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At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: Will on January 17, 2008, 01:24:11 AM
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Errr, well I seem to have been getting more and more nocturnal over about 5 years, guess I shall be up for 3 more hours tonight, and getting rather annoyed at this point, as I am too shattered to do school work, but to awake to sleep...
Doctor won't give me sleeping pills, and the herbal stuff doesn't work...
so, my point is: any advice on making me sleep?
long midnight walks don't tire me out, or exercise in any way
guitar seems neutral, and merely passes time
and I never want to see a sheep again, so no counting sheep
getting rather critical as I am nearing January exams, and a helluva lot of History essays too :( (that were due in last week)
please help!
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hmmm...sounds like stress, no doubt-if it IS causing problems, I would suggest a little hypnosis-yep....after I had a back surgery yrs ago,same thing happened-a self hyp tape really did help me...but you must believe in it to work..
another suggestion:go have your blood pressure measured
high bp can be causing that as well(take it from me..I have heart disease...when I figured it out and starteed taking meds, sleep improved...) *** remember, you can be young and have heart problems..so many times, it is in the family..heredity...
OR...drink until you pass out-my favorite remedy!
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I would say a good relaxation cd. I can't bear the new age music type but there are one or two hypnosis cds about that think are pretty good. You don't have to believe in it-just let go of the day.Glenn Harrold is supposedly good-according to my missus who knows about such things.
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diet can help as well. not eating or drinking anything too stimulating after a certain time.
high protein at supper, lots of beans, pulses and leafy green veg .... as well as foods like lettuce and bananas
camomile tea instead of caffine drinks
handfull of nuts of some fruit just before bed
supplements like 5-HTP or magnesium
all these things either increase serotonin (calmes you down), help to sedate the nervous system or just reduce stimulants in the body
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I actually have a similar problem. I'll find that sometimes it's late, but I just can't bring myself to go to sleep, and when I finally do I might lay around in bed for a good hour before I actually fall asleep. In a month, when I go back to classes, I'm going to have to wake up at 6:00 AM, so hopefully I adjust my schedule by then. I'm thinking that if I force myself to wake up earlier I'll end up going to sleep earlier and I'll eventually get adjusted to going to sleep earlier.
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Could be a bit of stress causing it, though you may not be recognising it as stress
I'd definately go with Wes and his suggestion of camomile tea if you are a coffee or tea drinker try swapping to herbal teas particularly in the evening as it can take a while for the effect of caffine to go away
I also found that reading anything that stimulates the imagination before trying to sleep messed up my sleeping, so perhaps choosing something that is pure entertainment instead, as that helps to put your mind in neutral.
If you have a digital try BBC Radio 7, as they run old radio serials and comedy shows, which can be pretty relaxing (for some people)
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I can echo the suspicion that it is stress related. I even wonder if you have a touch of stress or seasonaly triggered depression. A few people I know did not reclaim a 'normal ' sleep pattern till an underlying stress related depression had been treated by a short course of Anti-depressant medication. One of the deceptive things about depression, is that you may not feel depressed - but you eat junk late at night and fail to sleep e.t.c. (When under stress or depressed the hypothalmus tends to give out the wrong signals regarding sleep and eating patterns).
If this is more innocent than that, then I can also confirm that an insomniac mate of mine goes to bed straight after work at about 6-7pm, then gets up after his wife falls asleep about 10-11pm to listen to radio 7 from the comfort of his sette whilst his wife sleeps undisturbed upstairs. I have found that these things can be an indicator that we need to look at some other, more subtle aspect of our lives for an answer.
You mentioned that the guitar playing was "neutral" just now ? - what are your eating patterns/choices/attitudes just now ? Look at the bigger picture, the insomnia may just be the tip of a temporary iceberg which is trying to draw your attention. Perhaps discuss this matter with a more enlightened G.P. ?
All the very best with it Will.
Regards,
F.F.
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Diet is massively important, don't eat any cr@p and cook everything from raw ingredients. Also exercise early evening say 4-6pm and do a hard workout which should fatigue you like swimming or weights at the gym. Your doing long midnight walks is a bad idea, exercise will stimulate you and make it impossible to sleep until a long time after the effects have worn off.
If you can afford it get some Valerian, Ive heard lots of good things about this stuff and you should be able to buy it from Holland and Barrett. Like all pills even herbal ones you shouldn't use them forever, just try it out see if it works etc.
Also try http://www.healthboards.com/ for more information they have a pretty good community there who has tested pretty much everything.
Finally try to go to bed at a regular time each evening, ideally you wanna be awake 16 hours a day and sleep 8.
In my experience exercise is the key, if youre physically tired you will sleep!
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I was like this about a month or two back but I've managed to even it back out now. What I did was just force myself to get up early, even after not having much sleep, which then I guess made me feel tired earlier in the night than before, and it seems to have worked for the time being.
Oh, and getting drunk always makes you sleepy :P
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Work hard or go to a gym, get tired, sleep like a baby.......
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Thanks for this advice, I shall try it.
I haven't gone walking in the night for a few years, it was an experiment 2 years ago :P but yeah, thought that would be a suggestion.
stress: yeah, well I do know that I suffer from stress, but usually it leads to neck tension > tension headache > migraine :( and the cause is school, went 4 weeks of 17 hour shifts around a combine harvester and felt more alive than full time academia.
Just in my last year of school, and its getting to the point where if I stumble, I may just get kicked out, and that would be a waste of a lot of time I think, so need it sorting for the last few months
Can't claim that my diet is healthy, but I have quite a bit of fruit a day, and its not particularly unhealthy.
Yet again, thanks for the advice, I usually go to sleep with a film on, or some background noise to get me to sleep. Last night however, turned everything off, and got to sleep an hour earlier than predicted :)
oh, and the guitar playing being neutral, it doesn't make me more awake or tired, happier :) but kills time.
Anti depressants are a big no no, makes migraines worse, and constant
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I try not to drink coffee after 3pm, I'm trying to replace coke with brita filter water with orange
balanced diet like the others said, if you live off carbs your energy levels go up and down like waves (apparently) where as with a proper diet your energy levels are more like a straight line (not sure how accurate this is and which kind of carbs this applies to though, I might be speculating a bit)
I don't really have any other advice for sleep but for waking some people have 2 alarms, the first being music on a low volume to get you out of deep sleep, then 90 minutes later a buzz to wake you from your lighter sleep, never tried it myself but it's meant to work well and stop you wanting to sleep in the day
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My guess is that this could be related to an anxiety/stress issue. Physically speaking, your body typically needs x amount of hours rest a day. Your body will stay awake if stress chemicals are still floating around in your body, however. I remember when I couldn't sleep as a teenager, I'd get angry at still being awake - needless to say the anger released stress chemicals and kept me awake yet further!
So in the here and now, try relaxing and accpeting that you aren't asleep. Don't be angry or try to resist. Check out Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle.
There is also a meditative program I came across called the Yoga Nidra, that can replenish the body for approximately 4 hours missed sleep. Might be worth checking out. I never used this one myself, but have had great success with various other hypnotic inductions.
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Searching for anyone in Herts, Beds and Bucks to start a fight club :P
So you lot reckon its not that bad, just worstened by the teen years?
Dreaming of work, and no more school, can't wait!
well day dreaming really...
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Do you actually feel tired and run down due to lack of sleep. If not then the simple answer could be that you don’t need as much sleep as you think. Don’t go to bed until you’re really tired, and have a winding down routine before bed, do something relaxing. If you wake in the night and can't get back to sleep then rather than laying there stressing out read for a while until you feel sleepy again.
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I'm going through some insomnia right now Will. Thats due to giving up smoking though, been off the Golden Virginia for a month now. It's down to the extra oxygen getting to my brain cell!
I have had bouts of insomnia throughout my life. Most things have already been pointed out. Diet. Junk food is full of shite so eat properly. Learn to relax especially before you go to bed. Too much drink will make it worse as you will wake up when you sober up and will be dehydrated. Guitar playing will make your mind very active so not before bed. Well it's like that for me.
The best cure is sex with an incredible woman to be frank!
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Just read some more of your replies. The work around the combine harvester you mentioned is the key to this. It sounds like you need to do some physical work again or exercise if it worked for you before. I used to work on building sites and could sleep so easily then. Forgot medication of any kind to put this problem right mate as I am convinced that it's all bad for you. It just keeps people and businesses busy for profit. When I used to hod bricks up scaffolding I could fall asleep just taking the laces out of my work boots when i got home form work. Now no pill can do that for you without leaving you with some vile side effect. Years ago people just got on with life without pills. The thing about being a man is that nature has designed us to work hard physically and if we don't do it or simulate it with the gym or sport things go wrong with us.
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I seem to be doing ok at the moment really :D After years of having background noise to help go to sleep, silence is great, and I actually felt OK going to school yesterday.
The sex thing isn't really practical at the moment, mother is a 'tard, and won't let any female in my room :? she is rarely out, meaning that isn't going to be a regular feature :(
I think its just unhappiness at school, and I had a lot of essays at the time which was making things worse. School is way too much of sitting down.
Thanks everyone :)
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Regulate your times you want to sleep eg 11pm to 6am and stick to these times where possible, it seems simple but it can really help a lot. take an hour to do nothing before bed and I mean nothing except perhaps reading a book NO TV! Then when you go to bed, turn the lights out and remove all stimulation even music.
I'm an ex insomniac (to the point I was hospitalised for it) and there are many things that can contribute but enforcing your sleeping times and your diet can make the biggest differences.
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Sympathies, man.
I've built myself back up to about four hours a night now, from practically none. No particular method, at all. I generally have a couple of "up all nights" every month though.
I had some weird times at the worst of it, when I'd be absolutely knackered but just couldn't sleep a full night. I used to just peg out randomly every once in a while, that sort of "two-hour-blink" thing.
I remember sitting on my sofa one evening, watching hurling on the Irish Language channel. I dropped off for about three hours. When I regained consciousness, the TV was still on, but it was showing South Park. The five or ten minutes it took me to work out that A: It was in Irish, B: I could understand it perfectly, and C; I hadn't had some kind of Brain Haemorrhage were amongst the most panicked moments of my life.
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Rum
Plenty of Rum plenty of sleep!
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Sleepytime herbal tea!
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Sleepytime herbal tea!
+1 I love that stuff!
So much advise on this thread! I've got a similar issue myself, I usually don't get to bed until around 4am... The Doc says to eat healthy and get a rhythm... Wake up same time every day, go to bed the same time, and he also recommended to excercise in the morning to get the day going. A good routine should do it!
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Yes it is a good drink.
I'm actually suffering from disturbed sleep again. This time from noisy neighbours who thump around until 3:00am. The laminate flooring they have down squeaks and drives me mad! I'm not at work today as I have a dental appointment so I'm going to have words with them to see if I can put an end to it. I thought by moving house nearly 2 years ago I'd left my noisy neighbour problems behind me, now it's all starting again this time with hyperactive manic Croatian Lesbians. Seriously! I know, I know I can see the funny side of it too! :lol:
On the serious side of this problem, I drive a 32 tonne truck for a living. I had around 1 hours sleep one night last week and whilst working the next day I was falling asleep at the wheel and as a result of that drifted through 3 lanes of traffic momentarily. Thank god there were no other vehicles along side me when it happened. Not good, not good at all.
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Well I've sorted out the problems with my neighbours, over a nice cup of tea and a chat. Their really nice girls as it happens. :wink:
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Another good nonprescription sleep aid for occasional use is 25-50mg of good old Benadryl (diphenhydramine). I'm assuming you've already tried melatonin. If all else fails, and if the doctor still won't prescribe sleeping medications, ask him/her to try prescribing a low dose of clonidine. This is an antihypertensive medication that works, basically, by blocking some of the effects of adrenaline in your body. A very small dose (say, 0.1-0.2mg) about 30 minutes before bedtime can sometimes be very helpful to treat severe insomnia. No abuse potential that I have ever seen.
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That sounds good! I was awake at 5 this morning despite going to the pub last night and a skinfull.
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Well I've sorted out the problems with my neighbours, over a nice cup of tea and a chat. Their really nice girls as it happens. :wink:
Guess what, now I've caught them tapping in to my electric! :evil:
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.. hyperactive manic Croatian Lesbians ..
Stand back Johnny... I'll deal with this!! :twisted:
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.. hyperactive manic Croatian Lesbians ..
Stand back Johnny... I'll deal with this!! :twisted:
:lol: :lol: :lol: Dave come on over! You can cure them while I rip up their floor boards to take photos of the spur they have put on my lighting ring. Ok re-phrase :lol: They are taking a feed off of my lighting wiring!
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.. hyperactive manic Croatian Lesbians ..
Stand back Johnny... I'll deal with this!! :twisted:
:lol: :lol: :lol: Dave come on over! You can cure them while I rip up their floor boards to take photos of the spur they have put on my lighting ring. Ok re-phrase :lol: They are taking a feed off of my lighting wiring!
Cool.. so let me get this right..
I'll come on over wearing my spurs, you take some photos while they tamper with your ring.. then we bury them under the floor boards??
I don't know if it's all legal but I'm at a lose end today and it sure sounds different.. so OK!
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.. hyperactive manic Croatian Lesbians ..
Stand back Johnny... I'll deal with this!! :twisted:
:lol: :lol: :lol: Dave come on over! You can cure them while I rip up their floor boards to take photos of the spur they have put on my lighting ring. Ok re-phrase :lol: They are taking a feed off of my lighting wiring!
Cool.. so let me get this right..
I'll come on over wearing my spurs, you take some photos while they tamper with your ring.. then we bury them under the floor boards??
I don't know if it's all legal but I'm at a lose end today and it sure sounds different.. so OK!
PMSL :lol: :lol: That'll do perhaps they'll be able to sort out my farmers while they're there!
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I had around 1 hours sleep one night last week and whilst working the next day I was falling asleep at the wheel and as a result of that drifted through 3 lanes of traffic momentarily.
Woah Jonny... living in close proximity to manic eastern-European lesbians and performing wild traffic stunts... you're a right action hero! :twisted:
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I had around 1 hours sleep one night last week and whilst working the next day I was falling asleep at the wheel and as a result of that drifted through 3 lanes of traffic momentarily.
Woah Jonny... living in close proximity to manic eastern-European lesbians and performing wild traffic stunts... you're a right action hero! :twisted:
Just a normal week for me Sambo! PDT_038
Still waiting for Afghan to turn up and cure the lesbians! :lol:
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Just got in from the pub after watching Spurs beat 8) Chelsea 2-1. I'm reading your post again Afghan and I'm in bloody stitches you nutter! :lol:
Ah I love this place!
:lol:
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Bloody Tottenham. Ruining our chances of the quadruple-trophy season. :evil: :(
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Shhh! Stop being so deluded, your dream is over. No more Jose, no more trophys. Spurs were the business yesterday!
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I really want to disagree with you... but... I can't! :(
I miss Jose big time. And as much as it pains me to say it- you did deserve to win. Although what was the ref on- blowing the whistle as we were about to score!!!? Nutter.
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Just woke up from 2 and a half hours of sleeping. :?
bloody individual study. I now HATE history, its killing me :shock:
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I really want to disagree with you... but... I can't! :(
I miss Jose big time. And as much as it pains me to say it- you did deserve to win. Although what was the ref on- blowing the whistle as we were about to score!!!? Nutter.
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He hit the post anyway. Plus the time was well over the 3 minutes that were added. The free kick Drogba got was from a dive too.
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He hit the post 'cause he had given up on the shot- 'cause the whistle had just gone... distracted him... obviously. :oops: 8)
Fair enough on being over the 3 minutes already, but that was the plank's own fault for letting it go so far- should've let the play finish- only a couple more seconds max.
And if you're calling a dive for our free kick then no way was your pen a hand-ball.
I love pointless, circular footy discussions. :lol: :D
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Look at the slo-mo Sam, he handballed it. :lol:
Anyway The Lesbians have been tapping into the electric, seriously. An electrician has done some fault diagnosis plus you don't really need to be that clued up to work it out. I've made some phone calls to the electricity supplier and they are sure this is the case. Watch this space. I think it's going to get ugly. Not as ugly as people being burnt to death in an electrical fire though, which is my main concern. :shock:
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I haven't been sleeping at all really. Its school related, and i am most certainly gonna start prescription sleep-aids. I can't stand this infernal schedule anymore.
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Had a relapse, but back on the up again. I think my history individual study didn't help. It felt great to go to sleep before 11 O clock, had forgotten what easy sleeping was like
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Get some Kalms from the chemist and some exercise. Your Dr probably won't prescibe you anything at your age.
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Get some Kalms from the chemist and some exercise. Your Dr probably won't prescibe you anything at your age.
Totally agree with that, to the extent that I would even say avoid stuff like Kalms if you can, as it's the cause that needs to be dealt with.
For me any artificially induced sleep was pretty useless, though atleast time passed faster.
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Hmm, artificial sleep did not seem to helpful, and I would still feel shattered, trying to avoid any pills, the Ledger thing kinda worries me, I would rather wake up again.