Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: hunter on March 14, 2008, 04:06:43 PM
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Not only have they reworked their website for the first time in 100 years, they also launched a new lower price range it seems
http://www.bogneramplification.com/
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Noooo I had just decided on a Martamp Plexi clone.... and then Bogner brings out an amp I can actually afford. :(
Video of it here:
http://fr.audiofanzine.com/videos/index,action,play,id_video,205,idmarque,0.html
EDIT: 1000 euros!
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thats a horrible wig.
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That didn't really sound any better than any other low-price tube amp out there. €1000 is still too much to pay for an amp I think. An example is that Vai played expensive Bogners before he got the Legacy and his tone is only marginally different now, most of which is probably down to tweaking. Maybe it's just me that doesn't get it.
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That didn't really sound any better than any other low-price tube amp out there. €1000 is still too much to pay for an amp I think. An example is that Vai played expensive Bogners before he got the Legacy and his tone is only marginally different now, most of which is probably down to tweaking. Maybe it's just me that doesn't get it.
Well depends what you mean by "other low-price tube amp out there" really I guess. It sounds fantastic to me!
What makes you say 1000 euros is too much for an amp- (do you mean amps in general?)
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That didn't really sound any better than any other low-price tube amp out there. €1000 is still too much to pay for an amp I think. An example is that Vai played expensive Bogners before he got the Legacy and his tone is only marginally different now, most of which is probably down to tweaking. Maybe it's just me that doesn't get it.
I don't even know how much he uses the Legacies.
I know he uses Bogners, Cornfords and Marshalls alot...
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better video here
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VJKAaWmyEqQ
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better video here
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VJKAaWmyEqQ
Awesome!
Personally I think it sounds bloody lovely!
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better video here
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VJKAaWmyEqQ
Awesome!
Personally I think it sounds bloody lovely!
+1.
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very interesting amp. Lots of different tones out of it too.
I'd guess it's PCB construction, made in China (in the Line6 factory maybe ?), to achieve that price. That's not necessarily a bad thing. We'll just have to wait and see what the build quality and reliability is on them.
I don't like the inbuilt digital reverb and delay. it just seems tacky to me - very "Line6". More to go wrong, more to interfere with the tone. I would much, much rather have a decent effects loop (I wonder if it even has one ?).
generally, quite an exciting new amp though.
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Ditto for being less keen on built in fx.
I think it looks and sounds pretty cool though. I love the head + 2x12 format - very car friendly!
..and now I got a strange hankering after a tele...
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Apparently the FX can be disengaged from the amp or something...? Something like true bypass for internal effects... they're separate from the rest of the amp... (I think). Can't even remember where I read that now. :oops:
And yeah, that will probably come from Bogners collaboration with Line 6!
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Like Hamfist, I don't like the built in effects either. Lots of delay used in the demo too :(
It sounds very average to me? Like a Line 6 Fender model.......
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very hard to tell from that video clip - many of the settings sounded the same. I think it'll be a nice amp in person.
now we see what Reinhold got from the deal with Line6 - access to their modelling technology (hence the inbuilt effects)
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1,000 pounds is hardly low priced, and who knows how much it will cost on the Euro and American markets. Too much to pay for that amp in my opinion. Affordable is not the word that comes to mind.
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1,000 pounds is hardly low priced, and who knows how much it will cost on the Euro and American markets. Too much to pay for that amp in my opinion. Affordable is not the word that comes to mind.
1000 euros.. Not pounds... In pounds that's about £770.
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1,000 pounds is hardly low priced, and who knows how much it will cost on the Euro and American markets. Too much to pay for that amp in my opinion. Affordable is not the word that comes to mind.
he said 1,000 EUR, which usually translates into 1,000 US$ in the US market. For a 2-Channel full tube Bogner amp with switchable boost, loop as well as integrated digital FX (no obligation to use them) I think it's pretty fair.
I'd expect the parts and craftmanship superior to average Peavey or Bugera stuff.
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On paper it seems almost like a direct ENGL Screamer competitor:
-2 Channels- squeaky clean ---> quite a decent amount of gain
-Both channels with a boost to effectively turn it into a 4 channel:
-Clean---> Clean crunch ---> Crunch ---> Lead/Heavy gain
-Effects loop, reverb + big footswitch for all the channel/boosts.
-£700 ish. Comes in a combo and a head + 2x12.
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Didn't seem to have as much gain as a screamer.
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True that. I wonder how much it actually has on tap?
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Didn't seem to have as much gain as a screamer.
typical Bogner, he keeps his gain in ranges where it stays dynamic and responsive, well at least on the ones I played (Shiva, XTC Classic, Metropolis
, Duende)
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Can't forget the Uberschall though!!! :)
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Can't forget the Uberschall though!!! :)
well, that's the one I have not played :(
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Judging from the youtube clip, I didn't find it that impressive.
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Judging from the youtube clip, I didn't find it that impressive.
Reinhold Bogner surely also isn't an as good player as for example Steve Dawson, the designer of the VintageModern (and Hendrix Reissue) amp at Marshall
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3vOK7G4UYhU
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yes, they are made in the line6 factory in china
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Judging from the youtube clip, I didn't find it that impressive.
Reinhold Bogner surely also isn't an as good player as for example Steve Dawson, the designer of the VintageModern (and Hendrix Reissue) amp at Marshall
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3vOK7G4UYhU
Steve Dawson is, well, 'was' a local bloke - I was really happy to see him get the job at Marshall. Plus, it means I get more local repair jobs (lmao) :lol:
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Can't say I was blown away by the Bogner to be honest. I guess a Youtube demo, recorded at a music show on video camera mic is never going to unleash the full potential of an amp. Still, I'm underwhelmed. It didn't sound bad, just not as good as I expected when I saw the Bogner name. Like others here though, I'm not mad about the onboard effects - seems a bit gimmicky.
Also, what in the hell has Reinhold Bogner got on his head in those clips? :wink:
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Judging from the youtube clip, I didn't find it that impressive.
Reinhold Bogner surely also isn't an as good player as for example Steve Dawson, the designer of the VintageModern (and Hendrix Reissue) amp at Marshall
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3vOK7G4UYhU
Steve Dawson is, well, 'was' a local bloke - I was really happy to see him get the job at Marshall. Plus, it means I get more local repair jobs (lmao) :lol:
Ahh really, did you apply, too? :wink:
But Steve is great, he spends a lot of time with VM fans over in the vintagemodern forum. Guess nowadays that's kinda to be expected, but unfortunately isn't usual at all. So that a presumably old school guy like Steve does this deserves some applause :D
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thats a horrible wig.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
LMAO YES!!!
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Just for info, rrp's for the UK market.
"Bogner Amplification Alchemist 112 MSRP: £786.08
Bogner Amplification Alchemist HD MSRP: £668.58
Bogner Amplification Alchemist 212 MSRP: £868.00
Bogner Amplification Alchemist 212 V (CAB) MSRP: £398.33 "
That head could be tempting me.
oh, and for the US :-
"Bogner Cali 112 40 watt 1x12 - MAP $999.99
Bogner Cali 212 40 watt 2x12 - MAP $1099.99
Bogner Cali 40 watt head - MAP $899.99
Bogner Plexi 100 watt head - MAP $1099.99 "
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Hmmm... that makes the 2x12 very tempting...
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EEEEEEEEEK Good prices! :o
If that isn't an intentional Screamer-contender then I don't know what is... price points are so similar.
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What are these Cali and Plexi things? Never heard of 'em, is there info on the web somewhere?
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What are these Cali and Plexi things? Never heard of 'em, is there info on the web somewhere?
The Cali and Plexi and just the individual amp names of the amps in the Alchemist series.
Info at http://www.bogneramplification.com/index_alchemist.html
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I can't say I've ever been a fan of Bogners and this one is no exception (based only on the vids, mind). The major low point for me is the built-in effects. I guess this stems from being totally sold on the "less is more" approach to amps, e.g. one channel, no effects etc.
Personally, I think it would've been better to ditch the effects and lower the price a bit. These are always points that let amps down - reverb, delay - as everyone likes different variations on those effects.
Aside from all this, its kind of hard to get excited about a product that differs very little to other, similar-priced amps on the market.