Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Jonny on March 12, 2008, 05:54:30 PM
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I was browsing through my potential next guitar (or guitars if I end up getting all of them through time)
And I came down to this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/GrimReapo/table-1.jpg)
(forgot the Jackson SL3)
I might have forgotten a point that may rock my decision so if there's anything, please feel free to tell me, lol
Anyways, I was thinking along the lines of Jackson, ESP, even a standard Epiphone! (see picture) Then it hit me, Schecter! And then I looked up the prices and they were SO low. Story behind this?
And they pretty much compete well with my other choices.
The MH1000 is around £720 but I could probably go a tiny bit higher.
So really this thread is for information on Schecter AND what seems to be a good choice. I'm currently looking at the Schecter C-1 Classic, 24 fret, Mahogany (MAH), Neck-thru, Maple neck (with a hint of Walnut, oh yes)
I don't mind about body shape either.
I'm looking for a Metal guitar, but also for pretty much anything. There are FRs there too cause if I don't see a TOM that doesn't 'win', so to speak. I'll just go for an FR. The Schecter C-1 Hellraiser FR even has an OFR!
Please help. PDT_014
(Will answer any questions too, I know I've missed out something, lol..)
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WARNING - THIS WILL NOT HELP GAS.
Schecters are absolutely amazing guitars, at absolutely amazing prices. They're one of the only companies that seem to take note of the exchange rate, and as such are infinitely better value than the LTDs, Ibanez's etc. Brilliant guitars - Brilliantly built, look fab, great hardware -Tick every box.
Now just waiting for the jeff loomis 7 string to make its way to England....
Either that or I buy one when I'm in the states in April...
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WARNING - THIS WILL NOT HELP GAS.
Schecters are absolutely amazing guitars, at absolutely amazing prices. They're one of the only companies that seem to take note of the exchange rate, and as such are infinitely better value than the LTDs, Ibanez's etc. Brilliant guitars - Brilliantly built, look fab, great hardware -Tick every box.
Now just waiting for the jeff loomis 7 string to make its way to England....
Either that or I buy one when I'm in the states in April...
PDT_044
Well this is a surprise. I was waiting for a spam of 'Schecter = shite' messages.
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If you're prepared to buy used/2nd hand, why not look for Charvels or Jacksons etc too?
You'd probably be able to buy a better guitar 2nd hand for the same money as some of those new.
Just an idea :)
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If you're prepared to buy used/2nd hand, why not look for Charvels or Jacksons etc too?
You'd probably be able to buy a better guitar 2nd hand for the same money as some of those new.
Just an idea :)
I'm not really up for buying 2nd hand. They seem to be too much of a hassle for me to scope out.
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I voted for the SLSMG, mainly because I'm biased towards Jackson. Anything that comes out of their US or Japanese factories is usually really good (though the cheapo Indian stuff is lousy & shouldn't be called Jackson IMO)
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I voted for the SLSMG, mainly because I'm biased towards Jackson. Anything that comes out of their US or Japanese factories is usually really good (though the cheapo Indian stuff is lousy & shouldn't be called Jackson IMO)
I agree with that.
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I would probably say SLSMG too, (but that's probably because it's the only one I've owned! :oops:).
-Awesome neck
-Feels/plays fantastically
-Looks fantastic
-Sounds not too shabby with the EMG 81/85 set
-Not TOO expensive (I managed to pick one up off ebay which had been given quite a few upgrades- Schaller locking tuners, locking bridge, professional setup + nut grind, deluxe Jackson hard case, for £490).
But I think it's worth bearing in mind that you've shortlisted some very different beasts. An Epi LP is practically incomparable to the Ibanez for example. It might help if you narrow down what you want in terms of feel/playability. Scale length, neck profile e.t.c.
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Schecter make some great guitars (the aforementioned Loomis sig being far and away my favourite, especially now you can get them with TOMs), but it's worth bearing in mind they have quite fat necks when compared with the Jacksons, ESPs and Ibbys.
Of the guitars you've mentioned, I like the ESPs most, the Eclipse being one of the only EMG equipped guitars I've liked the sound of. It also played very nicely indeed.
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Schecter make some great guitars (the aforementioned Loomis sig being far and away my favourite, especially now you can get them with TOMs), but it's worth bearing in mind they have quite fat necks when compared with the Jacksons, ESPs and Ibbys.
Of the guitars you've mentioned, I like the ESPs most, the Eclipse being one of the only EMG equipped guitars I've liked the sound of. It also played very nicely indeed.
Do you know the neck dimensions? I'm not looking for a thin neck. I even quite like Gibson 60s.
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I played some Schecters a few years ago and was impressed at how nice they were. I'm sure one of those guitars was this,
(http://media.schecterguitars.com/imgs/c1_elite_amb.jpg)
In my opinion they easily beat the comparable Ibanez guitars out there [/img]
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Of the guitars you've mentioned, I like the ESPs most, the Eclipse being one of the only EMG equipped guitars I've liked the sound of. It also played very nicely indeed.
+1. I have an EC-1000 (vintage black) with EMG 81/60 and I'm not swapping them for BKPs... yet ;) Playability is great, it's comfortable and not too heavy and it sounds brilliant. I have days when I dig the thinner neck of my Jackson, but the extra tone and umph I get with the ESP usually win in the end. Bought it 1,5 years ago, also considered the Schecter Hellraiser but ended up going with the EC-1000. Both are quality instruments! And yeah, the Schecters have some pretty nice, fat necks.
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Schecter make some great guitars (the aforementioned Loomis sig being far and away my favourite, especially now you can get them with TOMs), but it's worth bearing in mind they have quite fat necks when compared with the Jacksons, ESPs and Ibbys.
Of the guitars you've mentioned, I like the ESPs most, the Eclipse being one of the only EMG equipped guitars I've liked the sound of. It also played very nicely indeed.
Do you know the neck dimensions? I'm not looking for a thin neck. I even quite like Gibson 60s.
Gibson 60's necks are thin - or slim as they call it. The 50's are the 'fat' necks.
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Schecter make some great guitars (the aforementioned Loomis sig being far and away my favourite, especially now you can get them with TOMs), but it's worth bearing in mind they have quite fat necks when compared with the Jacksons, ESPs and Ibbys.
Of the guitars you've mentioned, I like the ESPs most, the Eclipse being one of the only EMG equipped guitars I've liked the sound of. It also played very nicely indeed.
Do you know the neck dimensions? I'm not looking for a thin neck. I even quite like Gibson 60s.
Gibson 60's necks are thin - or slim as they call it. The 50's are the 'fat' necks.
Yeah I know that, I want to know the Schecter dimensions, lol..
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Hmmm
You said you weren't looking for a thin neck ... and like 60's Gibson necks?
Confused :o
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Hmmm
You said you weren't looking for a thin neck ... and like 60's Gibson necks?
Confused :o
Gibson 60s were fatter than Nez' at least. And Jacksons would be in between. Just thinking where are Schecters.
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I had a quick look and it would seem Schecter haven't published them.
The Schecter forum had this thread going for it.
http://www.schecterforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=268
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Schecters are absolutely amazing guitars, at absolutely amazing prices. They're one of the only companies that seem to take note of the exchange rate, and as such are infinitely better value than the LTDs, Ibanez's etc. Brilliant guitars - Brilliantly built, look fab, great hardware -Tick every box.
Now just waiting for the jeff loomis 7 string to make its way to England....
Either that or I buy one when I'm in the states in April...
On the exchange rate, well it's not really anything to do with Schecter's pricing, it's just that Soundcontrol import them themselves, so there's no distributor to pay.
As for a Jeff Loomis model, you will need to special order it through Soundcontrol or buy one outwith Britain. There are no plans to buy any in as stock, I know because I asked the Guitar Buyer of Soundcontrol last week.
Now, for the thread starter, in terms of value for money they're hard to beat, none of them really appeal to me, but if you want that kind of guitar then they're a great option.
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I had a quick look and it would seem Schecter haven't published them.
The Schecter forum had this thread going for it.
http://www.schecterforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=268
I must be stupid cause I don't know what they mean by 'narrow'
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I took it to mean the same as my LP Classic neck. It starts of slim, or narrow, at the 1st fret and gradually widens up to the 12th.
I wonder why Schecter don't publish the dimensions?
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I took it to mean the same as my LP Classic neck. It starts of slim, or narrow, at the 1st fret and gradually widens up to the 12th.
I wonder why Schecter don't publish the dimensions?
Don't know.
But I think the Gibson Les Paul Classic is AMAZING! If I had the money I'd buy one already! I played one on Monday and it was B-E-A-UUUUUTY.
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Yeah the Classics are really nice and the tapered necks are fun to play as well.
I know you said that you don't like going for second hand but there are some decent deals on LP Classics on ebay. Some Gibson Double Cuts and Studios have the same 60's neck - and Flying V's, if I remember right.
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IThen it hit me, Schecter! And then I looked up the prices and they were SO low. Story behind this?
they aren't very nice? I'm not much a fan to be honest. any of the ones I've tried, anyway. :lol:
if you can get up to £700 you can do a lot better if you ask me.
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Ibanez
Because their quality control on budget-mid stuff has been embarrasing competetors for a few years now (they've gone from some of my least favourite guitars, bar their late 80s stuff, to some of my favourites pretty quicjly)
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Saw one of these in Soho Soundhouse.
It's a thing of GREAT beauty, IMO.
Mark.
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I have an EC-1000 with bkp Black Dogs in it so of course i'm going to be biased and say get that :P However i got myn for £400 including hard case and shipping off Ebay, they are pretty expensive new.
My opinion on the Schecter issue is that yes they are cheap and nice to look at but when i played some they just felt cheap, plasticy and tacky and not something they i can see anyone using in the long run.
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Schecters are OK, but they aren't the best VFM, indeed, once you're into the price range where they're genuinely decent guitars, the competition is extremely fierce.
Here's a good, cheap one you haven't listed.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/dean_guitars_vendetta_4floyd_rose.htm
The Jeff Loomis model is available from Thomann, but TBH it's pretty overpriced. It can't genuinely be worth £200 more than the C7. Schecter's 2008 catalogue has a hardtail model, which could be interesting.
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OK, rechecked and it's only £70 more than the Hellraiser FR (I was thinking of the Blackjack price), so not too bad, although more than I'd pay for it really.
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Ibanez
Because their quality control on budget-mid stuff has been embarrasing competetors for a few years now (they've gone from some of my least favourite guitars, bar their late 80s stuff, to some of my favourites pretty quicjly)
I agree, I recently tried a couple of Ibanezes in the 300-400 euro range, and they felt amazing! Played them first and then had a look at the price tags, I was positively surprised.
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Schecters are OK, but they aren't the best VFM, indeed, once you're into the price range where they're genuinely decent guitars, the competition is extremely fierce.
Here's a good, cheap one you haven't listed.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/dean_guitars_vendetta_4floyd_rose.htm
The Jeff Loomis model is available from Thomann, but TBH it's pretty overpriced. It can't genuinely be worth £200 more than the C7. Schecter's 2008 catalogue has a hardtail model, which could be interesting.
That dean is rubbish.
The bridge is awful, and the guitar just feels like a toy.
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Schecters are absolutely amazing guitars, at absolutely amazing prices. They're one of the only companies that seem to take note of the exchange rate, and as such are infinitely better value than the LTDs, Ibanez's etc. Brilliant guitars - Brilliantly built, look fab, great hardware -Tick every box.
Now just waiting for the jeff loomis 7 string to make its way to England....
Either that or I buy one when I'm in the states in April...
I didn't like the couple i played in the shop. They weren't really put together well, the action while OK was dwarfed by the fact that the frets were set up shite. Neck profile was nice, for what it was, but the heel could have been done better. They are fairly light though. The woods used seem to be OK, nothing is really as good - at least from the ones i tried - as noodle says they are. My biggest complaint would be the total set up. Of course, this really doesn't mean anything as those models could have been sitting around the shop for a while, or just poorly put together ones, surely they aren't all like that!
EDIT: Honestly if you want a well made guitar and are not gonna go custom i would suggest the ESP. Just top notch quality there, nigh perfect set up, the works.
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I think Schecters aren't bad, just aren't really fantastic. And as others have said, towards the top-end of the budget, you'd be better off going with something like a Jackson/Ibanez/ESP.
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I voted for the slsmg because I own one(see avatar) and I'm really happy with it. I got it used a year old in perfect shape for half the price. My second choice would be an older made in Japan Ibanez S series. The Korean made ones like the one on your list aren't as good. Not saying they're bad, it's just it would be the kind of thing where you'd have to try a few of the same model to find one best for you.
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Another thought: look at Agile guitars, they would almost certainly have some GREAT deals and they have fantastic craftsmanship. If you are not looking to pay as much as the ESP or Jackson, however, i would go for the tried and true Ibanez, quality for price just can't be beat in that catagory. :)
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Another thought: look at Agile guitars, they would almost certainly have some GREAT deals and they have fantastic craftsmanship. If you are not looking to pay as much as the ESP or Jackson, however, i would go for the tried and true Ibanez, quality for price just can't be beat in that catagory. :)
What on earth?
First you say schecters have bad setups and you point to agile?
Only go for Agile if you are looking for value ABOVE ALL ELSE - They're a complete gamble - Half the time you'll have trem screws with destroyed threads, or strap buttons screwed at an angle etc.
Every story I hear about Agile seems to be worse than the previous - Sure, a good Agile is probably a good guitar, but since you can't try them out - I would never risk it.
On the other hand, I don't understand what people are saying about Schecter, the C1s and above play brilliantly, and are superbly finished in my experience.
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Seems Schecter is marmite, me thinks.
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I think for the most part, if you strike a balance between the two extremes of praise and criticism, you get an idea of what schecters are like. :wink: :lol: