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At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: opprobrium_9 on March 13, 2008, 08:14:03 PM
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The answer is probably not, but i would like to think so, or would have until an occurrence yesterday prompted me to write this thread. This is an incident that occurred online, so i thought i would keep the grievances online and complaints online.
So yesterday i was officially kicked off of Sevenstring.org - the enitre site - PERMANENTLY. This can be remedied, and i will not go into the details of the remedy otherwise they may observe and thwart my shifty plan :twisted:.
In anycase here is what happend. There was some thread that was a year old, and somehow it was on the first page. I proceeded to look at the thread, about this guy's custom guitar, and then commented. I made some stupid sarcastic comment about the fretboard inlays and byzantine christianity (the two were related). I came back a day later (yesterday) -and checked on the thread and the mass of the community there had assailed my post. I thought it was all very funny that they should get so riled up by such a stupid, and obviously misinterpreted, comment. However, one post caught my eye, it was refuting the basic fundamental truth of my statement that Celtic Crosses are derived from Byzantine art. I then proceeded to hold my ground and prove my point, as i have been taught to do all my life: defend your position if you know it is right.
Now, rightly so, this was completely off topic at this point, the discussion was supposed to be about guitars. However, i thought it necessary not to leave this poor soul in ignorance and, in turn, vindicate my point with evidence. I did so in a rather lengthy post. I suppose i should have suspected the outcome, but i was surprised and quite amused (i was laughing my ass off at this point) to find i was yet again assailed by vitriolic comments. Within minutes i was kicked off of the site. It is all rather pathetic that they got so incredibly offended at such a stupid thing, and futhermore that they took my genera mentality to be troublemaking. However, nonetheless i proceeded to laugh my silly face off at the results of my unexpected masterful accomplishment. I had managed to offend an entire online community with two stupid posts that were not directed at anybody until i decided to DEFEND my point. I suppose one finds genius in the strangest of places, i find it amusing, and i realize all you may not.
In anycase i thought that forum of all forums would be a lot more relaxed about such things, however, i am yet again disappointed. I was in good spirits all of yesterday because of how ridiculous the whole thing was, how $%&#in stupid the general population is over there, and how ridiculous the whole site is rigged up: an intricate network of in-profile posting abilities, in-profile negative and positive point additions, and several other ridiculous things such as a 'thanking' system. I was not particularly enamoured to the site, however, something doesn't sit quite right with me about it, so i thought i would write this post as a therapeutic kind of deal.
NOW, on a kind of similar note, i came to wonder about my behavior on this forum. I have become quite attached to the online community here, as much as someone can be attached to an online entity that is. So it got me wondering, am i comparatively tame on this site, or has this site, by way of the good natured community mellowed me out? I would say in a sense, yes. And clearly not in some cases, such as this incident with Sevenstring.org as my hotheaded self got the better of me.
I am sure some (or many) of you have experienced a couple my rants on here, few that they are compared to some other online communities, TRUST ME. My temper gets the better of me on many occasions, and there have been several more notable ones on here, some of which my rhetoric was VERY poorly executed and thus my points where wholly abortive - it happens sometimes in a fit of irritation or the need to prove a point (without thinking it through fully). And as it stands, i appreciate that you have all put up with my slight stupidities every once and again, especially those occasions where i make a total ass out of myself due to shaky wording, or off topic rants etc. I am further glad that i haven't gotten kicked off for this activity yet, though compared to some other places it is rather subdued. I rather like you blokes and it would be ashame to ruin this well of information about guitars and furthermore the sarcastic and joking miens of you all to boot.
So i really don't expect anybody to comment at this, but feel free to say anything you like. Again, this was more of a pensive, therapeutic post. Don't really need any sympathy as this is easily remedied with a little tinkering, and i still find the whole ordeal quite amusing, but if you really wish to pay your respects, as it were, feel free.
- The "O"
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It's very easy to get stuck into a full-scale row online, that much is true.
This place is mellow, that much is true. I can't remember any major bust-ups occuring, at all. Compared with a few other places I post...
Take Fastfude, A NI Music Board. This place had a thirty odd-page slanging match that started with "Bass. Fingers or Plectrum". I'm not joking, either. hundreds upon hundreds of posts of sheer vituperative hatred, from that innocent starting point.
There's no trolls here, I think that's the thing.
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I think this place definitely has calming effect, mainly as a byproduct of the air of wisdom that floats around this place. :lol:
I know when I first joined a while ago, I was (in no uncertain terms) an idiot. :oops: I still am, but just less so. :wink:
The way in which you defend your position plays quite a major part in whether you'll come across as a pain in the arse or someone who knows their stuff (I should know! :oops:) And perhaps more importantly, defending your position is sometimes simply futile.
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I understand the humour of your situation and can relate.
The biggest problem with a forum of this sort and the others is that oftentimes things are misinterpreted or come across in a way that was not intended. Obviously it is a bit more difficult to express yourself the way you may intend over the internet. If it was done face to face, it may come across in a completely different manner.
Anyway, it is what it is. A forum full of information about guitars and related matters. That's why I use it, to feed my horrible addiction. :)
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I can't remember any major bust-ups occuring, at all. .
*Cringes*
:oops: :oops: :oops:
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i've got into a few before on other forums, usually its a simple misundertsanding because of a language barrier or the nature of the internet
some forums are just more good natured than others and it does tend to come down to good, but not too strict moderation.... which is what i think we have here
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I feel for you. It happens all the time on the internet that someone takes what you say out of context and then when you try to explain or defend it, you're seen as stubborn or trouble making. It's really quite frustrating when you're in trouble for saying something and then the topic gets locked, for being off-topic, before you have a chance to properly explain your position. It's a major flaw of the internet.
I tend to express myself more bluntly than I actually mean it. A form of exagreration for effect, I guess, and some people see that as arrogance or "elitism". For instance I'd say "Clapton sucks" when what I really mean is "I don't like Clapton", and I consider it a given that though expressed as a fact, it's obviously an opinion because a such thing IS a matter of opinion. But some people seem to think that means I want Clapton wiped off the face of the earth and have his memory forever errased from the minds of humankind.
Once people have formed an opinion about you, it's very hard to change that, even if they only base it on a misunderstanding in the first place.
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I can't remember any major bust-ups occuring, at all. .
*Cringes*
:oops: :oops: :oops:
I was a knob when I first started posting here. Then again I've matured loads since then, and have stopped calling Sambo here an ass munch.
This place is awesome, everyone is helpful and there is so little sniping it's awesome. Maybe cos the most of us are not adolescents?
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How old are you O 9?
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My theory is that people get a lot braver over the internet and so start to see their value judgements as fact in a way they would never do in reality. This leads to problems like yours.
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do you really want to go back to a forum that kicked you off for something so petty? - sounds like a pretty small-minded place to hang out imo.
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You're mellow yellow to me.
(That's some admiration if anything)
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Most forums are absolute shite holes.
Let me explain - It all boils down to a few individuals gaining huge influence by recognition, which is gained by just mass PR - Similar to TO, Phil King, Dave etc.
Now - When these influencial characters begin to abuse their reputable status - Others jump on the bandwagon, and it turns from 1 guy trying to be an arsehole - Because he can - And turns into 100 people trying to join in with their e-mate.
Its pathetic - Agressive, and really makes me hate forums.
Thankfully, the names mentioned are great guys, and the attitude on this forum is very liberal, and as such we get on lovely =)
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How old are you O 9?
Not that it matters, but 20.
do you really want to go back to a forum that kicked you off for something so petty? - sounds like a pretty small-minded place to hang out imo.
Well, really just to look at the guitars and gain general information. I doubt i will ever bother to actually post there again.
You're mellow yellow to me.
(That's some admiration if anything)
Compared to 3 months ago on this forum yes :lol:
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Its all fine around here I think, apart from a certain someone, that begins with I, and ends in ndySmith :P
Well in all honesty theres no problems at all, even Indy's worst are usually tasteful (heh, well just picking on Indy as he is the nearest person that can qualify as knowing me off of BKP, kind of)
I guess with t'internet you have to remember things can read differently to what they sound like when you type them.
And those that are from foreign are very fluent as it is, so there are no hiccups with translation there.
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Hang on what do you mean? Clapton sucks?...how dare you...... :wink: Actually I think the whole thing that makes it sometimes difficult is that we are all typing our thoughts and, notwithstanding emoticons, there is no easy way to express the fact that you might be expressing irony or, if not, a genuinely held view that perhaps may or may not be expressed in a more subtle way. But as some have said some people get out of their trees for no good reason. On this forum though I think the humour and general goodwill keeps things in check. Even I have had one or two run ins with people that I did not seek or expect. I have enough hassle in my day to day life without finding it on line and so I think I would tend to leave them to it. As for your situation, well I just would decide whether I could be bothered to go back and commune with them-that is up to you of course.
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Agree with the whole forum thing - I actually think this one is a bit unique in that a huge majority of the posts are good natured (I can't recall a bad one in my few months on here) and everyone seems to get on.
The guy who sings in our band got pulled up on stage with Damien Rice at his Reading Hexagon gig and sung Cold Water with him (long story and I won't bore everyone with it but it was/is genuine). This story was put on to the Damien Rice forum and within minutes some of the posters on there were just downright rude and absusive about the whole thing. I reckon if one of the posters on here ever got on stage with a big name guitarist and played a song with him/her everyone would be happy for them.
BKP forum - it's a lovely place to be and now the only forum I post to.
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I find this place the best forum I have found.
It is pretty calm and folks try to get along with each other.
There have been a few hotheaded incidents, but most have been smoothed over.
I have seen a number of members evolve and grow and chill out during their time here, and sometimes that has been because they were 14 when they joined and now they are a few years older, and have reacted well to the other members giving them respect and the time of day
I think it helps that a number of us have met each other here and there.
I certainly like catching up with guys from on here, whether at a guitar show , or a gig or maybe doing a spot of business or trading gear.
I think it is cool that everybody tries to communicate well and doesn't resort to Text speak much, which I cant read as I am over 40. It just makes it easier for us all to get along and understand each other.
All in all - it's a good place to be :D
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I know when I first joined a while ago, I was (in no uncertain terms) an idiot. :oops: I still am, but just less so. :wink:
yeah, i feel the same way about that. i was really green when i first joined, but i knew the sound i got from my first pair of bkps sounded better when i recorded, and that was enough for me to join. i've never been a member of other forums - and having browsed through a few since then i have no desire to join ;) i learn so much from the people here. hopefully i've had some useful things to say occasionally - but not much maybe!!
feline: i must say i thought you were mid to late 30s
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For me this place is a bit like a pub, somewhere to meet your mates and chew the fat. Sometimes people get hotheaded but we can put that down to the booze (or the GAS).
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I hereby refer you to JGGIDT (pronounced je'gidz)
John Gabriel's Greater Internet Dickward Theory
(http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-34640480252896_1994_2014710)
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I've been on the internet for a LONG time and i'd totally boycotted forums since the begining, they've always been riddled with idiocy and moronic behaviour, and it's not always people of the younger generation. i'd always prefered going on IRC and such like.
This is the only forum where i've kept coming back, i now check here many times a day and love this place to bits, i've been here a few years though i rarely ever post on anything, only just realised how often i think i've posted but havent! i'm starting to post now, even if what i say is often garbage.
I wonder if it's sad that the internet plays such a large part of my life? i talk to my friends on here, one's i know in reality and ones i dont, i find all my music on here, usually on youtube, watch other guitar players on youtube, and loads more. I guess it's the norm these days!
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I wonder if it's sad that the internet plays such a large part of my life? i talk to my friends on here, one's i know in reality and ones i dont, i find all my music on here, usually on youtube, watch other guitar players on youtube, and loads more. I guess it's the norm these days!
This is a scary reality my friend. Becoming more attached to the computer and "net-life" than the real world. The internet is a tool, i really have found more music online than by just chatting to people, and rightly so! But as long as there is a good balance i don't see us delving into "The Time Machine" (H.G. Wells) anytime soon.
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You can't get the feel and experience of a real live gig on t'interwebnet. For that reason alone you can't beat the real world ;)
This forum is indeed great and the most relaxed and respectful one that I know. Long may it continue :drink:
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For me this place is a bit like a pub, somewhere to meet your mates and chew the fat..
I second that sentiment. I love this forum and try to conduct myself responsibly whilst still retaining the right to a bit of good natured ribbing and banter.
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I think it is cool that everybody tries to communicate well and doesn't resort to Text speak much, which I cant read as I am over 40.
I'm 19 and I have trouble reading it. :lol: Maybe it's becasue I never had a cellphone.
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Personally i think the two biggest problems are that you can't really tell if sarcasm is being used or not on the internet, and the other is that some people can't accept other peoples opinions and think that they are disrespecting their opinion by saying something different, which is a bit silly imo.
I like this forum though, it's rare you get a bust up on here, and it only happens when there is a difference in opinion which is usually gear related. When i first joined i was an arse because i was young and immature and i had only been playing guitar for a little while, but when you get older and have more experience you realise people don't want to come on here to see you shouting your opinions about and slagging off others and being a tit, they just want to chat to their forum buddies and discuss things about their number 1 passion which is playing the guitar and try to give the best possible advice to others.
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I think it is cool that everybody tries to communicate well and doesn't resort to Text speak much, which I cant read as I am over 40.
I'm 19 and I have trouble reading it. :lol: Maybe it's becasue I never had a cellphone.
17 myself, and I got sick of it a few years ago. I can't understand my mothers texts :?
and Jon, I thought you were mid to late 30's! my 36 year old brother looks older than you!
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I suspect the forum has mellowed you a little, this is a very chilled forum by most standards, and most people re-act to an environment, if you're the only acting like and idiot you'll stand out and no-one will talk to you.
Also most (probably all) of the posters on here are serious about their playing, even if like me it's only a hobby (and probably doesn't classify as 'playing'). I think that alone means they are more interested in genuine discussion than having a fight. Discussion = shared experience, fighting = shared idiocy.
Nearly everything I know about gear I've picked up here, and I really do trust the opinions of those who post here, even when I don't agree with them :)
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Nearly everything I know about gear I've picked up here, and I really do trust the opinions of those who post here, even when I don't agree with them :)
I second that!
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I agree with that aswell.
A year on the BKP forums teaches you a hell of alot.
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I've been a member for a couple of years now and can always rely on getting solid answers and feedback to my questions here.
I feel the down to earth atmosphere in the forum is greatly due to the vibe and support given from Tim and the Bare Knuckle staff. I feel this vibe is passed down to each of us making us more polite and easy going.
Long live BKPs :twisted:
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So your 20 O9. Well I'm 42 and having been online for 12 years does make a difference if you go back that far which would make me 30 and you 8. I've seen lots of places online that are just platforms for ranting and raving in that 12 years and they are full of people who love it. As you've noticed this place isn't like that. Trolls is what they are and that is a term I haven't heard or have had to use for the nearly 3 years I've been here. I sense that you were drawn into all that when I first read some of your posts here. As you can see this place is lovely and we all get on and learn from each other. I've learned loads of things on here by asking questions or just reading. It's great and it is like a pub in a way. Leave the tearing strips to the mugs in the shitety forums. This place is guitar heaven and I just don't bother like most of us here, with other forums. Anyway I'll drink to the new you, cheers! :) :drink:
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I'm probably a bit of a tw@t on the internet but I suppose thats better than me being a tw@t in person :lol:
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This place is very cool, and theres much more respect for each other, and in turn, each others opinions on here. I do agree that it has alot to do with the mainly post adolesent members (although I am 16 :oops: :P ).
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So your 20 O9. Well I'm 42 and having been online for 12 years does make a difference if you go back that far which would make me 30 and you 8. I've seen lots of places online that are just platforms for ranting and raving in that 12 years and they are full of people who love it. As you've noticed this place isn't like that. Trolls is what they are and that is a term I haven't heard or have had to use for the nearly 3 years I've been here. I sense that you were drawn into all that when I first read some of your posts here. As you can see this place is lovely and we all get on and learn from each other. I've learned loads of things on here by asking questions or just reading. It's great and it is like a pub in a way. Leave the tearing strips to the mugs in the shitety forums. This place is guitar heaven and I just don't bother like most of us here, with other forums. Anyway I'll drink to the new you, cheers! :) :drink:
At least a new online me :wink: In any case, you were right to think that as i came off of a 2 year association with the Encyclopedia Metallum, AKA Metal-Archives, forums and everything there was pretty vicious at times. I became highly defensive, it helped me grow in some ways, and in others, such that i grew out of that place :lol: (i can be elitist without resorting to online squabbles about such matters :wink:, squabbles in real life for that matter ) Here however, i have yet again evolved at least with my online identity and personality and have come to be a bit more civil - not saying i won't bust out with a rant every once and again, however, there will be very few in the future if there are any at all. I hope to be a member of this place for a long time to come, and i hope to one day share my music with you all as i have respect for your oppinions and appreciation. :D
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I'm probably a bit of a tw@t on the internet but I suppose thats better than me being a tw@t in person :lol:
Ditto.
Like I said; quite often people are far too brave on the internet and wind up acting total c--ks.
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I think the problem with internet forum's is that they are like documents that last forever, once you say certain things you can't go back, so I try and think about what I'm saying more than I would in real life before posting. You should try having your blogs critisized on your myspace page, by an enemy who's sole purpose is to turn people against you, now that's not easy! this has now stopped fortunatley, it happend to me for over a year until they gave up, some very strange people out there on the internet!
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Ahhhh
One big happy family here. :D
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Yes, very mellow here.
I think that it's often to do with competition - forums are often one thing vs another. I'm a martial artist, and I used to visit kung fu forums a lot, and they were FULL of ignorant, bigoted cowards posting about their prowess, or their masters' skill... I guess that we're all on the same side here, except for the occasional disagreement about Painkillers vs Miracle Men (when everyone knows Nailbombs kick ALL of your puny arses...)
:twisted:
Also, forums owe a lot to a favourite David Bowie lyric - "Talk in extremes, it will save you time..."
Mark.
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some forums are just more good natured than others and it does tend to come down to good, but not too strict moderation.... which is what i think we have here
agreed. :)
I've got into the odd slanging match online, and to be honest, it's just not worth it. you can't win, and for all you know the person arguing with you is just trying to be a troll and is secretly laughing at how riled up you're getting...
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Sometimes I see on some forums, what i now call "The Heather Mills effect" which is : "the more you say - the less you are right"
Gladly we don't get much of that here people generally keep their egos in check.
I agree with what was said earlier about competitiveness and how it leads to slanging matches but don't feel that we see much of it here.
Thankfully the makers : myself, Bob Johnson, Wez, Blackmachine (Doug doesn't do forums) and anyone else are keener to share ideas and be constructive to each other than to get into a competitive race.
Also true with players on the Forum - we dont see too much I'm faster than you or more melodic etc.
Even as far as taste in music goes we all seem to accept that we don't all like the same things and that we are all entitled to enjoy what we enjoy
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Gladly we don't get much of that here people generally keep their egos in check.
Amazing isn't it? Considdering all, well most anyway, guitarists are egomaniacs. Apart from me offcourse.
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Gladly we don't get much of that here people generally keep their egos in check.
Amazing isn't it? Considdering all, well most anyway, guitarists are egomaniacs. Apart from me offcourse.
Me neither, but I'm fantastic in every other way.
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It's a great forum full of sound people I like gingataffs pub analogy
For me this place is a bit like a pub, somewhere to meet your mates
I'm fairly new but everyone here has alot of personality and there's many great players judging from that Sub Forum! :D
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No doubt about it: this is the friendliest forum I'e been on.
Its a sort of minimalist goverment self-regulating community :lol:
I've seen a couple of people get riled up over something or other, but generally the regular members jump in and politely inform the hothead that we dont do things like that round here, and to be nice. Mods (all three of them!!!) have to step in so much less often than anywhere else, and then its usually just for the honest mistake of posting in the wrong room.
Compare to harmony central, UG or any gaming forum where trolling is a daily occurance, many regulars hate each other and many posts are willfully antagonistic....this is a very peacefull, gentlemanly environment.
Even the discussions I've seen and been in here where people really feel strongly have been civil and reasonable.
Its almost people act here like they would act face to face. For a forum thats a pretty big achievment!
Edit:
http://www.videojug.com/tag/videojug-film-review#69ab804d-9b3c-714c-30d7-ff0008ca4067
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Its almost people act here like they would act face to face. For a forum thats a pretty big achievment!
Face to face I'm much less eloquent and swear a lot more, but you have more time to think about how to express yourself when it's in writing. So there's no need to be rude unless you're deliberately setting out to do it.
:idea: I suppose you could adopt a completely different personality and even invent a glamorous imaginary life for yourself. Maybe some people do? Wish I'd thought of it sooner.
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I'm pretty much the same in here as I am in person, a stupid git! :lol:
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I'm far more glamorous in person... :wink:
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I am slimmer here than I am in "real life".
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I am only 23..really!
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Alright, alright!
Of course there are differences.
I mean people here tend to be pretty much as civil, good-humoured and reasonable as in face to face conversation. A rarity for a forum.
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^ i agree.
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No doubt about it: this is the friendliest forum I'e been on.
Its a sort of minimalist goverment self-regulating community :lol:
I've seen a couple of people get riled up over something or other, but generally the regular members jump in and politely inform the hothead that we dont do things like that round here, and to be nice. Mods (all three of them!!!) have to step in so much less often than anywhere else, and then its usually just for the honest mistake of posting in the wrong room.
Compare to harmony central, UG or any gaming forum where trolling is a daily occurance, many regulars hate each other and many posts are willfully antagonistic....this is a very peacefull, gentlemanly environment.
Even the discussions I've seen and been in here where people really feel strongly have been civil and reasonable.
Its almost people act here like they would act face to face. For a forum thats a pretty big achievment!
Edit:
http://www.videojug.com/tag/videojug-film-review#69ab804d-9b3c-714c-30d7-ff0008ca4067
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I LOVED that link!!!
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I don't know, MrBump. I thought that some of what the guy was saying was a bit over generalised.
For example my brand loyalty to Maverick because of the build quality and the control system could well be seen as fanboyism but I have never rubbished any other manufacturer bar Vintage (specifically the Metal Axxe Razer model as mine was such a poor guitar and wore out very quickly due to cheap materials). I also recommend Orange amps a lot but mainly because they are the only decent amps I've had any real experience with (and that experience is fairly limited) and I like the sound and aesthetics over Marshalls, or MESAs as they kind of fill in the half-way point (Orange distortion having the lower-mid clout of the MESAs but the intuitiveness and articulation of the Marshalls and even the sombre darkness of a Vox AC class in the cleans).
Also, is our loyalty to BKP fanboyism? We rarely, if ever, name other manufacturers as being of equivalent quality (surely there has to be some old bloke in a shed doing stuff which is just as good, if not better...) or even better choices for certain sounds (however, on a manufacturer's forum this is understandable).
Sorry, that was almost philosophy :oops: .
Anyway; it is pretty cosy over here.
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Also, is our loyalty to BKP fanboyism?
That's a tough one, and I've often wondered if I've become a BKP fanboy. The truth is that if I buy a guitar the chances are that I'm going to put BKP's in it without a second thought.
Now that's because so far I've had several BKP's (well Sue has) and they've all been great, and I have no particular wish to spend a load of cash on another brand as an experiment, I trust BKP now, and feel that while I may choose the wrong one, there are no bad ones.
To anyone that hasn't tried a BKP (and probably some that have) I'd look like a fan boy. I'm not, I'll only stay loyal to BKP while they make excellent pups (sorry Tim), but while they do I'll praise them to anyone who cares.
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I don't think that we're ALL fanboys here - a number of posters will mention other PUPs favourably, SD's, DiMarzios etc (although, strangely, not too many positive comments about EMGs...)
But yeah - it's a BKP site, and so is bound to have a bias towards them. So, like I said in an earlier post, there's no real competition. But maybe that will all change when Tim finally takes over the world...
Mark.
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I don't think that we're ALL fanboys here - a number of posters will mention other PUPs favourably, SD's, DiMarzios etc (although, strangely, not too many positive comments about EMGs...)
Funnily enough, here's some praise for EMGs... from Mr Mills himself! :P :
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7030&highlight=emg
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I don't think that we're ALL fanboys here - a number of posters will mention other PUPs favourably, SD's, DiMarzios etc (although, strangely, not too many positive comments about EMGs...)
But yeah - it's a BKP site, and so is bound to have a bias towards them. So, like I said in an earlier post, there's no real competition. But maybe that will all change when Tim finally takes over the world...
Mark.
Oh, I like other pickups. EMG, Swinshead and kent armstorng come to mind.
But I like BKs the most.
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I'm probably a bit of a tw@t on the internet but I suppose thats better than me being a tw@t in person :lol:
yep. pretty much. yep.
i love you really
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I have a variety of pickups in my guitars, from stock ones to a few from replacement manufacturers (mainly BKP, but others too). I go with what sounds good in that particular guitar. I've actually sold BKPs that I've bought brand new, fitted them to the guitar I bought them for and then not liked the result. That even includes buying a set of Mules for one particular Les Paul and not liking the tone :o
I think that means I'm not just a blind Fanboy?
I'll just go with Tone Hound ;)
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I have a variety of pickups in my guitars, from stock ones to a few from replacement manufacturers (mainly BKP, but others too). I go with what sounds good in that particular guitar. I've actually sold BKPs that I've bought brand new, fitted them to the guitar I bought them for and then not liked the result. That even includes buying a set of Mules for one particular Les Paul and not liking the tone :o
I think that means I'm not just a blind Fanboy?
Yep, you're not a blind fanboy :wink: !
I've also bought BKPs and not had quite the result I was expecting. I don't think there was anything "wrong" with the pickups, they just weren't the right choices for those particular guitars.
For the record, I've got BKPs, DiMarzios, Duncans, Kinmans, some stock Fenders, a Joe Barden and a Jason Lollar; I've had EMGs but probably won't buy them again. Some will be replaced in due course, others aren't going anywhere.
The difference now is that when I'm looking for new pickups, BKP is my first port of call - not necessarily the last though.