corner next week when keyboards and rave music's in :x :roll:
Sorry - btw; i just hate when people have more money than they have knowledge or sense (bitter poor student)
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this girl clearly isn't interested in guitars, why the $%&# is she wasting time and money on this stuff? i reckon if she's in to guitars and emo this week then it doesnt really matter what she gets, because it'll be getting dusty in the corner next week when keyboards and rave music's in :x :roll:
Sorry - btw; i just hate when people have more money than they have knowledge or sense (bitter poor student)
Trust me, im every bit as pissed as you. I mean ive worked hard to get my gear. It might not be all that flash but it look alot of work to get it. She gets this money from her dad to flutter away.
Then again, thats just the way life is isnt it?
I suppose a good thing is if she gets serious gear she can sell it for little loss on the money. I mean Epiphones dont really keep there value as well as PRS's do they?
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if i had 2 grand to spend on a new guitar and amp i'd get a 50w marshall vintage modern, 1x12 with celestion classic lead 80, and some sort of faded series gibson.
maybe she'd like an SG?
obviously, i'd prefer to buy second-hand gear.
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Nobody's better off with a tele. I mean, she's a girl so she's meant to like guys and all, but that still doesn't excuse getting a tele.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
LMAO, that was damn good!!
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I wouldn't buy one guitar, I'd buy the following:
Fernandes Monterey Elite - £650
Fender Big Apple Strat - £450 (ish)
Fender John 5 Tele - £559
Epiphone Sheraton II - £429
£2,088. ;)
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She may want to try the Richie Kotzen signature telecaster which is supposed to be awesome.
A Yngwie strat would be excellent too. To be honest I think once guitars get to a certain price they really don't get any better youre just paying for age and collectibility or the name attached to it. If this girl plays punk tho seriousley spending so much is insane, punks have the habit of playing any old shite they can get their hands on cheaper the better. I still think the fender blackout telecaster:
http://rockogbillig.dk/images/upload/blackout_b.jpg
They arn't made anymore but you can get them on ebay. I'm gonna get one as soon as I have enough cash.
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Please - PLEASE
Don't spend the best part of 2k on a Tele ;_;
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What's with all the Tele hate on this thread all of a sudden? :(
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I'm thinking the same thing!!!
Tele's are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:
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I like the idea of an R8 or R7.......Gibson Historics are superb guitars and you can get the R8 and R7 for within that budget. You're not going to lose any money on them either.
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i think i answered this on UG, lol. I guess it depends how much she wants to spend on the amp. But if the amp is £1000 or under, I know when i was getting quotes for my legra, if you were willing to stick to a basic bolt-on design, you could get one under £1000 (including BKP's). that'd be my choice.
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OK, if I was actually spending this £2K myself, I'd get an Orange Rocker 30, an Orange 1 x 12" and a Fender Vintage Hot Rod '52...
...TELE.
(That's this week, who knows where GAS will take me next week)
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If I had £2k id buy a PRS Singlecut vintage mahogany. I love that wood grain. £1499 and then get a TT + 112 cab £480 < £2k
However, if i'd only been playing 1-2yrs I would really think about it before spending that kind of money. How much do they value this stuff as apposed to say a half decent guitar + amp and something else they need non guitar related. For example, a PRS SE or LP EPI + BKP (£350 + £170) and a practice amp or even a TT + 112, total <£1000 and 1000+ for something else.
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What's with all the Tele hate on this thread all of a sudden? :(
Because theyre not Metal enough I assume
(Seem to remember a phrase involving the words arse & elbow)
It's a huge amount of money to me (for guitar kit), does she have any actual preference
herself above what the guitar looks like, with 2K the world is pretty much your oyster
Some sort of LP or SG Jr from the sort of music listed would be a fairly safe option one
would think. Even a Fender Jaguar or Jazzmaster would fit that vibe.
Heading for guitars that have a little more in the way of eye candy, theres the Gibson
Goddess range (their LPs are nice). Theres also Eggles (theres a lovely Iommi model on ebay
ATM) as well as PRS
Failing that for spikey / punkish sounds Firebirds & Rickenbackers (the 600 series) for
example can manage that sort of thing in style, and within budget too.
Theres so many options it's almost pointless without a hint ;)
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ran will make you a full custom for 1000, leaving you another 1000 for an amp.
check out www.ranguitars.com, hell, build one on the site, and submit it for a quote, and Dariusz will email you back in a day with how much it will cost :):):):)
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What's with all the Tele hate on this thread all of a sudden? :(
Because theyre not Metal enough I assume
That's what everyone says, and it's completely not true. I hate both Strats, Teles, and Methullllll guitars. No offense to those who like them of course, if it works for you, great.
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I hate teles.
Not because they're not metal.
I just hate the twangy sound - Like nails on a chalkboard.
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What's with all the Tele hate on this thread all of a sudden? :(
Because theyre not Metal enough I assume
That's what everyone says, and it's completely not true. I hate both Strats, Teles, and Methullllll guitars. No offense to those who like them of course, if it works for you, great.
What guitars DO you like.... :?
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What's with all the Tele hate on this thread all of a sudden? :(
Because theyre not Metal enough I assume
just take a look at Bens white tele and say that isnt metal!
wait till you see mine.. in about 5 years :P
if it's too twangy.. change the $%&#ing pickups! >.<
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^amen to that.
Page used a tele and it sounded AWESOME.
So ner. :twisted:
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With 2k to spend on a guitar/amp combo, I would say a 60's neck Gibson LP std or classic - if the thinner neck is required.
The weight of this guitar could be an issue but Gibson do their new standards with 'weight reduction cavities'.
If you shop around you'll get a great guitar for a decent price, around 1200-1400k, and use the rest for an amp.
I would highly recommend that you don't buy a Gibson without playing it first. There are many variations in the quality/tone of identical models.
If Gibson LP's aren't what's required then have a look at a Patrick Eggle Berliner. Great guitars and every one that I have played has been of very high build quality.
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just take a look at Bens white tele and say that isnt metal!
Nah its just fugly instead :P
I prefer the look and sound of teles to strats, yet I own a strat and no tele in the forseeable future (unless I get rid of the strat) :lol: :?
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No offence to any alpha males out there, but honestly, the only thing that goes through my mind when I see a tele is "Ghey!" (I cunningly misspelled that...)
I can't explain why, it's the shape, the stupid angled pickup, something, everything, I don't know, but they're just - in my mind - completely homeownersexual.
I'm not saying you are of that ilk if you play one, I'm just saying that every time I see one (being played by big hairy ugly people, or spotty teenagers alike), it looks like an uphill gardener, and it makes its player look like an uphill gardener.
There ya go, I said it! That's why I don't like Teles (Sorry phil!) :)
Roo
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This tele sounds nice........
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MVUAi_M806c
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tele's are cool in a really understated way... not for people who want to show off as much as for people who need a guitar that works....and will keep on working night after night!!!!
i love them.... but not in a gay way you understand :wink:
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Tell me this rig doesn't look total sex. There's nothing twangy about this baby, it's a mean mutha!!!
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I wouldn't mind a black tele with a dark rosewood board and black headstock like Billy Gibbons but I`ll stick to strats for now!!
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John 5's tele makes him look LESS gay then he usually does... so that disproves your theory! :twisted:
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IMO, tele's always sound thin. And I know they are suposed to, it's just not my thing. And yes, I am aware that Jimmy Page used to play a tele, and I didn't like his sound back then either.
Unless they have humbuckers or single-size humbuckers of course. But I still don't like the way they feel or look, so even if I found a tele I liked the sound of, I'd probably not like to play it. Richie Kotzen shreds like a madman on his teles and his tone is decent (though a tad sterile) and it works for him, so I'm not saying all teles should be detroyed and burnt or anything like that. I just don't wanna be stereotyped because of my tonal tastes. No, the reason I don't like them isn't that "it's not metal" nor because "it's not an über shredder 27-fret scallopped fretboard floyd-equipped 7-string" or anything like that.
Aaaaaaanyway, that was just to explain what the tele-hate is all about, at least for me.
Guitars I like? I like 'em chunky and with humbuckers, preforably with a carved top. I'm also a big fan of classical Spanish guitars, aswell as 12-string accoustics.
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I always thought teles (headstocks in particular), looked pathetic, but I've come round.
Mine cost £40, took out the neck pup and I play slide on it. At the end of every gig I chuck it on the ground and walk off stage. I couldn't do that with a super strat, and certainly not with my tokai.
Ok, the tone certainly isn't for everyone, and if you don't like the playability, fair enough. But I'm with wez here, just because they don't have spiky headstocks, shiny flame tops and snake inlays, doesn't make them gay. Less so, if anything. I think PRSs are the gayest looking guitars.
anyway, homophobia aside, I'd get a Decent, cheap, LP, strat, tele and SG. then spend the 2K. Every guitarist prefers some type of guitar to all the others, and with 1 year experience, she is nowhere near ready to spend that huge amount of cash on something because she reckons it's pretty.
If she must, steer her towards feline and BKPs, so at least someone deserving gets the money.
personally, I'd hate her so much for undeservedly being able to spend so much money, I'd spend 1800 on the guitar and amp I wanted, and the rest on another two that look almost identical. she'd never tell the difference.
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For all you Tele haters (cos they are wimpy, BLEH!)
Mine will come round, rip off ya head and shitee down ya neck :twisted:
And BTW, as I have one in UK and one in USA ya will not escape!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j279/DakineTX/DSC01080.jpg)
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That is one metal tele.
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needs a jackson type headstock
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Not in my opinion it dos'nt.
Whatever floats your boat though.
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Jackson headstock would look odd on that Tele.
Anyway this is a major thread hijack.
BACK ON TOPIC EVERYONE.
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John 5's tele makes him look LESS gay then he usually does... so that disproves your theory! :twisted:
He scares me...
I've had no word from her yet. But I will keep you bunch up to date when she buys something. Probably with tears of jealously streaming from my eyes.
My bet is either the Ibanez PGM301 or a PRS.
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This tele sounds nice........
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MVUAi_M806c
That sounds amazing, wonder what pickups he uses?
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John 5 is $%&#ing awesome.
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For all you Tele haters (cos they are wimpy, BLEH!)
Mine will come round, rip off ya head and shitee down ya neck :twisted:
QED, Roo. :wink:
They're all just opinions, when all's said and done. I can't see anything remotely gay (not that there's anything wrong with being gay, etc, etc...) about two plain chunks of wood, two pickups and some basic hardware, but there you go.
Personally, I think if you want guitars with a slightly more, er, lavender look, Ed Roman's is the place to go. His "World's Best Guitars" section looks like an explosion in a quilted maple and pearloid factory.
http://www.edroman.com/featured/wbg.htm
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This tele sounds nice........
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MVUAi_M806c
That sounds amazing, wonder what pickups he uses?
thats not the tele... thats the 5400$ USD amp. Thats right, over 5 grand. Thats not even list price either.
Back on topic.
Have you checked out ran guitars yet? They're cheaper than gibsons, and fullllly custom :):):)
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Lol Phil, you're not going to win me round - although you're right, there are some seriously pink guitars on that website!!
And sorry Dakine, I think it's the body shape - nothing you can do to make them look properly metal in my eyes. At least it's got humbuckers, I suppose. I think what I dislike is the non cutaway part of the body at the top of the neck, that and the headstock...
Oh well, back on track - carry on!
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Thing with RAN is the waiting is like many many months if I remember correctly...
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Man teles are awesome. My Country Boy (nicknamed Jolene) MIM is nice an fat, with very little twang. Neck pickup oozes creamy round tone, and the bridge is still chunky. All while being low-output. Sexy.
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In reality I have a love hate relationship with the sound of the tele, theres so many 'inde bands' with horrible tele tones (but then the same holds true of strats LPs and most other guitars).
But then I listen to Roy Buchannan, Dave Gilmour or a few others and hear a great raw sound and I fall back in love again
Back on topic again ;
If she is looking for a PRS I would suggest looking at an Eggle Berlin or Vienna as theyre absolute steals & every bit as good. They also look similar to a PRS (with fancy finishes) but to me are a nicer size.
TMC in Coventry have a load of models that are very heavily discounted and includes some top of the range models
On the budget in question, the journey would be worthwhile (or even to London to try a wider range of kit)
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I say you steal the money from her and get her a psychologist; then, after a year of therapy maybe she will make good decisions about 'da gear.
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Tell me this rig doesn't look total sex. There's nothing twangy about this baby, it's a mean mutha!!!
Sorry, that scratch plate just killed the rig... dead. O, and by the way, i generally think that, to quote Roo, teles look "Ghey."
However, Dakine, that guitar IS TEH SEX!
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This tele is far from wimpy
(http://felineguitars.com/spec_sheets/guitar_images/sapele%20tabby/sapele-tabby-horiz-500.jpg)
It features a BKP Boss and a BKP Mule at the neck, and it rocks!
The BKP Boss is a real surprise - yes it will sound like a tele but crank up the amp and it can do classic rock and metal too. And a BKP mule at the neck - nuff said!
And this is a guitar I will do a sale price on leaving £800 to buy the Spider valve or whatever!
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i would actually support the decision to buy one of Jonathan's guitars, ESPECIALLY that one. That is gorgeous! Nice choice with the headstock shape too :)
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If she is looking for a PRS I would suggest looking at an Eggle Berlin or Vienna as theyre absolute steals & every bit as good. They also look similar to a PRS (with fancy finishes) but to me are a nicer size.
TMC in Coventry have a load of models that are very heavily discounted and includes some top of the range models
On the budget in question, the journey would be worthwhile (or even to London to try a wider range of kit)
agreed :)
EDIT: i like teles too haha.
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This tele is far from wimpy
(http://felineguitars.com/spec_sheets/guitar_images/sapele%20tabby/sapele-tabby-horiz-500.jpg)
It features a BKP Boss and a BKP Mule at the neck, and it rocks!
The BKP Boss is a real surprise - yes it will sound like a tele but crank up the amp and it can do classic rock and metal too. And a BKP mule at the neck - nuff said!
And this is a guitar I will do a sale price on leaving £800 to buy the Spider valve or whatever!
I have told her about your offer... She said she loved the look of it. You should get an email about it fairly soon.
Looks like we have a winner!
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Superior Humans 1 ..... Tele-haters, 0.
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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I can understand why people don't like the Tele shape, it's very irregular and the top wing looks almost unfinished to me... like there's another chunk to be cut out... but wimpy? Hell no.
Also, didn't that Tabby used to have a Riff-Raff?
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I have told her about your offer... She said she loved the look of it. You should get an email about it fairly soon.
Looks like we have a winner!
Excellent! :D
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In reality I have a love hate relationship with the sound of the tele, theres so many 'inde bands' with horrible tele tones (but then the same holds true of strats LPs and most other guitars).
But then I listen to Roy Buchannan, Dave Gilmour or a few others and hear a great raw sound and I fall back in love again
+1, I was put off geting one for ages because of the "indie band" image they seem to have become associated with, but then I just listen to Led Zep I and realise that they do more than that cr@p thin jangly indie tone :P Now I just want a Baja tele, they look so good and most of the clips I've heard of it sound really good to me.
I like the look of that feline, though would prefer a more traditional headstock, thats just me being picky though I think.
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I'd kinda like to see what a Tele-shape would look like with a PRS-esque headstock, I bloody love them... kinda like this other Feline. ;)
(http://www.felineguitars.com/workshop/images/fullfront.jpg)
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Bah Humbug!
Although, if she's going to get ANY tele, a Tele like that is about as good as it's going to get (yay for Feline!). The headstock on that one is much nicer than the normal headstock, too.
It is that un-cutaway section that I dislike. The other thing I dislike is that annoying metal bit around the bridge pickup (and the angle bridge pickup itself). Just looks rubbish, to me. A bit irrational, really, but there you go, that's me :)
Oh well, at least it's not me buying it, otherwise I'd be branding myself as a purveyor of bum-fun!
I suppose I'm to blame for all this in the first place: if I hadn't mentioned how cr@p tele's look, she'd not have ended up seeing that picture, and wouldn't end up looking like a carpet muncher if she does decide to go with it!
:)
Roo
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Aahh, young love... often laced with gay-jibes. :)
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Oh well, at least it's not me buying it, otherwise I'd be branding myself as a purveyor of bum-fun!
I suppose I'm to blame for all this in the first place: if I hadn't mentioned how cr@p tele's look, she'd not have ended up seeing that picture, and wouldn't end up looking like a carpet muncher if she does decide to go with it!
It's good to know that you see Teles as appealing to so many parts of the GLBT spectrum. :wink:
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I think we should add a couple of Analogies to that infact!
But personally - I don't think Teles look wimpish at all, I just think they sound too twangy, and traditional - I don't like strats either though, or Les Pauls with Scratch plates.
For me, it's a curved quilt top Superstrat with either an OFR or a stop tail - ESP Horizon is pretty much my dream guitar.
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Well, the latter could partake in the former with appropriate appendages, but I think I'm dragging us somewhat off track!!
If I were in her position (with looks being allegedly so important), I think I'd spend the 2 grand on a decent amp (hmmm, maybe a 5150-II ho ho ho) like a rivera knucklehead or maybe spider valve, and the remainder on a decent guitar, but not "too" decent, as she's not been playing long!
Don't forget to get some cables, too, something like these: cables (http://www.award-session.com/cleartone_cables.html)
How about something like an Ibanez RGT320Q "Wet Rose"? Ha ha!
But more seriously, there are plenty of guitars which we *could* suggest, but until she goes down to the shop to try out all sorts of different guitars (and in front of the mirror!), we're probably all way off target!
Roo
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I would spend about 1300 on the guitar and the rest on an amp.
I recommend the Screamer for versatility - Really don't like the Spider Valve very much...
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+1, I was put off geting one for ages because of the "indie band" image they seem to have become associated with, but then I just listen to Led Zep I and realise that they do more than that cr@p thin jangly indie tone :P
me too.
nice to see she's thinking of the feline, apmaman. :)
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1968 Les Paul custom, 1968 Les Paul Custom!
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Oh well. She went with the Epiphone ZW. Sorry that she didnt go with the Feline but ach well.
Cant win them all :wink:
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Dear oh dear...
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Dear oh dear...
Coulda been worse. She might of went for a Joe Strummer Telecaster :oops:
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Oh well. She went with the Epiphone ZW. Sorry that she didnt go with the Feline but ach well.
Cant win them all :wink:
Sheesh, what a tease!
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What is it?
Jackson custom shop
(actually, with the current £:$ rate you can get one for substantially less then 2k...)
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Actually i would get a decent amp first, the best guitar still sounds like sjeit trough a cr@ppy amp.
If it must be a guitar, i would go for a PRS or an older Gibson standard or even custom. They are simply a joy to play, hence the reccomendation.
Maybe a used standard from say the early 90's (which were very good) and a good orange amp, or laney amp? Would be doable and he will have a dream rig.
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Dear oh dear...
Coulda been worse. She might of went for a Joe Strummer Telecaster :oops:
So? I want one! lol
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Oh well. She went with the Epiphone ZW. Sorry that she didnt go with the Feline but ach well.
Cant win them all :wink:
dang :lol:
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this is going for very cheap!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2007-Gibson-1968-Custom-Les-Paul-Killer-Flame-Red-Tiger_W0QQitemZ260196176492QQihZ016QQcategoryZ47072QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122
merry christmas, I want it! I want it!
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this is going for very cheap!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2007-Gibson-1968-Custom-Les-Paul-Killer-Flame-Red-Tiger_W0QQitemZ260196176492QQihZ016QQcategoryZ47072QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122
merry christmas, I want it! I want it!
that finish is awfull. the colours are great - if they had done it as a burst it would be brill but patchy does not look good
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Actually i would get a decent amp first, the best guitar still sounds like sjeit trough a cr@ppy amp.
If it must be a guitar, i would go for a PRS or an older Gibson standard or even custom. They are simply a joy to play, hence the reccomendation.
Maybe a used standard from say the early 90's (which were very good) and a good orange amp, or laney amp? Would be doable and he will have a dream rig.
Playability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tone.
Good playing Guitar - Much more important that good sounding amp.
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this is going for very cheap!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2007-Gibson-1968-Custom-Les-Paul-Killer-Flame-Red-Tiger_W0QQitemZ260196176492QQihZ016QQcategoryZ47072QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122
merry christmas, I want it! I want it!
that finish is awfull. the colours are great - if they had done it as a burst it would be brill but patchy does not look good
What... you don't like the red and black camo look? :lol:
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if it looked like camo it might be all right - or at least be an interesting idea.
That just looks like a bad finish.
There is a technique for enhancing the figure in flamed maple that involves staining the wood black but sanding most of it off before spraying your colour coat. Its how they do finishes like Joe Perry's boneyard LP (the gibson version shows it done well the, epiphone doesnt)
The LP in the link looks like someone has done a very bad black and sand back finish - and i have seen enough bad examples to know what they look like.
Incedently i dont do black and sand back most of the time because whilst it makes the figure 'POP' it also kills the 3D effect you get from flamed maple.