Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Dave_the_rave on March 09, 2008, 12:58:31 PM
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im gonna be getting a laney gh50l, and playing with a jackson rr24 (for metal ofc), and ive heard some people say that with the gh50l its worth getting some sort of boost pedal, like getting a tube screamer or something like that. any thoughts chums?
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Modded SD-1, awesome sound!
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im gonna be getting a laney gh50l, and playing with a jackson rr24 (for metal ofc), and ive heard some people say that with the gh50l its worth getting some sort of boost pedal, like getting a tube screamer or something like that. any thoughts chums?
I heartily recommend an MI Audio Blue Bloy Deluxe as an Overdrive/boost pedal. I haven't found an amp it doesn't work really well with. They aren't the cheapest, yet not overly expensive either.
M & M Music in St.Mary's street stock them if you want to "try before you buy".
Alan
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might just have to do that as its on 2 mins walk from me :P thing is, another point to this is with the laney is it definately a necessity? ofc if it is what should i go for being the obvious question :P
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Bad Monkey by Digitech is meant to be a really good boost, and its only about £30 I think. I even like my Behringer tubescreamer copy which was like £10-15 :lol:
btw this is the amp with no boost and mules going into it, just to show you the tightness with a guitar straight in http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=493678&songID=4951909
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might just have to do that as its on 2 mins walk from me :P thing is, another point to this is with the laney is it definately a necessity? ofc if it is what should i go for being the obvious question :P
It has plenty of gain on it's own, but if you want modern metal, using a TS-type pedal to tighten it up works wonders.
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is that where you set the drive to 0?
which is good for the metal tightening up purpose?
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im a bit fan of the standard ibanez ts-9
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It has plenty of gain on it's own, but if you want modern metal, using a TS-type pedal to tighten it up works wonders.
thats my point - what would be a good idea? i play mostly 80's 90's style heavy metal but occasionally do dabble in the odd bit of children of bodom etc, so would a tubescreamer be the way to go or would something else be more suitable?
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i've never played with one, but i heard the maxon od808 was the one for tightening up high gain. dunno if thats true?
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is that where you set the drive to 0?
which is good for the metal tightening up purpose?
Pretty much, yes, but the effect will still happen regardless of the amount of drive you have on the pedal.
OD pedals have a bass filter that cuts frequencies below a certain point, leaving you with a far tighter sound. Tubescreamers are often used as their mid hump adds extra cut and grind to the sound, which can result in much chuggier palm mutes and can help you punch through a band mix a little better.
A regular poster on the SevenString forums mods and builds pedals. He makes pedals with the metal player in mind, and from all reports his pedals sound brilliant. As soon as I pay off my Blackmachine, I'll be getting myself one of his "Bloody Murder" overdrives (don't worry, you can have it named and painted whatever you'd like!), which is essentially a TS clone, built up from scratch with lowest tolerance parts, designed specifically for metal players.
His stuff is very well priced, especially taking into account the exchange rate at the moment. (shipping to the UK is $10 btw)
His website can be found here: Bodenhamer Electronics (http://www.bodenhamer-electronics.com)
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i've never played with one, but i heard the maxon od808 was the one for tightening up high gain. dunno if thats true?
That's what Killswitch Engage uses (or at least did on End of Heartache), so there's probably some truth to that :)
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All tubescreamers and associated clones do this - if true bypass is wot you want then go Maxon - but if you want fun AND cash just get the cheaper ones i.e. a Behringer Vintage Tube Overdrive (the Green one), a Ibanez TS7 or a Bad Monkey. I have vintage TS808 that I bought 2nd hand in 1984 and the TS7 can capture that sound. The Monkey too, although it doesn't quite have the output of the TS808 or the TS7. For max output go for the HBE Powerscreamer - its all the above and more.
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And i think As I Lay Dying use the Maxon as well. I have the Bad Monkey and a Boss SD-1 which i modded with a kit from Monte Allums (GT mod). If you want a heavy and tight sound go with the Bad Monkey. The SD-1 before modding sounded too middy while after the mod - though it didn't sound middy - it sounded thin compared to the BM. I tigthened the sound but the bad monkey is the clear winner in all three amps (engl powerball, lee jackson xls-1000, marshall 6100LM) that i tried it with. Plus its cheaper. i would like to try the maxon as well
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hmm sounds like the ts's or the bad monkey are probably the best sort of options for a boost to my shreddy metal solos then huh?
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More for rhythm really mate. I used to have a TS9 on for rhythm, then turn it off for solos!
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hah! whats the reasoning behind that one?
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I only used it as a tone-shaping tool really. It tightened up the bass so that the riffing sounds really precise, then turned it off for leads, when I wanted a less focussed tone.
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ah very interesting, kinda the inverse of what other people do with them - ive generally read people use them to boost mids etc for solos
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Sure mate, that's the classic way they're used. I just use my ears and go with whatever sounds best to me.
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is that where you set the drive to 0?
which is good for the metal tightening up purpose?
Pretty much, yes, but the effect will still happen regardless of the amount of drive you have on the pedal.
OD pedals have a bass filter that cuts frequencies below a certain point, leaving you with a far tighter sound. Tubescreamers are often used as their mid hump adds extra cut and grind to the sound, which can result in much chuggier palm mutes and can help you punch through a band mix a little better.
A regular poster on the SevenString forums mods and builds pedals. He makes pedals with the metal player in mind, and from all reports his pedals sound brilliant. As soon as I pay off my Blackmachine, I'll be getting myself one of his "Bloody Murder" overdrives (don't worry, you can have it named and painted whatever you'd like!), which is essentially a TS clone, built up from scratch with lowest tolerance parts, designed specifically for metal players.
His stuff is very well priced, especially taking into account the exchange rate at the moment. (shipping to the UK is $10 btw)
His website can be found here: Bodenhamer Electronics (http://www.bodenhamer-electronics)
I highly recommend the Bloody Murder, I have one and it seriously kicks ass. It's cheap too, 100$ for a modded TS808 clone with true bypass and low tolerance part! It made my somewhat vintagey sounding amp a metal monster :lol:
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heh - would have had a look but the site was down, will try again later
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Sorry bud I gave you a dud link. I've fixed it now, but you may as well use this one: Bodenhamer Electronics (http://www.bodenhamer-electronics.com)
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I use a BYOC Screamer TS808 clone and I like it a lot. You get all the parts necessary to build it to whatever spec you want. I used to use a Zoom Power Drive pedal and that's a good pedal too very neutral sounding.
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see until i get my new laney ive got a marshall avt150 combo, nad i use a line6 ubermetal pedal through it to get an ok sound. different sort of theory but interesting none the less to some of you, even if its just for abuse :P
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For what its worth, I have tried several pedals for the purpose that you have described (Tubescreamer, Marshall Shredmaster, T-Rex Moller, etc) and have found the best od/distortion is the Xotic BB. It provides up to 30db of boost, and to my ears the most natural and transparent distortion. It also has a very powerful two band eq so that you can dial in whatever tonality you want, but retains the sound of your guitar/amp. check out youtube for some great clips.