Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: jibidy on March 13, 2008, 11:00:01 AM
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I while ago i posted about getting a small valve amp and building up gear, or just getting the line 6 spidervalve.
My mind was set on the line 6 but now im far more leaning to the small valve amp. Im thinking tiny terror.
Just a few questions about the tiny terror. Does the tiny terror take well to effects? Ide like to eventually get distortion, reverb, tremolo/vibrato, maybe phase eventually. Does it have an effects loop.
Also will it still be to loud for bedroom use?
Cheers to all. :guitar4:
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I'm old skool - I voted for the TT.
There's no effects loop, which is why Hunter sold his. From what I can remember about mine it took pedals fine, but I only really used a booster with it though.
It sounds OK at lower volumes, certainly good enough for practice, but it really wants to be cranked to get the best out of it. If you're going to be using it for recording that's something to think about.
(Just for the record, I sold mine as I preferred the sound of my Blackstar HT-Dual though my JTM45 for home practice)
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i voted TT because the Line6 sounds rubbish :lol:
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I probs go down the tiny terror route. are there any alternatives that have a effects loop?
While i think it would be fun to play with all the crazy stuff that the spider valve has, I think it would be more fun trying different pedals different valves and different cabs. this looks cool\/\/\/
http://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/amplification_detail.asp?stock=06020317583229&guitars=3
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I don't know much about the spider valve but the tiny terror is an awesome little amp - very nice tonally and will take pedals fine through the front end.
I think it will be a future little classic :D
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I dislike Line6, another vote for TT, although never tried one
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If you've any doubts about the Tiny Terror look at this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfivHKNFQRc
Really like his tone and playing. The "effects patio" he refers to at 6.45 consists of a single tiny MXR booster. Confirms what I've always thought - you don't need shedloads of gear/effects to get a good sound. I believe his Strat has BKPs - not sure which ones.
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If you've any doubts about the Tiny Terror look at this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfivHKNFQRc
Really like his tone and playing. The "effects patio" he refers to at 6.45 consists of a single tiny MXR booster. Confirms what I've always thought - you don't need shedloads of gear/effects to get a good sound. I believe his Strat has BKPs - not sure which ones.
The guy is a monster player, but I don't think the tone from the TT is anything special at all.
It's amusing, hearing all the opinions being given, slating the SV and upholding the virtues of the TT, when it's quite clear that most people giving their opinions have not even played both, from the sound of it.
Sounds like a pretty hollow opinion to me.
I have not played both, so I cannot compare. I have played the TT, which I thought was OK, nothing more. I have heard some monster clips of the SV, and I would like to play one at some point. the SV has a huge benefit over the TT in one way, in that it is so much more flexible in terms of the tones it can produce.
Also be aware that the SV is not a great low volume amp from all accounts. Like all tube power sections, it seems to like being cranked (at least 11:00 on the dial for example).
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Haha that guy who demos that orange is a well good play and his tone rules. He did a vid before saying he just puts everything on 10.
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is cost an issue here?
ive seen the SV 112 £349 new and the cheapest you get the TT + 112 new is £450+
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Well thanks for all the replies guys. I think im more set on the tiny terror.
Though the spider valve does seem really cool, it seems like a one trick pony, in an ironic way, it seems good but still sounds like abit of technology rather than a tube amp(based on youtube and clips ive heard), i havent tried one but no-one around here has one. I dont think many people crank it and mic it to record.
With the tiny terror i think ill be getting more of what i want as it will be more so crankable than the line 6.
+I can become a gear whore and get build up a cool pedal board! :twisted:
I could with the spider valve to be honest but that seems pointless. :?
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Cost is kind of an issue but if somethings worth saving for ide rather put an extra couple quid in. plus im not sure ill get the orange cab. Maybe spend abit more on the cab, ive seen a nice bogner 112.
That guy in the clip is cool. He obviously like orange.
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if you have the orange head - you 'need' the orange cab (well I do anyway)
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Why would i 'need' the orange cab? There are plenty of other cabs to choose from. Im sure they can do the job.
The orange cab would look nice though and they are still good cabs. I would just like to be different lol. :idea: :shock:
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I've had 3 Spiders. :o
Yes I know, valve amp builder and all. :lol:
However, for bedroom use, the downfall of Valves is self evident....too damn loud. Or actually, they can be quiet, but often sound poor when they are.
If you get a spider, get at least the 75W 112. The smaller 30W amp is nowhere near as good. The 150W 212 actually sounds great at bedroom volumes. Of course it's all fake, but then it can be very satisfying to play. And it's giggable.
On the valve side, it's amazing how little power you need. I've built a few 1W amps (2 x ECC83 and uses an ECC82 as a push pull output stage) and they're great home practise amps.
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If you get a spider, get at least the 75W 112. The smaller 30W amp is nowhere near as good. The 150W 212 actually sounds great at bedroom volumes. Of course it's all fake, but then it can be very satisfying to play. And it's giggable.
He's on about the (relatively) new spider valves Martin. A couple of 40W combos and a 100W head. The combo's have a 2x 6L6 power amp and the 100W has a 4x 6L6. Some fairly nice clips on this thread - http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=364502
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Why would i 'need' the orange cab? There are plenty of other cabs to choose from. Im sure they can do the job.
Purely for looks of course! Being serious its not a bad little cab but there are others out there that do an arguably better job.
Just got to watch which speaker you get in the orange 1x12 some are the v30 and some aren't - due to the switchover in production to china or korea i don't remeber which. (the v30 sounds better imho)
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He's on about the (relatively) new spider valves Martin.
Ah yes, didn't read properly.
Seems a waste of time for bedroom use, as the valve o/p stage will contribute little.
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kk seem like the tiny terror will be my choice then!
cheers for all the replies !
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I've been playing for 16 years, but my playing got a little stale.
I decided it was time to go back to a tutor to learn theory and now I have a lesson every other week. I love my lessons except for one thing......... the Line 6 Spider that I have to plug in to every week.
Decent enough features for the loot but it sucks out all the dynamics of my playing.
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I've not played a Line 6 but I have a Tiny Terror and I love it. I'm not going to go nuts here, but it's a good valve amp for the money in my opinion. I run mine through an Orange 1x12 which is Asian built with a Celestion GH something K 100W speaker.
This sucker is quite loud! Even on 7 watts. Perhaps look for a cab with a lower db rated speaker? This will bring the overall volume down a little. Or better yet get an attenuator, this is not a cheap option I will admit, and I didn't get one for the TT. But when I did get one I played the TT cranked through it and it did really well.
One thing to note, the TT does not have a clean channel, you can back the gain right off, and crank the volume full bore to get close, but it's never completely clean.
Definately make sure you play one before you buy, I personally think that Orange have a great sound (I own 2) but it's not for everyone I'm sure.
Let us know how you get on!
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I've not played a Line 6 but I have a Tiny Terror and I love it. I'm not going to go nuts here, but it's a good valve amp for the money in my opinion. I run mine through an Orange 1x12 which is Asian built with a Celestion GH something K 100W speaker.
This sucker is quite loud! Even on 7 watts. Perhaps look for a cab with a lower db rated speaker? This will bring the overall volume down a little. Or better yet get an attenuator, this is not a cheap option I will admit, and I didn't get one for the TT. But when I did get one I played the TT cranked through it and it did really well.
One thing to note, the TT does not have a clean channel, you can back the gain right off, and crank the volume full bore to get close, but it's never completely clean.
Definately make sure you play one before you buy, I personally think that Orange have a great sound (I own 2) but it's not for everyone I'm sure.
Let us know how you get on!
You can get Orange 1x12s with K100s?!?!?!
GAS!!!
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You can get Orange 1x12s with K100s?!?!?!
GAS!!!
Apparently... Although Orange seem to have changed their minds, I just checked the web site and it's listed with V30's rated at 100W, but I'm sure when I was researching the purchase it was listed as a K 100. *shurg*
http://www.orangeamps.com/cabinets/1x12/specs.htm
http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/options.php?id=67504
http://www.lifeismusic.co.uk/guitar/Orange-PPC112-1-x-12-Speaker-C-3622.aspx
3 different answers...
I've never taken the back off mine so frankly there could be anything in there :D
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K i tried the tiny terror down the local shop today. I was very much not impressed. Didnt sound big, which is why i thought it would be cool, got the volume to about 12 o'clock with the gain full, then tried cleanin it and it sounded ok clean but it didnt impress me.
IMO Didn't sound as nice as my randall g3!
Tomorrow im gonna go back with my miracle men and see if that can bring it out abit.
So far im not impressed by it. maybe needs some pedals, ill take my EQ aswell.
While we're here any one got alternatives other than the tiny terror small lo watt valves amps?
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Zvex Nano? I really want to have a go on one, they sound great from what I can tell.
edit - listen to this clip, he gets a great sound http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7U9ylAeSvDY
This guy gets some good tones out of his as well http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWs46OmRu1s
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K i tried the tiny terror down the local shop today. I was very much not impressed. Didnt sound big, which is why i thought it would be cool, got the volume to about 12 o'clock with the gain full, then tried cleanin it and it sounded ok clean but it didnt impress me.
IMO Didn't sound as nice as my randall g3!
Tomorrow im gonna go back with my miracle men and see if that can bring it out abit.
So far im not impressed by it. maybe needs some pedals, ill take my EQ aswell.
While we're here any one got alternatives other than the tiny terror small lo watt valves amps?
What are you trying to do with it?
BROOTALZ Death metal?
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nah i dont really like a really high gain sound i dont think it was bright enough for me. It sounded really dark, boxy and not very 'big' which ive read it does sound. there also wasnt very much sustain. Do you think my peavey(miracle men) will help these things?
Anyone think a laney lionheart might be more for me? The 5 watt one
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The lionhearts are supposed to be fantastic amps! and far better than that TT.
I can see why some people like the TT, just crank it up and it's great. Sure it's only really got one sound, but thats how single channel amp's are. Great if you want a one trick pony and like the sound it produces, i don't at all, it sounds like it's got that great crunch tone but inside it is this sort of fuzzy buzzyness blended in, and i've tried three TT's so far. Could be an El84 thing.
I personally would go for the Lionheart.
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Anyone think a laney lionheart might be more for me? The 5 watt one
I have that very amp (and am looking at it right now!). It is an awesome little beast and sounds sooooooo sweet. Let us all know if you decide to get one - they are being sold for £450.00 in guitarworks in Reading at the moment, I think the RRP is £549.00 or something.
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I have owned a Lionheart 20W, and was not hugely impressed with it. Although, to be honest I have not played the 5W combo.
If I was in the market for a 5W (ish) combo for home use, I would seriously consider trying the Cornford Harlequin as well as the Lionheart. The harly is a truly professional quality (and sounding) amp. Build quality will ensure it will last forever. Sounds beautiful. Currently about £599 at most places.
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it sounds like it's got that great crunch tone but inside it is this sort of fuzzy buzzyness blended in, and i've tried three TT's so far. Could be an El84 thing.
That's an Orange thing......
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Ill try thr laney on monday or wednesday i think itll be more 'me' does the cornford have an effects loop? Doe sthe laney actually?
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does the cornford have an effects loop? Doe sthe laney actually?
http://www.cornfordamps.com/
http://www.laney.co.uk/
Try google, its a wonderful thing ! :wink: :lol: