Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: duffman18 on August 19, 2005, 04:20:09 PM
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I promote Bare Knuckle pickups everywhere I go. Every time I've tried them I swear they're the best pickups in the world.
However, some people are unwilling to try Bare Knuckles because you don't have sound clips. Someone on another forum was saying how they'd rather have Seymour Duncan's because they have an extensive amount of sound clips. He said that if you had the same then he'd try your pickups out. He can't be the only person who thinks like this.
If you're not aware, seymourduncan.com has sound clips of pickups in each position, played both dirty and clean. Also, it's just the guitar playing, with no backing track. No offense to some of the people who provide sound clips, but it's really annoying if you just want to hear the sound of the pickups and you have bass and drums in the background.
But yeah, I really reccomend you get some professional sounding soundclips for each of your pickups. You may be already working on this, so if you are then I'm sorry.
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Actually, I was hoping that someone would post a clip of a live band performance so you can hear how the pickup stands out in a live situation.
I'm not too fond of the SD soundclips. They're too short to give a good view. They also use the same amp, settings and riff for all the pickups. Some pickups are ment to be played through a Marshall or other high gain amp while some are ment to be played through a Vox or Fender. Same goes for styles.
Just my opinion.
I do prefer the clips on this forum that are played with a decent tube amp, though.
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i think HJM would be nearing "professional" level....
i like the soundclips system here at BKP. they have that DIY, grassroots, punkrock philisophy vibe :D
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All the clips on the SD website to my ears sound the same and are really short and dont really help. I also think the BK player's room clips show how good the BK pickups are,they may not have all been recorded at a professional studio but tonally they are very strong examples.Steve
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i think the soundclip idea on here is better than some random guy sitting in a room playing the same riff on the same amp etc etc.
The soundclips show what each pickup sounds like in the playing style it was 'designed' for, and also the variety of clips show how versatile the pickups are.
You cant get much more professional than clips like ones Steve does, or the official BKP ones by Tim + HJM or the metal clips Twilight Odysessy (a pro musician with a good band + records out there), or indeed ones by the band Jag Panzer!!!
Its not really 'annoying' as the guitar is usually well up front in mix aswell!! (how can you NOT hear the 'guitars tone' on Steves cold sweat clips or on Tim ripping through Ozzy tracks???? You MUST be deaf)
Yeah theres some rough clips, but who cares! On the whole they are infitely more insightful than a 20 second clip of a guy hitting a couple of chords 8)
Different strokes for different folks... id rather base my decisions on listening to John & Bob playing around with there new BKPs in the 'real world' than a short clip of 'dirty\clean' chords :)
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i think the soundclip idea on here is better than some random guy sitting in a room playing the same riff on the same amp etc etc.
The soundclips show what each pickup sounds like in the playing style it was 'designed' for, and also the variety of clips show how versatile the pickups are.
You cant get much more professional than clips like ones Steve does, or the official BKP ones by Tim + HJM or the metal clips Twilight Odysessy (a pro musician with a good band + records out there), or indeed ones by the band Jag Panzer!!!
Its not really 'annoying' as the guitar is usually well up front in mix aswell!! (how can you NOT hear the 'guitars tone' on Steves cold sweat clips or on Tim ripping through Ozzy tracks???? You MUST be deaf)
Yeah theres some rough clips, but who cares! On the whole they are infitely more insightful than a 20 second clip of a guy hitting a couple of chords 8)
Different strokes for different folks... id rather base my decisions on listening to John & Bob playing around with there new BKPs in the 'real world' than a short clip of 'dirty\clean' chords :)
Here! Here! And the much waving of ballot papers!
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Just remember though, that there are people that have SAID they'll buy Seymour Duncan's over Bare Knuckle pickups just because of the soundclips, so it doesn't matter if YOU like the sound clips, because you already own BKP.
This is an example of what someone said:
"fact: i'm only voting warpig so there will finally be somebody with a set so i can hear what they really sound like. i could care less what he gets, i'm just curious about these bareknuckle pickups because i've never actually heard a clip of somebody playing on them.
those $%&#ers need to put some seymour duncan style sound clips on thier web site. I'm interested in checking them out, but not if i can't listen to them."
From: http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9253070#post9253070
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"fact: i'm only voting warpig so there will finally be somebody with a set so i can hear what they really sound like. i could care less what he gets, i'm just curious about these bareknuckle pickups because i've never actually heard a clip of somebody playing on them.
those $%&#ers need to put some seymour duncan style sound clips on thier web site. I'm interested in checking them out, but not if i can't listen to them."
That f*cker was too lazy to sign up to this forum. His problem would've been solved.
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Fair comment, but its not until you actually own a set of BKP and play them through your own set up will you realise they are a cut above everything else,no soundclip anywhere can replicate that. When i got my first BKP there where no clips at all, it was just the word on the street from other players that made me check them out.Im glad i did.Cheers,Steve
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I agree with Steve above. Lets face it, most of us are keen "hobbyists" (sadly) and the clips are by real people using stuff we can all get hold of if we haven't already got it. Duffman's point was a valid one except that the SD soundclips did sound rather "samey" to me after a while and when i was toying with the idea of getting some, I'd narrowed it down to 3 or 4 models. With BKP I read the description and sought advice and got what i wanted. If someone is going to base their purchase purely on the basis of one maker having a sterile soundclip then more fool them.
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Just remember though, that there are people that have SAID they'll buy Seymour Duncan's over Bare Knuckle pickups just because of the soundclips, so it doesn't matter if YOU like the sound clips, because you already own BKP.
i dont yet own a BKP actually, but it was listening to soundclips on here that prompted me to actually order one for a new guitar i'm getting made at the moment (another 4 weeks before i hear a bkp through my amp!).... thats INSTEAD of getting a Dimarzio Air Norton set....
Theres no official Warpig clips i agree, a major major oversight!!
The point i'm making is, the clips on here give you a fairly decent idea of how the products actually sound when used to play music, with backing etc, which is what we'll be doing with the damn things :lol:
Basic a/b tone clips dont really tell you as much as a guy playing with backing and doing a whole song, or doing different styles... do they?
Yeah, so some models arent quite covered yet, but this is a relatively new company with ALOT to offer us and in time there will be even more clips posted up, SD has been going since before someone 1st thought itd be a good idea to wear spandex in public :lol:
Maybe Tim\ol could link from the product info pages to the decent clips on the players section forum posts for each pickup that has one?? 8)
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Just remember though, that there are people that have SAID they'll buy Seymour Duncan's over Bare Knuckle pickups
all i can say is their loss, once you've had a bare knuckle you never go back, if they wish to have tacky thin sounding pickups because they don't like sound clips from the average joe just like themselves/to lazy to do a tiny bit of research/don't have the b*lls to go out and purchase a kick ass pick up then fine, just please don't polute our ear space with your "tone".
I got my first bare knuckle just because seth stongly advised me it over a duncan, and you know what, he was damn right :P
Personally i think the sound clips on here are brilliant, there's alot more emontion in them, if you think about it, at bare knuckle you've got someone whos just got a brand new pick up they love, and there gonna want to showcase its abilitys to the fullest, were as, if you've got some guy/lass churning out the same clip over and over again, its gonna get pretty dull and boring for the person and thus have an effect on the playing.
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Just remember though, that there are people that have SAID they'll buy Seymour Duncan's over Bare Knuckle pickups
all i can say is their loss, once you've had a bare knuckle you never go back, if they wish to have tacky thin sounding pickups because they don't like sound clips from the average joe just like themselves/to lazy to do a tiny bit of research/don't have the b*lls to go out and purchase a kick ass pick up then fine, just please don't polute our ear space with your "tone".
I got my first bare knuckle just because seth stongly advised me it over a duncan, and you know what, he was damn right :P
Personally i think the sound clips on here are brilliant, there's alot more emontion in them, if you think about it, at bare knuckle you've got someone whos just got a brand new pick up they love, and there gonna want to showcase its abilitys to the fullest, were as, if you've got some guy/lass churning out the same clip over and over again, its gonna get pretty dull and boring for the person and thus have an effect on the playing.
damn straight brutha :lol: ! I think these soundclips on this forum are great really, I prefer "homemade" clips to ones that couldve had no end of EQ'ing etc by the big companies, these ones seem more "true" to me or something..
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Delete this if you want Ol.
There's nothing stopping Tim putting up more pro soundclips; I reckon there's none for the Warpig 'cos this model is probably selling really well. Someone looking for a Warpig type pickup knows what they want and its quite obvious from the specs and the name that this model will provide that.
Although I'd agree that the various soundclips may not give the best impression of tone due to everyone having different fingers and gear, I'll say again that BKP isn't exactly doing badly sales-wise at the moment (more speculation I know) so a better long-term tactic is to allow players to send in clips which gives this forum, and therefore the company, a pretty down to earth image. Because the clips are entertaining it attracts people to the forum, and therefore on to the pickups.
'Nuff said.
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What you have to realise is that we are a very small company as opposed to a multi million dollar company like Seymour Duncan.
Telling us to get sound clips done by professional musicians is all well and good, but everything costs money.
You can’t please every one, we've had people say they don’t trust sound clips because you never know how much processing has been done to the clip.
We are in the middle of a product page overhaul, including clips.
People can always go to a local stockist; most of them have a demo guitar with our pickups in to try out.
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Delete this if you want Ol.
There's nothing stopping Tim putting up more pro soundclips; I reckon there's none for the Warpig 'cos this model is probably selling really well. Someone looking for a Warpig type pickup knows what they want and its quite obvious from the specs and the name that this model will provide that.
Although I'd agree that the various soundclips may not give the best impression of tone due to everyone having different fingers and gear, I'll say again that BKP isn't exactly doing badly sales-wise at the moment (more speculation I know) so a better long-term tactic is to allow players to send in clips which gives this forum, and therefore the company, a pretty down to earth image. Because the clips are entertaining it attracts people to the forum, and therefore on to the pickups.
'Nuff said.
There is something stopping us putting more pro clips up, and that’s the fact that Tim works all day making pickups and has a family and just hasn't got time to record them at the moment. But they will be done.
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Fair enough, apologies to Tim.
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Just remember though, that there are people that have SAID they'll buy Seymour Duncan's over Bare Knuckle pickups just because of the soundclips, so it doesn't matter if YOU like the sound clips, because you already own BKP.
This is an example of what someone said:
"fact: i'm only voting warpig so there will finally be somebody with a set so i can hear what they really sound like. i could care less what he gets, i'm just curious about these bareknuckle pickups because i've never actually heard a clip of somebody playing on them.
those $%&#ers need to put some seymour duncan style sound clips on thier web site. I'm interested in checking them out, but not if i can't listen to them."
From: http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9253070#post9253070
That’s funny; Ive just read the posts in the link. I like the way every one that is slagging them off has never heard them and admits it. But still they are obviously experts on our product.
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You can’t please every one, we've had people say they don’t trust sound clips because you never know how much processing has been done to the clip
my point exactly, I'd trust amateur clips more than SD "Pro" clips, mostly because I guess alot of amateur home recorders cant be bothered with all the processing etc?
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Professional Clips!!!
What the hell are the 3 I posted up at the top of the players room!
The reason I didn't do it the SD way is so many people commented that it wasn't relevant and in the retail sector the SD tone CD is a bit of a joke as it's nigh on impossible to tell any of the pickups apart.
OK so one guy on a SD forum can't be bothered to come on over and check our site out and listen to the clips.............big deal, what does he expect, me to haul a load of gear round to his place and play live for him!
The clips on our forum are real, they're played by real users and hell, that's what the pickups are gonna sound like whether you like it or not.
At the end of the day some people will use every excuse under the sun to not go and check something out...............meanwhile the rest of us are getting on with it and doing it.These people are usually the ones standing at the back of gigs with their arms folded..........plenty to say but nothing to do.
Finally, if that '$%&#er' wants to come and put a days work in with this'$%&#er', he'll see that my time is at a premium.I really wish I could spend all day doing clips but I have pickups to make, and ALOT of them.Oh and I forget to mention a family too!
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Professional Clips!!!
What the hell are the 3 I posted up at the top of the players room!
The reason I didn't do it the SD way is so many people commented that it wasn't relevant and in the retail sector the SD tone CD is a bit of a joke as it's nigh on impossible to tell any of the pickups apart.
OK so one guy on a SD forum can't be bothered to come on over and check our site out and listen to the clips.............big deal, what does he expect, me to haul a load of gear round to his place and play live for him!
The clips on our forum are real, they're played by real users and hell, that's what the pickups are gonna sound like whether you like it or not.
At the end of the day some people will use every excuse under the sun to not go and check something out...............meanwhile the rest of us are getting on with it and doing it.These people are usually the ones standing at the back of gigs with their arms folded..........plenty to say but nothing to do.
Finally, if that '&$%#er' wants to come and put a days work in with this'&$%#er', he'll see that my time is at a premium.I really wish I could spend all day doing clips but I have pickups to make, and ALOT of them.Oh and I forget to mention a family too!
haha this thread might as well be closed now Tims posted in it :P Any chance of taking on any trainee pickup builders, I'm sure itd be a lot more interesting than staying on for my A levels :lol: I dont suppose youd have the time to "teach" someone how to do it though...
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Coming in a bit late on this one, but I just wanted to say that it wasn't the clips which made me buy my first BKP's, it was talking with Tim and having him spend the time to answer my questions when I had never bought his product and he had no idea whether or not I would.
You can't get this sort of service from any of the other pickup makers that I know. Tim asked me about the sounds I wanted and then made suggestions. Since then I have added a lot of BK's and replaced SD, DiM, Gibson and Tom Holmes pickups.
There is another problem with professional sound clips, it is the lack of emotion. When I use my guitars with BK's they are really responsive to the way I play, they have screaming harmonics if I want them, but they can also chug and be mellow too. How do you demonstrate this with a flat sound clip?
Also, remember that different guitars will voice the pickups differently. If I want to use a humbucker in a Strat and the sound clip is played in a Les Paul, it will not help me because the tonal characteristics are different. Even using a maple vs rosewood neck strat will make a difference. The great thing with the players section is that you can ask if someone can demo a pickup with a guitar similar to the one you are thinking of putting it into. The clips might not be 'professional', but I think that you will get a better impression of the actual tone in a real situation.
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Maybe Tim\ol could link from the product info pages to the decent clips on the players section forum posts for each pickup that has one?? 8)
The sound clips button on each product page does infact link straight to the Players room on the Forum - almost what you suggested! :-)
With respect to SD style riffs or home grown, it's a bit like marmite...
Ol.
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What you have to realise is that we are a very small company as opposed to a multi million dollar company like Seymour Duncan.
Telling us to get sound clips done by professional musicians is all well and good, but everything costs money.
You can’t please every one, we've had people say they don’t trust sound clips because you never know how much processing has been done to the clip.
We are in the middle of a product page overhaul, including clips.
People can always go to a local stockist; most of them have a demo guitar with our pickups in to try out.
HOLY CR@P!!! I´m eager to SEE this. i´ll wait for this to start ordering my set.
but i´ll be OFF from 27 Aug - 5 Nov.
will this update being made between this period?Or later?
Hails
J.P
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OK,now that i read all the posts i´ll talk something about this.
well, i have the SIngle coil and humbucker SD cd.
of course, I CAN´T say (with my eyes blindfolded) the name of each pickup by just hear it without read its name on the cd tracklist, but training your ear(repeated times) you can memorize the tone of a couple of them. said that.
i agree and disagree with lots of opinions in this thread in particular.
i ......... no, nevermind.
forget
Hails
J.P
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:D Your right that most of us are not pros & therefore our sound clips are not professional. But if `ya can`t hear the tone difference from them then `ya really have got no ears !! One of the big problems is what type of clip do `ya put down ? :?
Tim has already pointed out on previouse posts that French Jazz guitarists are playing Warpigs !! does Tim now record Warpig Jazz Clips or record full on Metal clips for them ???? :?
Not easy is it ? the idea of the Players section is that you guys can get an Idea of how the P/U`s sound & ya can request clips to be put down by players !!
SD`s clips are s**t the only thing they did was confirm to me that they where overated & all sounded the same. infact it was because i was so disallusioned with them that i desided to click onto this website !!
AS for the Donkey Turd that won`t buy a set of BK`s because there are no pro clips, if your that stupid then ya can`t be that great a player to start with & ya can`t be non to bright either !!
:D 8)
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When I was looking for a pickup for the Mockingbird I stumbled across BKP. I could tell from the website and the reviews it was a company that believed in their product and that these people put their heart, soul, blood, sweat and tears into it. There were no soundclips and forum yet. I just took the chance and bought the most expensive pickup I ever bought for a really cheap guitar and I never had any regrets.
As the number of soundclips grows, there's a good chance you'll find a clip with a similar amp and guitar to yours. I'd say that is very relevant and usefull. You don't have to imagine a lot about how you will sound with that particular pickup. On top of that you can always ask questions to the maker of the clip.
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Finally, if that '&$%#er' wants to come and put a days work in with this'&$%#er', he'll see that my time is at a premium.I really wish I could spend all day doing clips but I have pickups to make, and ALOT of them.Oh and I forget to mention a family too!
Not to mention me taking up way too much of Tim's time discussing ideas and learning from his wisdom and experience.
In time - more and more players clips will be on the forum and those that really shine out and best represent the pickup's sound may indeed be the points of reference that everyone choses to refer to.
Heck if it gets that good , Ol may even have to make a shortlist of the ones we like the most
BTW - I have a set of the SD CDs here and have used them, and loaned them out as well ., but they aren't the best way as only by fitting the pickup to YOUR guitar and playing it through YOUR amp Using your playing style will you know how the pickup will work for you.
I have as many BKPs fitted to guitars as maybe anyone here in the UK and can advise customers on their sounds based on my experience, and let them try them out for themselves. I still find myself asking questions of Tim and other guys to broaden my outlook- so it's a learning curve for all concerned.
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Just to add that I think BKP's got it absolutely right when it comes to sound clips. I find 300 10 second clips with some generic amp setting useless. I find an entire community comming up with a small number of creative and informative 'unproffessional' clips far more helpfull and interesting.
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Actually, I think SD-style short clips would be useful, but more as an adjunct to the existing clips. (And anyone who doesn't think Tim's and HJM's clips sound pro ... clearly hasn't heard very good pro playing :)!) But, anyway, different customers will be convinced by different kinds of info. No reason not to me as many things to as many people as possible ... eventually.
It is, after all, clear that these things take time and effort, and BKP are rightly putting the maximum of time an effort into making great pickups, rather than just tarting up the presentation of what they have. While I, as a would-be customer, would like to see and hear more detailed info, I know its in the pipeline and I'm comfortable knowing that the main work is the product rather than the product descriptions :).
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Well...this has been a busy weekend....
I can't say I'm 100% agreed or disagreed with any of these posts. Soundclips can only ever give an indication - everytime I've bought on the basis of a soundclip or spec chart I've been dissapointed. With the advice and experience between BKP bys and the forum most people should get what they want, and there's allways the BKP backup aswell.
As for SD clips, I can hear a difference, but I don't really think any of them sound great, I guess the guitar wasn't great. Plus I agree that some pickups you'll play certain styles with and not others. I would go with a plain and simple clean chord, humbuckers in the same Les Paul, singles in the same strat/tele. There may be some use there too.
I like the DIY approach lots, plus with bass and drums you get to hear how a pickup sounds in a mix, there's no point buying a pickup with mo midrange 'cause it sounds killer in isolation on a clip,great in the bedroom, then to turn up at a gig and wonder why you can't hear yourself!
I'm ignoring the bit about professional soundclips......
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I like the DIY approach lots, plus with bass and drums you get to hear how a pickup sounds in a mix, there's no point buying a pickup with mo midrange 'cause it sounds killer in isolation on a clip,great in the bedroom, then to turn up at a gig and wonder why you can't hear yourself!
That's a good point. When I first started home-recording, I would start by figuring out some monstrous guitar sound (with way too little midrange and way too much bass) and then wonder why it all went to mush in the mix :). I've been working on getting things a bit more balanced since then .... :)
But, of course, Tim's and HJM's clips have backing instruments, so problem solved. Overall, the "official" BKP clips have pretty similar guitars and amp settings to each other, and I think they do a good job of a) showing off individual pickups, and b) letting you compare the sound of one pickup to another when played in broadly similar environments.
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Wouldnt it be nice if Steve Stevens would do a demo, as he is now using the pickups.
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hmmmmmmmm...at first i thought i'd like to hear some clips, but then i took the outrageously large jump of joining the forum (i am being sarcastic here...). and then i heard some real nice soundclips of VHII's in action (thanks JT :) )and that swung me over. Loads of clips! It didnt matter to me who was playing or what they were playing, i just wanted to hear the tone. And i think my playing is nothing like JT's, but it was his demos that really swung me over, and the dedication i could see that Tim was working with, and the support so many people here give him and BKP.
I'm rambling, but basically, would you buy the new Nike trainers cos Thierry Henry wears them or because everyone you know supports them, because the company treats you with great respect and will custom make the product to your order, and gets nothing but glowing endorsements?
Also, one last thing. It may sounds a bit pretentious, but i feel what i get from my BK's is more than just a sound...its an inspiration. You can't get this from a soundclip; its something that happens when you feel the craft and the weight of your shiny new pickup and install it in your guitar and fire it up for the first time...and you think of the care and work that's gone into it. That, as much as sheer tone, is why I love my pickups so much.
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In my opinion, the whole sound clip discussion is ridiculous. Nobody serious can buy a pickup if they just listen to a soundclip. A sound sample can give a general idea of what a pickup sounds like, but that´s all. Whoever records the sound sample, pro or not, it still cannot replace the real experience of listening yourself playing the pickup. I know well, we don´t have a million dollars to buy every piece of gear in the world to try, but hell, At least sometimes it´s clear what you can expect from a product. I know i cannot expect the same from a company that winds billions of pickups, to one that has real people busting their asses, winding them by hand with the best components. I really want to trust a company that can give you a personal idea of what pickup could help to get your tone, rather than using a "tone wizard" program. Not only that, i will be very happy to buy a pickup from someone that offers me to try a different set, if the one i received didn´t meet my expectations. Unfortunately i couldn´t do that with my two SD sets.
So after all, I believe there´s much more involved in wanting to try a pickup than listening to a sound clip. Actually, my previous pickups didn´t sound at all like the SD clips. I think the players section is great cause it shows lots of different people, with different styles, using the pickups. So yeah, you can hire a pro and make him record great soundclips, but the people listening to them, are they gonna get that tone? i don´t think so.
Lets get real, in the search for tone, sometimes you have to take chances. When you want great quality from a product you can´t rely on a sound clip downloaded from the internet, which in most cases you will listen with cheap pc speakers. I am so happy i took mine because, i got what i expected and more!!!!
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Getting customers to demo their own pickups was a stroke of genius, it backs up the company's (well deserved) image of caring about ordinary players and getting them involved.
I considered SDs before I found BKPs and downloaded a load of clips from their site. When I listened and heard how much compression they'd added it made me wonder how much EQ and god knows what else was in there. I ended up not trusting them right from the start (which was perhaps a little unfair) but they also sounded very sterile.
I think there are a number of clips on the forum that could stand up against any of the bigger companies. I record backing for my clips because it gives me an excuse to learn my recording software but if anyone would like clips of my Apaches with no backing track just ask.
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hey Gary, is there any chance you could record a really ripping bit of lead guitar on the apaches? only I'm interested to hear how they compare to the Irish Tours.
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hey Gary, is there any chance you could record a really ripping bit of lead guitar on the apaches? only I'm interested to hear how they compare to the Irish Tours.
I've just (within the last few minutes) posted a neck/ middle clip. I've also got a couple of others on the players' forum and I'm planning a few more (I was supposed to use the last month to learn some new songs while our keyboard player was on holiday but this was more fun).
If you've got anything specific in mind let me know but bear in mind I'm not a super fast player. I have to rely on being melodic and tasteful and hope that it convinces people I know what I'm doing!
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I like that clip! :) its a really nice tone you get with them. I'm just working out whether to save for Apaches or Irish's; I know the IT's can handle the overdrive, and im just wondering how much power you can get from the Apaches. Thanks for the clip, nice playing!
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Why cant people just read a review? Its what i did, i havent found the sound clips yet!
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BKP's soundclips not professional? the quality in those 3 soundclips is above the majority of the official release CD's that we get sent for review at shredaholic.com from professional guitarists - and they care a great deal about the quality of their recordings.
The clips are much easier to tell apart from the seymour duncan ones, and the way in which they were done makes it a lot easier to tell the different tonal characteristics of the pickups. The miracle man clip alone convinced my friend that he NEEDED to put a BKP in his jackson, and he hasn't even heard my VHII's yet.
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Just throwing my tuppence worth in,
Firstly I want to say that the number of quality tracks (& shorter demos) being posted speaks volumes to what the purchasers think of both the pickups and the service that they receive.
Anyway,
Somebody (I'm to lazy to go back and look) mentioned near the start that peoples playing styles make a difference, along with the amp, boosters, speakers and guitar.
If somebody gave me the same equipment as Hendrix used and the ability to hit the right notes. I would still sound completly different.
With that number of variables it would probably be pointless to use the clean / dirty examples as used by SD.
The names of the pickups show the 'original intent' of the pickup as trpified by BKP (and even SD with the Pearly Gates for example).
The user (and bkp produced) tracks show what can be done with a particular equipment setup and playing style, and speaks to me (pardon the pompous term) much more than 5 seconds of a bland soundbite.
As the players have already put in a lot of time to produce these tracks, it may be a bit cheeky to suggest this but here goes;
Perhaps it would be possible when the tracks to be posted for the guitar tracks to be posted as separate attachments (for those with the technology to do so).
Perhaps (here I'm getting cheeky) without any heavy duty eq, so it's easier to get an rough idea of that the guitar sounded like.
Hope this offends nobody,
Kilby...
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to post a clean and dirty clip for each pickup, with the same amp settings and EQ, takes the pickup out of context. for example, if someone posted a stormy monday clip through a cranked triple rec with scooped mids, it would just take the pickup out of context.
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As the players have already put in a lot of time to produce these tracks, it may be a bit cheeky to suggest this but here goes;
Perhaps it would be possible when the tracks to be posted for the guitar tracks to be posted as separate attachments (for those with the technology to do so).
Perhaps (here I'm getting cheeky) without any heavy duty eq, so it's easier to get an rough idea of that the guitar sounded like.
Hope this offends nobody,
Kilby...
I intentionaly use minimal eq - just enough to compensate for my rubbish mixer. If I use any other effects I'll say so in the post.
Because of the way I put the recordings together this would be no trouble at all - probably less than 10 minutes work. If you want one of mine just let me know. I probably won't be doing any new ones for a while because my band is back gigging after our summer break and I'm supposed to be learning new songs.
BTW I can't think of anything you've said that would offend anyone.
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BTW I can't think of anything you've said that would offend anyone.
Thats a change for me ;)
Theres nothing in particular that I require (apart from a nice lookin redhead with lax morals & lots of money).
Personally I think the full track method is the best, but I just thought that the separated guitar tracks would benefit those who think they need more info (or alternativly those who worship @ the altar of SD).
The variation of styles in the tracks posted certainly give me ideas on how the pickups behave in different styles (though perhaps a bit too much metal & shred for me).
After all the SD examples don't tell us for example how pinch harmonucs behave on a particular model.
Kilby...
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I agree that having the players themselves post clips is genius. However I would love to be able to compare what a Bareknuckle sounds like in one guitar contrasted with stock pickups in the same guitar playing the same thing.
As I can not go down to my guitar shop and try out some bareknuckle pickups, and there are no guitars sold (that I know of) that use bareknuckle as stock pickups - I want to try and get an idea of how much of an improvement they would make to my guitar.
ideally I would like to hear a epihone es295 played with bkp90s - however if I could hear any epiphone with stock pickups - and then listen to various bkps in the same guitar, playing the same piece of music - then I would be able to compare the sounds sufficient to figure out what improvement would be made to my guitar.
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I agree that having the players themselves post clips is genius. However I would love to be able to compare what a Bareknuckle sounds like in one guitar contrasted with stock pickups in the same guitar playing the same thing.
Interesting idea ... I'll have to record some short riffs with my current Gibson LP Std stock pickups, and then re-record them after I get my BKPs!
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that's quite a good idea
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yeah, we really need some p90 clips up. come on! i know some of you haven them... don't make me start naming names...
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need more warpig clips too!
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More of everything perhaps :)
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I agree that having the players themselves post clips is genius. However I would love to be able to compare what a Bareknuckle sounds like in one guitar contrasted with stock pickups in the same guitar playing the same thing.
Nearly all of our maindealers have demo axes that you can try out and compare to stock ones in their stores.We also do at least two public trade fairs each year where you can come along, try out virtually any of our pickups and compare them to what else is around.Obviously I can't do that on the web, I'd have the site from hell there's be so many clips :lol:
What I'm trying to achieve is strat to the point, informative product specs and clips.I appreciate that not everyone can get to a dealer but there are alot of informative reviews on Harmony Central, alot of users you can question in serious detail on the forum and plenty of clips too.
We're doing our level best to get things right and provide as much support as we can and it is an on going commitment.
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Obviously I can't do that on the web, I'd have the site from hell there's be so many clips :lol:
And legal woes from hell, to match!!!
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:D There`s also the additional problem that once you go down that road it`s never ending. You`ll end up with people asking for clips of a guitar make say Epiphone loaded with SD`s, Then Dimarzios, Linleys Etc the list is endless. just so they can compare them. And then you`ll get people saying can we have all of the above in an Ibanez so i can compare them. How many guitar makes are there & how many P/U brands ? At some point in the buying process you have to take a leap of faith. & there is enough info on how good these P/U are on other web sites for you to be able to make your mind up.
:D 8)
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[quote="jtYou`ll end up with people asking for clips of a guitar make say Epiphone loaded with SD`s, Then Dimarzios, Linleys Etc the list is endless. just so they can compare them. And then you`ll get people saying can we have all of the above in an Ibanez so i can compare them. [/quote]
Some people want to be spoon fed, heading down that route you then get into requests for particular amplifier models to be used.
Even at this stage of the players section most 'normal' people should be able to get an reasonable idea a particular pickup & body combination can do.
It would be nice to get a few more musical styles online, rather pickup / body combinations, but that may be my own ecclectic tastes cutting in.
For a shop having a pimped LP (epi or real deal) and a pimped strat style, alongside a matching stock version, should be enough to judge the sound difference.
I'm possibly walking a dangerous tightrope saying this but;
Possibly I am crediting too much intellegence to the public, but the basic sound if an Ibanez is not really that far from other super st--t guitars and PRS Single cuts where not exactly a million miles from a certain other single cut product (which sounds much better).
Surely most people can translate the tonal differences between guitars of similar construction, materials and pickup types, even I can and I can't play for shite.
When I hear the Ibanez and PRS ranges (for example) mentioned it's usually to do with playability and build quality. Infact tone is seldom mentioned. In the guitar rags and on TV (anybody watch the experts on the musicians channel <evil grin>) every PRS and Music Man I hear sounds so processed it makes me want to puke.
anyway it's almost time for me to finish my shift so I will leave you all in peace.
Kilby...
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Some people want to be spoon fed, heading down that route you then get into requests for particular amplifier models to be used.
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:D Oh yer then it`ll be can i hear`em with X amount of gain etc. As for different music styles....... being that most of us have a Blues/Rock back ground most guitar players should be able to tell the overall type of tone the P/U will help to give.
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