Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Woogie on March 04, 2008, 09:26:28 PM
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Which ESP Viper is the Down guitarist 'Pepper' using? The red one that looks like it has had the neck pickup removed.
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It's a custom i think.
Love Vipers, a shame about the Agathis on the cheaper ones.
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It's a custom i think.
Love Vipers, a shame about the Agathis on the cheaper ones.
AGATHIS SHOULD BURN IN HELLL!!!!!!!!!
Come on ESP, at least Alder or Mahoghany.. please..
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Only the cheapest of the LTD mdoels have agathis.
Everything about 400 has Mahogany I think.
But yes - ESP Viper. Amazing guitar.
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Only the cheapest of the LTD mdoels have agathis.
Everything about 400 has Mahogany I think.
But yes - ESP Viper. Amazing guitar.
What model exactly is yours?
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Only the cheapest of the LTD mdoels have agathis.
Everything about 400 has Mahogany I think.
But yes - ESP Viper. Amazing guitar.
What model exactly is yours?
ESP Viper Standard Camo. I think its a 2004/5 model, but not certain.
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it annoys me how the ltd 50 & 100 series are basswood
then the next one up the 200 is agathis.
then 300+ is mahogany
shouldnt the bottom ones be the worse wood rather than the mid out of the lower end ones?
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what a bunch of wood snobs :wink:
I am glad they are not using as much mahogany... now if only i can convince gibson as well there might be more for me :twisted:
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Wood snobbery is a real issue with guitarists. Agathis must be much more expensive than Basswood, as it's rarer and more useful. Is it necessarily a worse tonewood than Mahogany, or is it just that no-one's heard a decent Agathis guitar because no manufacturer would dare to use anything other than mahogany on a decent guitar?
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I used an ESP M-200FM that was made of agathis and I did not like it. Even though the guitar was neck thru, the sustain was terrible! The wood had no vibrance at all! I mean, a 150 dollar Yamaha I started on has more sustain than that guitar! But, because of the pups, it sounded good for rhythm, but has terrible lead tone. Shrill, non sustaining, and just weak. I don't like passive EMG's, and combine those pups with the agathis and you get ass for tone.
Bottom line- if you don't want sustain, go with agathis.
From a little bit of searching on Google.
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again, thats from 1 piece of agathis, 1 person experince of 1 guitar... i am sure there are some out there that sound good. .. even plywood surprises you occasionally
Its not a wood i am interested in using but if you try an agathis guitar and it sounds good dont let the wood type put you off
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again, thats from 1 piece of agathis, 1 person experince of 1 guitar... i am sure there are some out there that sound good. .. even plywood surprises you occasionally
Its not a wood i am interested in using but if you try an agathis guitar and it sounds good dont let the wood type put you off
Yeah, but wouldn't it be better being in your saftey zone when you can't try the guitar out?
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There are plenty of sucky guitars made from mahogany, ash, alder etc. It's the problem with wood, it's not consistent. Not to mention that the mahogany used today is a whole different species to that used on 59 Lesters.
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again, thats from 1 piece of agathis, 1 person experince of 1 guitar... i am sure there are some out there that sound good. .. even plywood surprises you occasionally
Its not a wood i am interested in using but if you try an agathis guitar and it sounds good dont let the wood type put you off
I had an Agathis viper and it's exactly as he it was described, no sustain at all!
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it annoys me how the ltd 50 & 100 series are basswood
then the next one up the 200 is agathis.
then 300+ is mahogany
shouldnt the bottom ones be the worse wood rather than the mid out of the lower end ones?
I thought all of the lower ESP's were agathis... glad to find out im wrong.
Heck the Viper-100FM has a flame maple top with basswood, looks real nice... i want a viper again!
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it annoys me how the ltd 50 & 100 series are basswood
then the next one up the 200 is agathis.
then 300+ is mahogany
shouldnt the bottom ones be the worse wood rather than the mid out of the lower end ones?
I thought all of the lower ESP's were agathis... glad to find out im wrong.
Heck the Viper-100FM has a flame maple top with basswood, looks real nice... i want a viper again!
I think only 1 or 2 models of each shape are Agathis - Of about 20...
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I think only 1 or 2 models of each shape are Agathis - Of about 20...
Yeah it is, suprising really...
Any chance you've tried the Viper 50 or 100FM? theres no where near me that has ESP's as far as i know, i really miss the viper i had, even if it was in ghastly silver. I wants a black one.
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Nicely derailed.
I`m gassin' for a viper but I`m gassin' for an SG junior in white more ;)
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I told you it was custom :P
infact here it is, his signature model.
http://www.espguitars.com/guitars_matt.html
The only thing it has in common with the other vipers is the shape.
Different wood, scale length and just about everything else.
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I thought we were on about Pepper Keenan?
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Oops, i just had in my head 'Single humbucker' and 'Viper shaped' and 'Down guitarist' lol!
My bad, still...!
Maybe it is a viper that had it's neck pickup ripped out?
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They're actually pre-viper. Keenan told ESP he wanted a metal SG and they developed what would become the Viper for him.
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it annoys me how the ltd 50 & 100 series are basswood
then the next one up the 200 is agathis.
then 300+ is mahogany
shouldnt the bottom ones be the worse wood rather than the mid out of the lower end ones?
I thought all of the lower ESP's were agathis... glad to find out im wrong.
Heck the Viper-100FM has a flame maple top with basswood, looks real nice... i want a viper again!
Its only the 200 series such as the m200fm and viper 200fm and the old 260 series everything else is basswood or mahogany
I think only 1 or 2 models of each shape are Agathis - Of about 20...
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theres a Hello Kitty strat + VH2 clip on youtube. The Hello Kitty body is agathis, and the clip sounds pretty fine to me!