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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: MDV on January 09, 2008, 04:39:16 PM

Title: Speakers
Post by: MDV on January 09, 2008, 04:39:16 PM: Folks,

I want to try and change the speakers in my amps to get the tightest, snappiest, punchiest tone I can.

I was thinking V30?

What do you think?

Amps are TSL602 (so I can change both speakers to different things if need be, or change one speaker and use that one for recording, which is what this is to improve) and Engl Screamer combo (needs re-tubing first, but I can always try the new speaker in that too)

Or do you think a closed back cab would give me more benefit?
Title: Speakers
Post by: Twinfan on January 09, 2008, 05:06:49 PM: You need a closed back with V30s. A V30 on it's own would help a lot though. A pair might be too honky, so I'd dump one G12T-75 for a V30 and see how you like it....
Title: Speakers
Post by: sambo on January 09, 2008, 05:09:14 PM: Yeah I would think closed back would be optimal for recording. Speaker-wise I'm clueless however.

Doesn't your Screamer have a V30, or were they not fitted in the older models?
Title: Speakers
Post by: _tom_ on January 09, 2008, 05:27:48 PM: In my opinion, closed back is better for recording. My cab has a detatchable back and when recording with the back off, its much thinner and weaker.
Title: Speakers
Post by: hunter on January 09, 2008, 06:34:43 PM: Quote from: _tom_
In my opinion, closed back is better for recording. My cab has a detatchable back and when recording with the back off, its much thinner and weaker.

Depends, if you have a second mic for the room, the opposite may be true. I quite like V30 in open back cabs.

If you wanna go real topend, get a Celestion Gold 50W, they are pretty awesome. Not for metal, but anything else ...
Title: Speakers
Post by: _tom_ on January 09, 2008, 06:39:39 PM: Ah, well I'm just micing up close with a single 57.
Title: Speakers
Post by: HTH AMPS on January 09, 2008, 08:13:41 PM: You can reinforce the bass end alot by placing the amp flat against the wall or in the corner of the room.

For the style of metal you play I'd say you can't go far wrong with a V30.

:twisted:
Title: Speakers
Post by: shaman on January 09, 2008, 11:47:28 PM: now for something completely different-I love EV m 12 L speakers--sooo efficient andreproductive of your sound-not sure about your wattage-my amps are tight and punchy, but its a boogie coliseum (180 watts-evs are rated at 200 wts a piece-I play thru 3 evs and 3 c 90's-a nice balance-)but, an ev/closed back cab is absolute and unforgiving-yessir! :P
Title: Speakers
Post by: Roobubba on January 11, 2008, 11:15:50 AM: Oooh, I bet nobody saw this one coming:

linkeh (http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10363)

That's my opinion anyway. Last night and band practice, those puppies were sounding SO DAMNED GOOD! Exactly what you described: tight, snappy and punchy.

Roo
Title: Speakers
Post by: JamesHealey on January 16, 2008, 09:47:59 AM: Classic Lead 80.

Punchiest, Brighest most touch sensative "explosive" speaker on the market.
Title: Speakers
Post by: Henk on January 16, 2008, 10:23:58 AM: The CL 80's will do that.

However, you could just go with the best speakers ever made and skip 20 years of agony and frustration trying to invent the wheel again......

You know im talking greenbacks i hope.

Or as a 'best of two worlds', go with the G12H heritage, but then again, why compromise when you know you want the best :roll: :lol:

(Sorry, im in a cr@ppy mood.... :twisted: )
Title: Speakers
Post by: MDV on January 16, 2008, 11:26:54 AM: I considered GB's, henk (I like their tone in some A/Bs I found), but the wattage is too low.

V30s are imminent.
Title: Speakers
Post by: Twinfan on January 16, 2008, 11:35:04 AM: Greenbacks aren't tight enought for me. I like a combination of V30/G12H.

Let us know what you think of the V30s, MDV :)
Title: Speakers
Post by: MDV on January 16, 2008, 12:42:35 PM: Will do!
Title: Speakers
Post by: sgmypod on January 16, 2008, 03:37:34 PM: Got to agree with twinfan that combo works well
Title: Speakers
Post by: Henk on January 16, 2008, 04:53:39 PM: OK, i give up on you guys :roll: :wink:

Like with all good things, you cant get it all i suppose, agree on the not so tight low end, but for me at least they make well up for is in the high end.

Anyway, the G12H heritage is supposed to combine the best characteristics of greenbacks and V30's which as such is quite interesting.
Title: Speakers
Post by: Twinfan on January 16, 2008, 04:59:07 PM: Quote from: Henk
Anyway, the G12H heritage is supposed to combine the best characteristics of greenbacks and V30's which as such is quite interesting.

They're great. Got a pair of those and a pair of V30s in my 4x12 :)
Title: Speakers
Post by: Roobubba on January 16, 2008, 05:34:43 PM: As I understand it, the higher power handling of my EVMs and G12K-100s (and V30s, etc for that matter) means no speaker breakup. Personally, I like this. I'm not after a chimey sweet vintage sound, I'm after a tight and brutal modern sound, and that mainly comes from my preamp distortion. That means I'm not after power stage distortion, and definitely not speaker breakup, even though these things are absolultely essential for other types of music, of course!

That's why I think something like the EVM12L-Black Label matched up with G12K-100s is more towards what MDV is asking for - good reproduction of the already fairly processed signal, with extremely tight response throughout the frequency spectrum. Oh, and that beautiful, beautiful grind of the G12Ks...

The mixture is fantastic, both clean and at high gain - really fills the room and makes you feel all warm and damp, if you know what I mean :)

Roo