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At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: opprobrium_9 on February 01, 2008, 05:08:46 AM
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I know the population of this forum is chiefly british but has anybody been watching/paying attention to the campaigns? If so, who do you think is the best candidate?
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For the heart: Obama
For the head: Clinton
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I haven't been following closely enough to claim a truly informed opinion, but from what I've read and seen Clinton, Obama or even McCain are bound to be a vast improvement on Bush.
I like the simple fact that America may be on the verge of electing its first black President or its first woman President. History in the making.
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all the while completely ignoring silly things like policy.
it's a multi-multi-multi million dollar poularity contest, like american idol except it affects the lives (in an actual live or die way) of hundreds of millions of people all around the world.
it can also be hard work trying to detect any actual democracy. they do say people get the leaders they deserve, looks like there aren't many countries deserving of good ones. hmmm, i'm told the guy on the Isle Of Man (is it the Alderman?) is quite good...
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all the while completely ignoring silly things like policy.
it's a multi-multi-multi million dollar poularity contest, like american idol except it affects the lives (in an actual live or die way) of hundreds of millions of people all around the world.
True, but is there likely to be any significant difference in policy? We've reached the point where it's no longer possible to distinguish between the main parties in the UK, and my impression is that it's always been that way in the US.
The difference is that in the US you have to have more money than Roman Abramovich to start a campaign in the first place. And you can still destroy an opponent's campaign by picking apart their Vietnam record, branding them a "liberal" (gosh, how awful!) or suggesting they're a less-than-100%-committed Bible-thumper. And again Britain seems to be drifting in the same direction... :roll:
The best we can hope is that the next President isn't a simpleton who thinks he gets instructions from God. And looking at the likely winners from this bunch of candidates, I don't think any of them are.
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yeah that's all true, and as you say, we aren't too far behind!
the lack of real democracy comes from the fact that you have to be super rich to run. it's basically a feudal society except people get to choose which out of touch lunatic sits at the top table for the next four years!
it's also pretty ironic that Arnold Schwarzenegger has really quite left wing (for America) policies, yet he's on the Bush side, giving his support to John McCain. (i'm sorry, i can never remember which ones are republicans and which are democrats). only another term to go and Arnie might make a run himself!! :P
course here in Northern Ireland we get tribal politics, where policies are completely irrelevant, people just vote for their side, and nothing can get get done because one petty, moronic group will always vote against the other petty, moronic group, even if they agree on the policy!!
and relax....
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only another term to go and Arnie might make a run himself!! :P
I believe he's ineligible because he wasn't born a US citizen. Otherwise I'm sure he'd have run by now! :lol:
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Like Philly Q said, the US might be choosing either a woman or a black man for predident. That could be a turning point in history.
Now I only hope the average US voter chooses with common sense. But I'm afraid common sense isn't that common.
Funny story: Hillary chose 'When The Lady Smiles' by the Golden Earring as her campaign tune. She got alot of flack for that because, in the video, the singer kisses a nun. Only in America can bible thumping rednecks go berserk over something futile like that.
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only another term to go and Arnie might make a run himself!! :P
I believe he's ineligible because he wasn't born a US citizen. Otherwise I'm sure he'd have run by now! :lol:
i'm pretty sure that's right, but i remember talk of new legislation allowing you to run if you've been a citizen for a certain length of time.
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Funny story: Hillary chose 'When The Lady Smiles' by the Golden Earring as her campaign tune. She got alot of flack for that because, in the video, the singer kisses a nun. Only in America can bible thumping rednecks go berserk over something futile like that.
America may be the home of the modern religious nut, but there have been plenty of similar cases over this end of the paddling pool.
there was the huge furore over the british television showing of Jerry Springer: the musical, all to do with blasphemy. Thousands of people who'd never seen it, and in fact didn't even know what was in it, lodged complaints and held protests. various politically correct rants and ravings about possible offence that may or may not have been taken by ethnic minorities who hadn't taken any notice until the politically correct brigade told them they should be offended! and that film maker Van Gogh was murdered in Holland by a Muslim fanatic, which is more extreme but another example of how religious extremism is encroaching on our lives. we daren't criticise anyone for fear of being labelled a bigot.
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Here's who has my vote:
http://www.zod2008.com/
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only another term to go and Arnie might make a run himself!! :P
I believe he's ineligible because he wasn't born a US citizen. Otherwise I'm sure he'd have run by now! :lol:
Chuck Norris it is then :D
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Here's who has my vote:
http://www.zod2008.com/
Brilliant!
But actually - About Arnie....
I've been extremely impressed by his work - He's doing alot better than my MP anyway...
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For the heart: Obama
For the head: Clinton
I didn't realise it was BILL Clinton running :twisted:
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For the heart: Obama
For the head: Clinton
I didn't realise it was BILL Clinton running :twisted:
Ahahahaha xD
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Lol, I should be knowledgable about this, studying US politics for yr13 politics class. But I have little relevant information off of the top of my head :P
A controversial part was a speech by Clinton I believe, in which she compared herself to Johnson (I think) and Obama to M L King, Johnson was a do-er, King was a dreamer. apparently it lost her a lot of votes :P
also many go to Clintons speeches just cos' Billy will be there lol
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For the heart: Obama
For the head: Clinton
I didn't realise it was BILL Clinton running :twisted:
LOL
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sadly, my coverage of the US elections has been derived almost entirely from the onion.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/72457
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/68210
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/72752
:lol: :lol: :lol:
but from what I can pick up from hasty glances at morning papers, I was going with Obama, but if we are headed for recession, I'd rather have who I think is most intelligent; and that's Hillary.
As far as the republicans go, having a mormon or a creationist as the most powerful man in the free world cannot be a good thing.
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Bill Clinton ruined a dress.
George Bush ruined a country.
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Bill Clinton ruined a dress.
George Bush ruined a country.
+1
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George Bush ruined a country.
he ruined a few actually
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George Bush ruined a country.
he ruined a few actually
Ruining is probably more accurate. :evil:
:lol: at Feline! :lol:
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Let's be positive shall we.
Bill Clinton enhanced a dress IMO.
Bush enhanced a few oily pockets.
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Frankly, who cares who gets in. Nobody has any way of knowing which candidate has the best policies, because they dont even discuss them. Blue is right on the money about the whole thing being a popularity contest, and whenever you hear any of them (clinton, obama, mccain) talk, its not policy, its just words like 'freedom' and 'change' minced into sentences about how great America is.
besides, the only way is up, lets just be happy that US presidents can only run for 2 terms :)
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Frankly, who cares who gets in. Nobody has any way of knowing which candidate has the best policies, because they dont even discuss them. Blue is right on the money about the whole thing being a popularity contest, and whenever you hear any of them (clinton, obama, mccain) talk, its not policy, its just words like 'freedom' and 'change' minced into sentences about how great America is.
besides, the only way is up, lets just be happy that US presidents can only run for 2 terms :)
Sad but true.
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I've heard/seen speeches from everyone of these candidates and they all seem to possess a very annoying trait that politicians (especially the American ones have) and that is that they talk a lot without really saying ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!
I saw McCain the other day and thought to myself that "this guy couldn't get elected here....no way", he wouldn't even make it as the candidate for his party.....
Its a sad state of affairs ......
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Billary IS the antichrist :evil:
It was proven that the Clintons trashed and stole from the Whitehouse! And when put before congress would not even apologise! Would YOU put a proven thief in power?
Yes, ya right, I abhore Billary!
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In all honesty I can tell you that the last thing this election will be is a popularity contest. America is actually quite fed up with the Bush administration (in case you haven't checked out his approval ratings). For once we have choices. Since the Bush family took over the world they have ruined the reputation of the U.S., managed to single handedly slow down a booming economy, and invade what seems to be every oil rich third world country.
John McCain is a credible and honorable war veteran but god forbid he become president. If he does we may never see an end to the worthless Iraq war. American's are sick of watching their sons and daughters die for the Bush administration and because of that I think McCain will have a difficult time getting elected.
Hillary Clinton would be a good leader but I think the Bill Clinton card plays against her.
Obama is exactly what America needs. For once we might actually elect an individual who is in touch with working class America. He's young, energetic, smart, and he inspires people with his speeches. If anyone has the ability to turn things around, it would be him.
Well, that was my two cents. :D
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Has Obama any policies behind his 'change' message? If so when will he tell people about them. I can't believe that anyone really thinks that anything in Washington will change regardless of who is President. There are too many fat cats with a lot of control who will put their own self interests first.
Before I vote for someone, I would like to know what they are going to change and what exactly they propose changing it to. Being young, energetic and smart doesn't help when you have the weight of Congress and the Senate pushing back. It looks like whoever gets in will have a pretty even split in the houses, so it will be even harder to make changes.
Of course everyone should cheer whoever gets in, because George Bush will be out, but no one will be able to withdraw the troops from Iraq for a long time. America went in there and screwed everything up, and unfortunately if they withdraw and leave the mess it is at the moment, the US reputation will suffer even more than it is at present. Look at Afghanistan - there is no sign of getting out of there and there is full NATO and UN backing to supply additional forces.
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Funny story: Hillary chose 'When The Lady Smiles' by the Golden Earring as her campaign tune. She got alot of flack for that because, in the video, the singer kisses a nun. Only in America can bible thumping rednecks go berserk over something futile like that.
French politic system has loads of other flaws and i'll never say it's better than another, but that's exactly because of stuffs like that that i'm happy to live in fvckin' LAIQUE, religious-free country.
It's just common sense: politic and religion don't or shouldn't mix (there's a french funny expression that sits well here: "or it's an opened door to every window" :lol:)
Yet only 2 country in the world have separated Church and State!!.... But then again, i often hear France being called, the Last Communist Country... :lol: