Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Jonny on January 27, 2008, 06:31:10 PM
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My Indie, amazing as it is. Has an FR. And the 2nd string keeps $%&#ing coming out of the damn saddle! Either the saddle is messed up, or something.
This is like the bazillionth time! ARGH! <insert spam here>
If it's possible I'm gonna swap it for a speedloader. Or get a freakin' TUNE O MATIC GUITAR! FFS!
</small rant over>
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Hardtails are the way to go mate. I've got a Kramer with an OFR, and it used to give me so much hassle. Blocked it up years ago and haven't gone back to trems since.
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It's not even the god damn tremolo or anything, it just snapped when I bent it!
I'm just so pissed off I'm glad I like the guitar or else it'd be in pieces right now. :|
I feel like taking the BKPs out and selling the damn thing.
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I feel your pain. I had two saddles break, the A string saddle was so sharp it sliced through the string once every few hours, and the bar wobbled a few minutes after tightening it up.
I've been looking for a fixed bridge that would drop directly in the place of an FR, but it seems noone makes one. Thought the ones on those Caparison HGS guitars looked promising but they're not the same dimensions.
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Leave trems behind my friend. Stop-tails are clinically proven to lower blood pressure and suicide rates in guitarists. Fact.
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*looks smug* 8)
Me and Philly told you all this day would come!!
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I am detecting quite a bit of whammy-hate on this board. Can I join in?
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Am i the only person who finds floyd rose easier to re-string than a normal stop-tail? :lol:
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Am i the only person who finds floyd rose easier to re-string than a normal stop-tail? :lol:
definately!
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Am i the only person who finds floyd rose easier to re-string than a normal stop-tail? :lol:
no
you commie floyd hating tossers! :P
seriously.. what's with the trem hate? they're the best thing since guitar amps
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Am i the only person who finds floyd rose easier to re-string than a normal stop-tail? :lol:
no
you commie floyd hating tossers! :P
seriously.. what's with the trem hate? they're the best thing since guitar amps
Idd.
I guess some people don't learn to use them, and thus, don't get to see their usefullness and thus dislike them.
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I'm disliking them right now, especially if the string keeps popping out of the saddle and the fact I was pissed off at other stuff at the time.
Indy, doesn't your Ibanez have a speedloader bridge? That would save me TONS of hassle. Hence why I like my Ibanez.
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I'm disliking them right now, especially if the string keeps popping out of the saddle and the fact I was pissed off at other stuff at the time.
Indy, doesn't your Ibanez have a speedloader bridge? That would save me TONS of hassle. Hence why I like my Ibanez.
Where'd you get that idea?
I'm 99% sure that Indy has a ZR in his Nez.
Either way, speed loader strings are damn rare, I think they're considerably more expensive, and they're not D'addario!
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I'm disliking them right now, especially if the string keeps popping out of the saddle and the fact I was pissed off at other stuff at the time.
Indy, doesn't your Ibanez have a speedloader bridge? That would save me TONS of hassle. Hence why I like my Ibanez.
Where'd you get that idea?
I'm 99% sure that Indy has a ZR in his Nez.
Either way, speed loader strings are damn rare, I think they're considerably more expensive, and they're not D'addario!
Oh whoops. Forgot it was an S Series (right?)
Speedloader strings? Isn't that just string with the ball at the end?
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I'm disliking them right now, especially if the string keeps popping out of the saddle and the fact I was pissed off at other stuff at the time.
Indy, doesn't your Ibanez have a speedloader bridge? That would save me TONS of hassle. Hence why I like my Ibanez.
Where'd you get that idea?
I'm 99% sure that Indy has a ZR in his Nez.
Either way, speed loader strings are damn rare, I think they're considerably more expensive, and they're not D'addario!
Oh whoops. Forgot it was an S Series (right?)
Speedloader strings? Isn't that just string with the ball at the end?
Nope.
They're completely different - Made by OFR to fit at tension into the speedloader bridge, the idea is, minimum tuning needed, and minimum setup needed at the bridge side.
Very good system - but means you need Speedloader strings, the speedloader nut and a speedloader bridge - All expensive and hard to find.
Also makes your machineheads completely useless, as you only use the bridge to tune.
ALSO don't know how forgiving it is with different scale lengths, since they only sell 25.5 and 24.75 strings, if you have a baritone you're stuffed.
And I have no idea how good the strings actually are - If its a nifty system with cr@ppy strings that need to be replaced every week - then its by no means at all worth it.
Edit: Just read the Speedloader bridge has a built in tremblock - Sounds superb - Might have to cash in for one actually...
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on the contrary, i can't wait to get a FR guitar. i have two tune o matic guitars and they get hella boring. plus, how can you do crazy harmonic squeals with a hardtail?
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With a pick-hand slide. At least, that's how I do it.
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With a pick-hand slide. At least, that's how I do it.
???
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Why not try some graphtec saddles?
I've been assured that it's incredibly hard to break strings with them on.
Or is that not possible with a FR?
I've never used one.
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Why not try some graphtec saddles?
I've been assured that it's incredibly hard to break strings with them on.
Or is that not possible with a FR?
I've never used one.
wtf?
Compeltely different system!
It's not possible with a stoptail either afaik.
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cheap flyod roses are indeed worse than torture.
i actually think a proper OFR is only slightly more effort than a stop tail - plus they sound 10x better than a cheap one. the difference in tone is very marked.
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Cheap floyds put people off them
An original would turn your head around - yes they are majorly expensive BUT they are well engineered bits of kit and that kind of quality costs!
The Speedloaders are cool bits of kit - once set up - no tuning up required - pop in the string and click the saddle back in place and BANG - you're in tune
They will only fit a couple of scale lengths 25.5" and 24.75"
Strings are made by Dean Markley and are very good
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And the 2nd string keeps #$%!& coming out of the damn saddle! Either the saddle is messed up, or something.
Your problem is one of two things
1) you still have a bit of broken string stuck in the sadlle from a previous break and it is stopping the block from closing properly on the string- so undo it and clean it out properly[/list:u]
2) the block has a groove in it from being too soft/overtightened and the string is slipping out as a result - if so , look at getting a replacement block.[/list:u]
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And the 2nd string keeps #$%!& coming out of the damn saddle! Either the saddle is messed up, or something.
Your problem is one of two things
1) you still have a bit of broken string stuck in the sadlle from a previous break and it is stopping the block from closing properly on the string- so undo it and clean it out properly[/list:u]
2) the block has a groove in it from being too soft/overtightened and the string is slipping out as a result - if so , look at getting a replacement block.[/list:u]
Yup. Number two. I just don't have time to do anything I want to do right now which is annoying.
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I have one guitar that doesnt have a vibrato or floyd. i have a kramer that has an original floyd but the saddles keep snapping cos they are soo old. that is very annoying.
My peavey liscenced FR isnt all that either. Ide like a proper good one that works flawlessly.
Invest in a Nez??
ZR or Edge?
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I have one guitar that doesnt have a vibrato or floyd. i have a kramer that has an original floyd but the saddles keep snapping cos they are soo old. that is very annoying.
My peavey liscenced FR isnt all that either. Ide like a proper good one that works flawlessly.
Invest in a Nez??
ZR or Edge?
Probably a ZR.
Do Originals fit into Licensed ones? I could just change the bridges.
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I have one guitar that doesnt have a vibrato or floyd. i have a kramer that has an original floyd but the saddles keep snapping cos they are soo old. that is very annoying.
My peavey liscenced FR isnt all that either. Ide like a proper good one that works flawlessly.
Invest in a Nez??
ZR or Edge?
Neither. Will probably be as expensive as an OFR, and you'll end up waiting for months if you order it from Nez.
And tbh the Edge is alot worse than an OFR imo, and the ZR isn't that much better - At that point its just preference. I would go with an OFR just to avoid my guitar looking like a spaceship.
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I have one guitar that doesnt have a vibrato or floyd. i have a kramer that has an original floyd but the saddles keep snapping cos they are soo old. that is very annoying.
My peavey liscenced FR isnt all that either. Ide like a proper good one that works flawlessly.
Invest in a Nez??
ZR or Edge?
Neither. Will probably be as expensive as an OFR, and you'll end up waiting for months if you order it from Nez.
And tbh the Edge is alot worse than an OFR imo, and the ZR isn't that much better - At that point its just preference. I would go with an OFR just to avoid my guitar looking like a spaceship.
WITH LAZ0RZ! PEWPEW!!1
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With a pick-hand slide. At least, that's how I do it.
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pull off with your left hand 4 2 0 on the g string, and run your right hand down the strings, makes weird harmonics.
If you are on about the really high bendy ones, then just bend behind the nut, many a technique to counter not having a vibrato
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.. many a technique to counter not having a vibrato
Watch the master of the hard tail - Jake E Lee!!
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.. many a technique to counter not having a vibrato
Watch the master of the hard tail - Jake E Lee!!
Well... what else would I have been hinting at? :P
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Am i the only person who finds floyd rose easier to re-string than a normal stop-tail? :lol:
me too.
my first attempt to restring my eggle resulted in much hilarity, swearing, a rush to find my dan erlewine setup book, and a perfectly good set of strings wasted. :lol:
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With a pick-hand slide. At least, that's how I do it.
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pull off with your left hand 4 2 0 on the g string, and run your right hand down the strings, makes weird harmonics.
If you are on about the really high bendy ones, then just bend behind the nut, many a technique to counter not having a vibrato
i've been listening to dime a lot recently. you can see where my problem lies..
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Drop a Gotoh OFR, or schaller FR in there and you won't have as many problems...
I've had problems like that with the licensed floyds i've had, my schallers and Gotoh are solid.
Zero string snaps etc...
Too many people base thier dislike for FR vibrato's on cheap cr@p one's...
The Gotoh is as good as an OFR Imo/experience smoother feeling too...
The ZR's are fantastic, I plan to get an S 520 EX myself as they are so stable with the zero point system...
My Maverick lfr has been giving me trouble if I don't sell it i'll get a gotoh FR for it...
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As/when I get a locking trem guitars, it's gonna be an Ibanez S with a ZR trem for sure.
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is there really that much of a difference between an LFR and a OFR?
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Doesn't "licensed floyd rose" generally translate as "cheap cr@ppy knock off"?
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is there really that much of a difference between an LFR and a OFR?
Yes. OFRs are the real deal. Think Coca Cola.
LFRs are Licensed Floyd Roses, the company, buys the license to produce them but they aren't the real deal so they are 'plastic-y' (i.e. shite) So they would be your cheapy supermarket cola.
Doesn't "licensed floyd rose" generally translate as "cheap cr@ppy knock off"?
Pretty much. As I've come to discover- the hard way. OFRs are roughly £100 too.
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is there really that much of a difference between an LFR and a OFR?
Yes. OFRs are the real deal. Think Coca Cola.
LFRs are Licensed Floyd Roses, the company, buys the license to produce them but they aren't the real deal so they are 'plastic-y' (i.e. shitee) So they would be your cheapy supermarket cola.
Doesn't "licensed floyd rose" generally translate as "cheap cr@ppy knock off"?
Pretty much. As I've come to discover- the hard way. OFRs are roughly £100 too.
Where the hell do you get £100 OFRs?
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is there really that much of a difference between an LFR and a OFR?
Yes. OFRs are the real deal. Think Coca Cola.
LFRs are Licensed Floyd Roses, the company, buys the license to produce them but they aren't the real deal so they are 'plastic-y' (i.e. shitee) So they would be your cheapy supermarket cola.
Doesn't "licensed floyd rose" generally translate as "cheap cr@ppy knock off"?
Pretty much. As I've come to discover- the hard way. OFRs are roughly £100 too.
Where the hell do you get £100 OFRs?
Well, I don't. I know someone who got one for it. I suppose he got ripped off from your response, lol
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is there really that much of a difference between an LFR and a OFR?
Yes. OFRs are the real deal. Think Coca Cola.
LFRs are Licensed Floyd Roses, the company, buys the license to produce them but they aren't the real deal so they are 'plastic-y' (i.e. shitee) So they would be your cheapy supermarket cola.
Doesn't "licensed floyd rose" generally translate as "cheap cr@ppy knock off"?
Pretty much. As I've come to discover- the hard way. OFRs are roughly £100 too.
Where the hell do you get £100 OFRs?
Well, I don't. I know someone who got one for it. I suppose he got ripped off from your response, lol
Ripped off?
Hell no - That's a bargain!!!
Cheapest I've ever seen is £150.
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They seem to be pretty cheap in the US.
http://www.warmoth.com/hardware/bridges/bridges.cfm?fuseaction=bridges_floyd_original
£85
Which is strange, since I'm sure they are made in Germany by Schaller.
not all LFRs are dreadful- The more expensive ones are supposed to be good eg. Gotoh, and I've played schaller floyds which were nice.
Not as nice as a T-O-M though :P
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so LFR's aren't made by a specific company, they can be made by different companies?
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so LFR's aren't made by a specific company, they can be made by different companies?
Yeah. It's a license people buy to be able to make them. Obviously not the specific FR. Hence why it's a 'Licensed Under Floyd Rose Patents' bridge.
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so LFR's aren't made by a specific company, they can be made by different companies?
Yeah. It's a license people buy to be able to make them. Obviously not the specific FR. Hence why it's a 'Licensed Under Floyd Rose Patents' bridge.
so wouldn't saying "LFR's are cr@p" be a generalization? i would think some might be terrible, which is why people hate them, and then others are great?
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so LFR's aren't made by a specific company, they can be made by different companies?
Yeah. It's a license people buy to be able to make them. Obviously not the specific FR. Hence why it's a 'Licensed Under Floyd Rose Patents' bridge.
so wouldn't saying "LFR's are cr@p" be a generalization? i would think some might be terrible, which is why people hate them, and then others are great?
When people talk of LFRs, they normally talk of cr@p FRs.
The good FRs are recognisable by name - And thus, you don't call them LFRs, such as the Edge trems, the ZR Trems, and the Vigier trems with the Ball Bearings which are superb.
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so LFR's aren't made by a specific company, they can be made by different companies?
Yeah. It's a license people buy to be able to make them. Obviously not the specific FR. Hence why it's a 'Licensed Under Floyd Rose Patents' bridge.
so wouldn't saying "LFR's are cr@p" be a generalization? i would think some might be terrible, which is why people hate them, and then others are great?
When people talk of LFRs, they normally talk of cr@p FRs.
The good FRs are recognisable by name - And thus, you don't call them LFRs, such as the Edge trems, the ZR Trems, and the Vigier trems with the Ball Bearings which are superb.
those are all licensed floyds? i see... so it basically is true that, if its called an LFR, its gonna be cr@p.