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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: JJretroTONEGOD on December 30, 2007, 02:48:27 AM
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This is the best solo, I've ever heard!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2IU3926fsI&feature=related
I'm giving up playing. lol
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RIP Shawn...
But that being said - I've been looking at videos by a Russian called Arkadiy Starodoub, check him out on Youtube - Mad technique...
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lift music -> lift music -> fretwank -> lift music
Nothing in that vid inspired me to do anything, except to hit the back button.
Arkadiy Starodoub was more impressive, but I wish he'd turn up the backing track a bit. I mean, he's in time, but what makes really impressive music is the interplay between the instruments, and I couldn't hear the rest of the "band".
I liked the little licks he did when he slowed down a little, might work those out and try them in my solos.
watched this vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-gP5Lfl9fg), btw
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^ +1
MUSAK
This clips says WAY more to me and it's not just about the note count... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96HF4NSgqPY&feature=related
The ABB fused blues, rock and jazz in a very listenable way with genuine feeling that wasn't about trying to play faster than the next guy.
:twisted:
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It's technically excellent but it leaves me cold - although others are going to see this as approaching a pinnacle of playing ... I can't.
But that's music in a nutshell ... What one person thinks is fantastic, someone else simply can't see it.
This is what floats my boat for solo playing. It's not note count ... It's the feeling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-wHzlfLKbM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqAuuIDU2sw
Neil young, Gary Moore/BB King.
As different as it gets but both send shivers up my spine........
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+0.5 or something.
I'm very much in the feel>>>speed camp, and I enjoyed those Neil Young, Allmans and BB King clips. As for Gary Moore, I don't enjoy all his music but IMO there's no better guitar player on the planet (not that I'm into who's-better-than-who, but he's definitely in the premier league).
But I like that Shawn Lane clip, and I don't think the song's muzak either. It's a nice melody, and he has a great bluesy feel - in the bits when he's not just rattling off millions of notes per second. During the shred bits, I think it stops being music:
:guitar4: I'm playing a tune with the band (click) now I'm shredding (click) back with the band again (click) shred - shred - bit more shred (click) and rejoin the band to finish off. :guitar4:
There's another clip here, of Shawn Lane playing Sharp Dressed Man and Purple Haze in 1987. It's fun, but he stops the songs dead every few seconds to play those 1,000 mph flurries of notes. It should always be all about the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqT7_fV0Yuk
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I liked the volume swelly bits that sounded like some kinda synth on that track, but nothing else really did it for me, like most stuff I've heard from him actually. The rhythm section was cool though :)
Then again I think I'm just going off of solos at the minute, I like to hear good songs with guitar parts that actually work with the song and arent just there because its time for a solo spot, even though thats good every so often it does get tiring :P
edit - that Sharp Dressed Man and Purple Haze video is some of the worst cr@p I've ever heard :lol: So boring and doesnt fit the song at all. Also the man has zero stage presence :\
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+ whatever the count is now lol
I used to be into shred but now i don't really listen to it anymore as i prefer tasteful soloing. It has nice technical ability and i respect what he did but there's no feel or meaning to what he is playing. I'd rather listen to a tasteful guitarist like Tony Iommi or Gary Moore like Philly Q said.
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I don't think speed is necessarily a bad thing... but there is a TIME and a PLACE.
Like in sweet child, the whole song builds to that solo, which starts all slow and mournful, and then just explodes (not shred as such, but an excellent example of "rhythm dynamics")
And I don't mind instrumental songs either- like bad horsie. It's 6 minutes long, but like the best long songs it goes past quickly, because Vai is always doing something interesting, and the whole lot is held together with that riff.
And the Covonia award for best instrumental goes to: Hocus Pocus by Focus, for having air yodelling.
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Sigh.
This argument is such a shite one.
Why can't people seperate shred from music sometimes?
These guys have incredile technique and are having some fun. If you want to do nothing but put them down, then I don't see what's the point in playing guitar at all.
We should all just stop playing once we learn to play the Stairway solo.
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Now this is an instrumental (if you discount the yodelling)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpV5InLw52U
Noodle, there's no doubt that playing that quick is fun, but I think that describing that vid as the best solo ever was just pushing it a bit.
There is a time and a place for speed in music, but playing a whole piece at a bazillion miles an hour is not it. A song should build to a fast bit, not be defined by it. Sweet child of mine (not shred perhaps), is a good example, whether or not you like it. The way the solo starts out mournful and legato before it explodes into the fast bit is what makes the song great.
If you seperate shred from music, it is merely a sport. and frankly, for me, it holds less appeal than golf on the radio.
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I love focus :D
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:lol: the yodelling in Hocus Pocus!
If we're on instrumentals now, except the orchestral bit in the middle I love this http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTVnCyDoQlQ
Such a nice lead tone.
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If we're on instrumentals now, except the orchestral bit in the middle I love this http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTVnCyDoQlQ
That was wonderful! And what a lovely old '50s Strat too. It's great to see you young lads getting into this older stuff. Brings a tear to my rheumy old eye.
God, I wish it was the '70s again. Strikes, power cuts, flares, dodgy haircuts and all. No celebrity culture, no mobile phones, no 100s of TV channels all showing the same shite... happy days. :)
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From a theoretical point of view, this is one of the most complex solo's of all time! I disagree it lacks soul, people of feel threatend with complex music, which is why it's never popular.
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I don't think you can deny that shawn has a pretty amazing grasp of music and technical abilities, but at least to me it didn't sound as musical it could've been.
And I mean musical as in the more traditional sense, a more easily recognizable melody and rhythm, that's what sounds musical to ME.
I think the kind of rhythm shawn is putting out is just beyond comprehension for many people, that's why to them it's just noise, but it doesn't detract from its musical value in his mind.
But I'm a firm believer that without solid technique, you won't come anywhere close to being "the best", for example if you can write music like chopin but the fastest you can go is 2 notes a second then you're not doing yourself any favors. (in terms of being a good performing artist that is)
I would say the best musician I've ever heard on guitar is probably Guthrie Govan, perfect blend of amazing technique and music.
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From a theoretical point of view, this is one of the most complex solo's of all time! I disagree it lacks soul, people of feel threatend with complex music, which is why it's never popular.
I don't think people are threatened. Its not popular because it sounds odd.
Great playing to start with. He has great feel and command of the instrument, but the shredding is quite OTT.
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From a theoretical point of view, this is one of the most complex solo's of all time! I disagree it lacks soul, people of feel threatend with complex music, which is why it's never popular.
I don't feel threatened by it.
I do recognise the skill and technical expertise to be able to actually play it but it simply doesn't do anything for me at all.
It is important for me to qualify that in music what one person thinks is awesome, another will think ... meh.
It's been that way for a looooong time and it's why there is so many different forms of music.
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I'm really into my virtuoso shredders but I cannot stand lane, never have I heard a guitarist bar Rusty Cooley who goes out of his way to play total fretwank solos like he has forgotten the song he is playing.
gray pianos flying is the only listenable tune of his I've heard and this is also pretty cheesy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL4AMwrAcyE
Technical music isn't threatening its simply not enjoyable for people to listen to.
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Listen to Rules of the Game.
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These are stereotypes. Shawn had madass technique, was humble, and could play with feeling so much better than any blues player I've ever seen. A true genius. All in my opinion of course. I think he wrote incredibly beautiful music, and had a musical mind beyond anyone's comprehension.
Fast playing can be emotional and musical (Lane, Becker, Chopin), and slow playing can be uninspired wank (Clapton. That is all.), again, IMHO.
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Listen to Rules of the Game.
eh?
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I don't feel threatened by shreding either - I happen to like some players you could consider 'shredders', but they pace their playing so that the shedding has dramatic effect.
Randy Rhoads, Alex Skolnick, Kerry King, Steve Vai, Dave Mustaine, EVH - all players with shred AND taste. Their solos have structure not just a seemingly random selection of swept arpeggios and speed-picking up and down scales like it's an olympian event.
:twisted:
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There's another clip here, of Shawn Lane playing Sharp Dressed Man and Purple Haze in 1987. It's fun, but he stops the songs dead every few seconds to play those 1,000 mph flurries of notes. It should always be all about the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqT7_fV0Yuk
That was just painful... Pure self indulgence.
That and the first clip do nothing for me.
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There's another clip here, of Shawn Lane playing Sharp Dressed Man and Purple Haze in 1987. It's fun, but he stops the songs dead every few seconds to play those 1,000 mph flurries of notes. It should always be all about the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqT7_fV0Yuk
That was just painful... Pure self indulgence.
That and the first clip do nothing for me.
Hurrah! someone had to stand up and say it. This guy sucks...
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Their solos have structure not just a seemingly random selection of swept arpeggios and speed-picking up and down scales like it's an olympian event.
:twisted:
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Over your head doesn't equal random. :P
and I didn't intend that to be an insult, quite often I can't figure out one thing that Shawn is doing. I just love how it sounds and different, free and flowing he plays, articulates and phrases.
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Jesus christ.
I can't believe what I'm hearing here.
Shawn Lane is one of THE greatest guitarists of all time, the videos which have been shown are just him jamming, and having fun... Listen to some of his actual music before you call him bad.
Indy - That was a SERIOUSLY misguided comment. The guy does not in ANYWAY suck. Even if you don't like his music after you hear every performance he's ever made - You can in no way call this guy a bad guitarist.
Watch these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Me_J2FaVtU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ype9A7cqo5s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5alBC4KDXBg&feature=related
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Over your head doesn't equal random. :P
Claiming it's "over someone's head" seems like a pretty convenient way of justifying an argument.
It brings this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFtrlZn_H5g&feature=related) to mind...
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aahhhhh.... !!!!
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Indy - That was a SERIOUSLY misguided comment. The guy does not in ANYWAY suck. Even if you don't like his music after you hear every performance he's ever made - You can in no way call this guy a bad guitarist.
EURGH it's so hideously bland and devoid of anything that makes me able to listen to it. The tone is BAD, it's hideously painfully cheesy, completely rambling, completely self-indulgent. It just shouldn't exist as far as i'm concerned. Sure he clearly has technical prowess, and he can play a lot of notes in a short space of time, but it's HORRIBLE. waste of my time, waste of life. oh my god i just feel SO strongly about how bad this shitee is. i can't stand it. it's my idea of musical hell. no excuse for it.
EDIT: okay I've finished with those videos. i watched them all. all the way through. SO BAD. I HATE YOU FOR MAKING ME DO THAT. HORRIBLE. JUST TERRIBLE. THE VERY WORST.
Sorry for the rambling... there's just nothing worse out there on the internet.
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Indy - That was a SERIOUSLY misguided comment. The guy does not in ANYWAY suck. Even if you don't like his music after you hear every performance he's ever made - You can in no way call this guy a bad guitarist.
EURGH it's so hideously bland and devoid of anything that makes me able to listen to it. The tone is BAD, it's hideously painfully cheesy, completely rambling, completely self-indulgent. It just shouldn't exist as far as i'm concerned. Sure he clearly has technical prowess, and he can play a lot of notes in a short space of time, but it's HORRIBLE. waste of my time, waste of life. oh my god i just feel SO strongly about how bad this shitee is. i can't stand it. it's my idea of musical hell. no excuse for it.
EDIT: okay I've finished with those videos. i watched them all. all the way through. SO BAD. I HATE YOU FOR MAKING ME DO THAT. HORRIBLE. JUST TERRIBLE. THE VERY WORST.
Sorry for the rambling... there's just nothing worse out there on the internet.
I honestly don't know why you play the guitar, when you clearly hate the instrument.
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Over your head doesn't equal random. :P
Claiming it's "over someone's head" seems like a pretty convenient way of justifying an argument.
It brings this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFtrlZn_H5g&feature=related) to mind...
Philly my man... you have impeccable taste in comedy.
That series is a forgotten classic!
(You're right about the "over someone's head" issue as well)
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Indy - That was a SERIOUSLY misguided comment. The guy does not in ANYWAY suck. Even if you don't like his music after you hear every performance he's ever made - You can in no way call this guy a bad guitarist.
EURGH it's so hideously bland and devoid of anything that makes me able to listen to it. The tone is BAD, it's hideously painfully cheesy, completely rambling, completely self-indulgent. It just shouldn't exist as far as i'm concerned. Sure he clearly has technical prowess, and he can play a lot of notes in a short space of time, but it's HORRIBLE. waste of my time, waste of life. oh my god i just feel SO strongly about how bad this shitee is. i can't stand it. it's my idea of musical hell. no excuse for it.
EDIT: okay I've finished with those videos. i watched them all. all the way through. SO BAD. I HATE YOU FOR MAKING ME DO THAT. HORRIBLE. JUST TERRIBLE. THE VERY WORST.
Sorry for the rambling... there's just nothing worse out there on the internet.
I honestly don't know why you play the guitar, when you clearly hate the instrument.
only when it's ABUSED
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I honestly don't know why you play the guitar, when you clearly hate the instrument.
Probably because he enjoys "music" :roll:
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I still don't see your reasoning.
Shawn was top at everything, he could play slowly, melodically, and cleanly.
If you find Shawn hideous, then you probably would hate everything from Meola to Becker aswell :s
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If you find Shawn hideous, then you probably would hate everything from Meola to Becker aswell :s
Actively
just because that genre of music isn't my cup of tea, doesn't mean I don't like the instrument.
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Oh.
If you hate them all, then I don't mind.
I thought you just had an avid dislike for Shawn in particular, which would make no sense to me.
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....and were back to the bkp forum peacefullness we all know and love... That kind of peace that only occurs when we all have damn fine pickups in our guitars and can crank them up and play in whatever style we choose. (even if its loud, bad and slower than it should be like i play guitar) :wink:
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Sitting in my CD drawer I still have a couple of Steve Vai albums (from WAAAAAAYY back before every shredder started citing him), some Satriani, and even some Megadeth.
Funnilly enough I grew up and decided that:
1. Honestly, I'm never going to play that technically well, nor that fast.
2. Fast does not equal good
3. Fast does not equal musical.
Sorry Noodle. I completely respect your rights as a free thinking human being to listen to that stuff, but I do resent the fact that you were calling Indy (and by association others of us who don't get it) a non guitarist just because we feel the guy's not to our tastes.
Someone on here said they hate Clapton. Have they listened to the old stuff, rather than the greatest hits that are selected by the mass market appeal songs? I love Clapton and realise why he's now an out and out blues player who's made it into te mainstream; but it doesn't mean that everyone is going to be into the bloke, and I'm not going to slag off someone out there who thinks that Clapton is shitee.....that's their choice.
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I honestly don't know why you play the guitar, when you clearly hate the instrument.
I'm not sure about indy, but to me the guitar is a means to an end - to create music - rather than an end in itself.
I don't see why, just because someone doesn't enjoy hearing a guitarist play fast (note: not well, they are different), they are automatically thrown into a category of hating the instrument.
And I'm not just a shred hater:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nPGA3vjMLgE
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aYlx5gW90Aw&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=b5t5GukrWOU
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JRbPWcLode0
^all guitarists I wish I could play like.
Of those shawn lane videos, only epilogue for lisa was played like he meant it, and it was still so cheesy it made me want to sick.
Anyway, I'm done here. I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on shred.
And as for clapton: the coffee joke stands just as true for him as it does ginger baker, IMO.
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@above
Ok, I can say with absolute certainty that if You like SCARIFIED and GOOMY, then you're certifiably NOT a shred hater ;)
I used to annoy the cr@p out of people at school for blasting that stuff.
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Over your head doesn't equal random. :P
Claiming it's "over someone's head" seems like a pretty convenient way of justifying an argument.
It brings this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFtrlZn_H5g&feature=related) to mind...
Philly my man... you have impeccable taste in comedy.
That series is a forgotten classic!
(You're right about the "over someone's head" issue as well)
+1
Lee & Herring - now thats pure genius.
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I find Shawn Lane's playing kind of lacks the charisma of Vai/Satch/Malmsteen. He is a good player but his music just doesn't 'hit' me the same way that other 'shredders' do.
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Firstly, Philly & Afghan Dave thankyou, you summed up the majority of my feelings
Personally I'm tired of footstamping and accusations (it's always the same person when these subjects turn up) Should we not learn that once the usual accusations as made earlier in the thread has become pointless and we should ignore it ?
Still once puberty runs it's course things should calm down a bit.
The words many of us are working towards are 'Dynamics, Contrast and Variation.' Theres nothing wrong with playing fast, but if it's all that you have then you are heading nowhere (fast)
Just as I would get bored in the pub of somebody calculating square roots in his head, many of us get tired of what has become known as wankage, though the phrase 'One trick pony' may be a little more polite.
I will happily sit down (for a while) and listen to some DiMelola, Vai and even some (early) McLaughlin at least they they play 'for the song' much more than many of those mentioned earlier. I can listen to Holdsworth, Ollie Halsall (look him up) & Paul Gilbert for considerably longer once again becasue the song exists as a song not as an excuse to say "look at me and only me I'm the star"
There is a reason why EVH (for example) became famous, he had all the guitar gymnastics, strange noises and off the beaten track scales (modes) as far as regular rock music is concerned. It comes down to songs and the ability not to ruin the bloody things by playing entirely inappropiate guitar lines all the fecking time
Theres a reason why some guitarists never make it out of obscurity they simply didn't deserve it as theyre basically reciting Pi to 30,000 decimal places, and for most people this gets boring remarkably quickly.
Other players are too avant garde (Henry Kaiser), not prepared to compromise (Holdsworth) or simply never got the breaks (Robert Quine), but they didn't let technique become the sole purpose.
Anyway this is boring and pointless becasue it will happen again, and again and again...... (how many digits does Pi have ?)
Perhaps TO will have the decency to perform a mercy killing and kill this thread
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2. Fast does not equal good
3. Fast does not equal musical.
And every shredder knows that. Is it hard to grasp that people listen to music that happens to be technical becuase they like the music, not for the fact that it's technical?
Technique is a tool for your music, just as gear is tool for your music. Some people want to make music that requires a lot of skill, and some don't have that desire.
For the record, I do have a few Cream albums that I enjoy a little bit. Then I put on Paul Gilbert and hear him do everything they did only galaxies better.
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2. Fast does not equal good
3. Fast does not equal musical.
And every shredder knows that. Is it hard to grasp that people listen to music that happens to be technical becuase they like the music, not for the fact that it's technical?
Technique is a tool for your music, just as gear is tool for your music. Some people want to make music that requires a lot of skill, and some don't have that desire.
For the record, I do have a few Cream albums that I enjoy a little bit. Then I put on Paul Gilbert and hear him do everything they did only galaxies better.
I think we're already established the fact that there's good fast and there's bad fast. So let's not perpectuate any more of this argument about whether speed is a good thing.
I think what you're trying to say is, without both speed AND musicality, there can be no virtuosity. And that rhymes, so it must be true.
:P
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I've only just discovered Ritchie Kotzen, his styles pretty good I reckon and much better than a lot of shredders - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VjDnN_KotMs&feature=related
Great tone as well, me makes that strat sound so fat.
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I've only just discovered Ritchie Kotzen, his styles pretty good I reckon and much better than a lot of shredders - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VjDnN_KotMs&feature=related
Great tone as well, me makes that strat sound so fat.
And, as I'm forever saying, he's a great songwriter and a totally bloody awesome singer. The shredding is just an added bonus.
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to the guy who said paul gilbert does cream galaxies better is totally insane, cream was a genre defining band who did lots of cool new things and also have a great catalogue of songs. Whereas Paul Gilber is just a plain and simple rock shred gutiarist, his solo stuff is pretty poor compared to his bandwork which I am a huge fan of i.e. early Racer X & Mr Big.
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:D I cant believe that i havn`t posted a reply slagging you all for missing the point ! :lol: :lol:
As it goes plastercaster got it spot on then completely missed the point :roll: :wink:
To some guitar is a means of being a musical instrument, a means by which we make music both good & bad. How the instrument is used is not important but the outcome is what we care about.
To others the guitar is about the guitar. Pushing the barriers back as far as they can go regardless of the music ie there not song orientated. The song is a means to an end the end being about the playing so there technique is what they use to express themselves.
The secret is to be able to separate them both as a listener. Its perfectly fine to say you dont care for the speed merchant approach or that your more song orientated, or that you think a piece of fast playing is simply great, different horses for different courses.
As a young guitarists growing up i loved many great players non of them for there playing techniques but always because i loved the songs. I loved Randy not because he could play [ he obviously can ] but he wrote Crazy Train, a Heavy Metal legend. Look at Jimmy Page not noted for hes playing but was there a better song writer in the Rock Metal field ? Its the same reason that i love AC/DC, Judas Priest, rainbow, Genesis, Rush, Motorhead etc etc the list is endless. Its the biggest reason i`m so disappointed about the current Metal scene over the last 15years. They`ve all forgotten how to write good catchy songs that i can walk away singing.
BUT this doesn`t stop me appreciating great players. I`m a fan of Vai [ who i`ve seen several times live ] Satch [ i`ve payed out £130 for a special package seat at his Hammersmith gig next March ] Andy Timmons who i`ve actually received an Email from in the past ! Paul Gilbert is a great fun speed merchant i have a lot of time for as well. Yet i still no that the 2 best guitar solo`s in the world ever were both recorded by Dave Gilmour on Pink Floyds The Wall album [ Comfortably Numb 1st with Another Brick In The Wall prt 2 being the second best ] Oh & what about Billy Gibbons solo for Gimme Some Lovin`slow but beautifully played.
Remember speed is about the possibilities take & listen to it in context....
:D 8)
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I think JT has got it spot on there, though there is one part in there i'm not sure about.
"They`ve all forgotten how to write good catchy songs that i can walk away singing. "
I've just never really felt that that was what metal was about. Though i agree with it being good for rock.
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I think JT has got it spot on there, though there is one part in there i'm not sure about.
"They`ve all forgotten how to write good catchy songs that i can walk away singing. "
I've just never really felt that that was what metal was about. Though i agree with it being good for rock.
And that is another debate in itself, touching on subjects such as
1. Where does "rock" end and "metal" begin (and is that line, if there is one, constantly shifting)?
2. How to define "catchy"?
3. How to define "a song"?
And that perennial favourite
4. How to define "singing"?
Let's not go there again... :wink:
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I've only just discovered Ritchie Kotzen, his styles pretty good I reckon and much better than a lot of shredders - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VjDnN_KotMs&feature=related
Great tone as well, me makes that strat sound so fat.
And, as I'm forever saying, he's a great songwriter and a totally bloody awesome singer. The shredding is just an added bonus.
Fully agree.
He's one insane shredder who grew out in a big way.
Or an insane musician who still shreds, either way he's damn good. :)
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I've only just discovered Ritchie Kotzen, his styles pretty good I reckon and much better than a lot of shredders - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VjDnN_KotMs&feature=related
Great tone as well, me makes that strat sound so fat.
And, as I'm forever saying, he's a great songwriter and a totally bloody awesome singer. The shredding is just an added bonus.
Fully agree.
He's a insane musician who still shreds, he's damn good. :)
Kotzen is an incredible player who just happens to be well steeped in shred.
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I think JT has got it spot on there, though there is one part in there i'm not sure about.
"They`ve all forgotten how to write good catchy songs that i can walk away singing. "
I've just never really felt that that was what metal was about. Though i agree with it being good for rock.
And that is another debate in itself, touching on subjects such as
1. Where does "rock" end and "metal" begin (and is that line, if there is one, constantly shifting)?
2. How to define "catchy"?
3. How to define "a song"?
And that perennial favourite
4. How to define "singing"?
Let's not go there again... :wink:
haha yeh there's no point even starting that debate.
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Funnilly enough I grew up and decided that:
1. Honestly, I'm never going to play that technically well, nor that fast.
2. Fast does not equal good
3. Fast does not equal musical.
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That's ok, but if you are not pushing the boundaries of your own ability, then why play guitar at all? To me this is absolutley insane! lol
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That's ok, but if you are not pushing the boundaries of your own ability, then why play guitar at all?
To have fun, to make music!!!
It doesn't have to be a competition (even against yourself). And you can push your boundaries in ways other than notes per second.
This debate has just gone full circle. Again. And we're not getting anywhere. Let's all just agree to disagree.
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That's ok, but if you are not pushing the boundaries of your own ability, then why play guitar at all?
To have fun, to make music!!!
It doesn't have to be a competition (even against yourself). And you can push your boundaries in ways other than notes per second.
This debate has just gone full circle. Again. And we're not getting anywhere. Let's all just agree to disagree.
I agree about music is not a competition.
but why not have fun AND push boundaries? You can have both! everyone is almost in denial that fast playing exists, and if you people hate fast playing so much then why bother posting a response on a forum about Shawn Lane?
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Personally, I didn't start playing guitar to compete with all the shredders, i started playing and have kept playing it because i enjoy it. It's a hobby and it's great fun to play in a band and play/make the music you love and all that.
To me, if i kept trying to push the boundaries and be better than everyone, then it would cease to be fun anymore and i think i would loose interest in the instrument. Why compete with everyone when it's much more fun for everyone to be able to play on the same level.
Edit: well not the same level, but you get what i mean :D
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Why does it have to be a competition?
I improve my technique because I enjoy pushing my limits, and I love playing fast.
I find playing fast really fun, and I'm not competing with anyone :s
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Why does it have to be a competition?
I improve my technique because I enjoy pushing my limits, and I love playing fast.
I find playing fast really fun, and I'm not competing with anyone :s
That's good, as long as you enjoy it that's how it should be imo.
I just kind of get the feeling that out there you get some people who just try to compete to be the fastest, and that shouldn't be what the guitar is known for.
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everyone is almost in denial that fast playing exists, and if you people hate fast playing so much then why bother posting a response on a forum about Shawn Lane?
No-one is "in denial" that fast playing exists (that's what we're busy discussing, isn't it? If it doesn't exist, no discussion). And has anyone used the word hate? I don't think so, but I can't be bothered reading this whole thread again. If they have, I apologise and concede the point. :wink:
No offence, but you started this thread with a link to a YouTube clip and said "this is the best solo I've ever heard!" You didn't say who or what it was. Did you honestly expect everyone to watch it and just agree with you? This is a forum, a place for "open discussion or voicing of ideas". It isn't the Shawn Lane Appreciation Society.
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Why does it have to be a competition?
I improve my technique because I enjoy pushing my limits, and I love playing fast.
I find playing fast really fun, and I'm not competing with anyone :s
+1
I couldn't agree more!
seems this debate is getting heated lol
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seems this debate is getting heated lol
I thinks it's overheated. :lol: I'm burned out.
Time for bed. Nighty night.