Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Davey on August 23, 2005, 02:42:39 PM
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i'm going to build me one
i'll post more about it when i get to it, but i'd like to know a couple of things
(not about the building itself, cos i already got all the help i need)
but, which 2x12 cabs do you prefer (and why)
please no discussion about why a 4x12 is better etc etc, i'd like to know about people and 2x12, guys. especially from the not so metal crowd and the metal crowd that cant afford, or doesnt play venues where they could use 4x12's
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anyway. we're talking 2 designs here.
#1 standing cab (one speaker above the other) with the top speaker slant
#2 laying cab speakers next to eachother.
when you put #1 and #2 next to eachother, #1 is 2" taller than #2, at the bottom it's about 3" deeper (and of course not as deep at the top) #2 is for 2" wider. both are closed backs, made of solid wood (how thick, i dont know yet, but about 5/8 to app. 7/8)
speaker choices are V30's and greenback 25's for now, but that dont matter since both speakers are available for the 2 designs and i'd like y'all to focus on that.
so, discuss. #1 or #2. and please tell me why. also, if you'd make any smaller changes to it, dont hesitate to tell
(pictures of drawings will follow)
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personally, i like the idea of the vertical layout.
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Horizontal, with a angled baffle is how I hade my custom 2x12 made, disperses the sound better.
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a few of the high power combos use the 2x12 'side by side' setup, its like a 4x12 but only half as high...
i've played through a jcm 800 like that and it had a great sound, and also the stereo line6 spider 2x12 sound great with the side by side setup (espcially on the stereo effects!!).
Never played through the vertical setup though!
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Side by side gets my vote. I think it just works better- cant explain why though which, I suspect, is what you need to know.
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a few of the high power combos use the 2x12 'side by side' setup, its like a 4x12 but only half as high...
i've played through a jcm 800 like that and it had a great sound, and also the stereo line6 spider 2x12 sound great with the side by side setup (espcially on the stereo effects!!).
Never played through the vertical setup though!
those are combo amps. for them it's usual to be done like that since it would be a bit hard for them to fit everything into the 'narrow' space above the top speaker, which in this case is 16" vs 28" for the horizontal cab
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so, here are some (very) rough pics/sketches of the design's i'm thinking about
do coment on em (mainly about the size)
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I absolutely love my 1976 Fender Bandmaster cab with 2X12 Jensens.
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point i was making is..... they are side by side and sound great 8)
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I go for the side by side but with a small tweak. Make the cab about 22" high and 28" wide and mount the speaker chassis along the diagonal axis. A Vintage 30 and a G12-75T or a G12 will give you a killer tonal range. This combination is a BIG favourite with some custom cab builders in the US and I can say from first hand experience that it really works.
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How wide is your amp? IMHO nothing looks more naff than an amp hanging off each side of the speaker cab PDT_036
I like the Marshall 2x12 layout (where the cab is about 22" wide), with the angled top. The angle lets you hear yourself a bit more (of course you can always use a stand or legs like Fender have). I also think 2 different speakers is good for a more rich sound.
I guess I am in the minority with the layout though. Another option is to make 2 1x12, this lets you put them anyway you like. My 10" cabs are like this and have hinged flaps on the back to allow you to use them as open or closed back. They also have butterfly catches to lock them closed and also to lock them into a single (horizontal!) cab for moving or putting on a chair.
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How wide is your amp? IMHO nothing looks more naff than an amp hanging off each side of the speaker cab
i dont know yet ROFL
when i got the measurements and get in touch with a coworker to discuss options and sound and all that, i'll be puting up some more designs
(you're onto somehting there bob.. i might make that for the horihontal one, but apart of making the vertical one taller and wider i wont be changing anyhting else)
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I vote for vertical cab. Mainly for flexibility and transport. If you need only one cab, you just take it and you don't have the tone in your shoes. If you play far from your cab, it could be irrelevant, though.
Personaly I use two vertical cabs. No complaint here.
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I vote for vertical cab. Mainly for flexibility and transport. If you need only one cab, you just take it and you don't have the tone in your shoes.
that's why i'm mainly opting for it.
while playing at home, you got the sound in your face whether you're siting or standing. when playing small venues where space is limited and you can barely fit yourself on the 'stage' a 4x12 will take all of the space and a 2x12 horizontal will get clumsy too. you basicaly dont need a monitor since it's right behid you and blowin wind in the direction of your head anyway
i havent played many, but i think that a vertical cab has better functionality than a horizontal one (just IMO of course)
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Hey, we could have a radical design here. How about making the height and width the same (equal to or greater than the width of the head) mount the speakers along one diagonal and add a baffle along the other diagonal to really stiffen the front panel and separate the backwash from the cones. That would include almost every suggestion to date. QED
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I made both my 2/12 cabs out of pine.Installed with 1 vintage 30 and 1 G12h it really is a warm sounding cabs.The dimensions are the same size as the Fender tonemaster cabs,quite big and heavy but worth it i think.
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what was the thickness of the wood you used?
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Hey, we could have a radical design here. How about making the height and width the same (equal to or greater than the width of the head) mount the speakers along one diagonal and add a baffle along the other diagonal to really stiffen the front panel and separate the backwash from the cones. That would include almost every suggestion to date. QED
thats what I thought as soon as I read the first post I think...but less technical as I dont know the first thing about cabs/speakers/etc :lol: I guess hes saying something like mount them diagonally in the cab though? So its like a 4x12 but with only two in? Then you have the portability problem though :?
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a 4x12 cab with only 2 speakers in...would that look something like this:
(http://www.sheldonamps.com/truetone/images/red.jpg)
It's a Sheldon True Tone cab.
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yea.. i'd like to keep them fairly small (without sacrificing any tone cos of it being too small)
like said, the numbers i was just toying with to see how the vertical one could get put together and they will very likely change.
i'm looking to selling a couple (at least 1 =P) and that they would appeal to the young-er crowd of players and people who cant afford bigger cabs (or cabs made by mesa peavey etc etc) with quality speakers
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a 4x12 cab with only 2 speakers in...would that look something like this:
(http://www.sheldonamps.com/truetone/images/red.jpg)
It's a Sheldon True Tone cab.
yea, seen that on some boutique amps before.
i'll probably redo the horizontal one to be a bit taller and fit them like that, but the vertical will pretty much stay unchanged
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what was the thickness of the wood you used?
About an inch thick. i had the speakers previously in a ply cab which sounded ok,then me and my dad decided to make a pine cab.The sound is much richer and more natural.
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I think speakers side by side, but prehaps if you're going for a head and 2X12 shindig stick it on some kind of stand, I know that whenever I can I make sure I got some speakers at waist height so I can do Townsendy things with the feedback more easily. Better projection too, and without casters it's still well coupled to the stage accousticly.
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I think speakers side by side, but prehaps if you're going for a head and 2X12 shindig stick it on some kind of stand, I know that whenever I can I make sure I got some speakers at waist height so I can do Townsendy things with the feedback more easily. Better projection too, and without casters it's still well coupled to the stage accousticly.
ok, i get your posts, thx for the input but what is that word in bold?? by my best will i dont understand it :(
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shindig = a big event or show. Kinda like the phrase 'going whole hog' ... ie, 'he's going with the whole shindig'. :)
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thankee sai
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Yeah, like "the whole buisiness" or "happening", sorry for the confusion.
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If you don't like the 2x12 vertical cab, you can change the look a bit:
(http://cedric.bertin.9online.fr/image/Amplis/Marshall212%20001.jpg)
(previously an ENGL cab)
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IMHO, the Sheldon cab shown is actually a lot smaller than a 4x12, you've only got to look at the way the speaker apertures overlap the centre lines to see that. In fact, although I haven't actually done the sums, my guess is that volumetrically it's probably one of the most compact 2x12 layouts you could get. Anyone know the actual sizes?
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I use a Marshall 1936 2x12, I like the side by side speakers because of the spread and a nice bottom end. I have another that I stack just so I can hear myself better, not much chance of using them sided by side as there aren't many stages wide enough in the pubs we play.
I opted for 2x12's as I live in a small flat and these are much easier to lug around and store.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/atwills/rigstack.jpg)
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The sheldon cab is very similar to a Matamp 2x12, there about 24" square accross the front.
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the vertical is on the drawing board, the horizontal one just a rough drawing for now.
i'll be scaning them once it's done to see what you guys think
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Doh! I just posted a similar post in another thread ;)
Davey,
if you get a chance check out the Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 cab. I tried one our today. It's ported and has a flexible baffle...OMG! It's an absolute monster of a cab. It sounds more like a 4x12 then a 2x12 because it kicks out so much low end (through the 4 ports at the bottom of the cab). It is also pretty tight and focused which makes it a pleasure to play. There was a Marshall rep in the store when I was noodling and he was really impressed with the cab also...
I'm gonna go for one at some stage (being a George Lynch fan helped that decision btw!!! :lol: )
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ports at the bottom? hmm
might be worth investigating..
i'd like to offer a bit more than just a standard 2x12 cab.. please do post more ideas/thoughts
and jay, part of the reason why i want to make at least a couple is.. there arent any (apart of cheap built shitety beringer ones here .. which are overpriced like hell) available here at all
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I use a Marshall 1936 2x12, I like the side by side speakers because of the spread and a nice bottom end. I have another that I stack just so I can hear myself better, not much chance of using them sided by side as there aren't many stages wide enough in the pubs we play.
I opted for 2x12's as I live in a small flat and these are much easier to lug around and store.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/atwills/rigstack.jpg)
you have so much nice gear, I want that PRS singlecut!
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you have so much nice gear, I want that PRS singlecut!
I might be selling it if my new Les Paul Custom with Cold Sweats blows it away :wink:
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keep it man, i thought singlecuts were going to become real collector's items after the Gibson lawsuit?
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^ shh dont tell him that :P I probably wouldnt be able to afford it anyway, I'm guessing it isnt an SE model :roll:
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^ shh dont tell him that :P I probably wouldnt be able to afford it anyway, I'm guessing it isnt an SE model :roll:
sorry sorry...
yes (cough, cough) i do believe that PRS singlecuts are worth nothing anymore, nobody likes them and the reason that PRS discontinued them is simply because they suck. big time. :wink: :D
anyway, sorry about taking it off topic there...