Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Dave_the_rave on March 15, 2008, 05:19:41 PM
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Call me stupid guys, but, a thought; What if Tim designed an 'active', battery powered pickup, ala EMG's or the SD Blackout? Call me an idiot if he's already done it, please do, but as far as I'm aware he hasn't and I know I'd replace the EMG in the RR24 I'm getting with an active BKP instantly. I mean, something with that much gain and BKP tone? Surely some of you must have ruined the carpet a LITTLE with that thought
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That would go against the very spirit of Tim's designs for the company.
Anyway, a ceramic warpig outputs about the same as an EMG anyway; if you wanted more you could just use a boost pedal (like I do).
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the point was that it would be an all new design, that Tim would want to make, not a copy of an EMG. its called a hypothetical situation -_-
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it would first of all mean getting someone to design and build the minature pre-amp that needs to go inside the pickup for it to be an active pickup
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ceramic warpig is your answer
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Tim just doesn't like active pickups I don't think.
I agree though; that shouldn't mean that he should outright refuse to offer them - there's definitely demand.
However, BKP is very well known for offering passive alternatives to existing active pickups, that sound BETTER.
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I believe he is still in the short run with his latest models. And shouldn't update with new ones. Rather improve on the existing ones.
I like the idea though, it has been floating about this 'active pickup' talk. Ultimately it's up to Tim, and it doesn't seem likely.
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I believe he is still in the short run with his latest models. And shouldn't update with new ones. Rather improve on the existing ones.
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Jonny, what do you mean when you say "in the short run with his latest models"?
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I believe he is still in the short run with his latest models. And shouldn't update with new ones. Rather improve on the existing ones.
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Jonny, what do you mean when you say "in the short run with his latest models"?
It's an economical term.
Short run - an abstract period of time in there is at least one fixed factor (i.e. capital) and the rest are variable.
In other words, he's not at the stage where he can do much to increase such and such. But I might just be talking out of my ass to be honest.
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ceramic warpig is your answer
again, missing the point - im not looking for an EMG like sound - that was never the point of this thread. the point was a 'what if' scenario
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the CWP doesnt at all sound like an EMG... it eats the EMG then spits it out :twisted:
point is.. Tim doesnt want to stray away from traditional ways of making pickups. he doesnt even make single coil sized buckers.
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the CWP doesnt at all sound like an EMG... it eats the EMG then spits it out Twisted Evil :evil:
goes without saying my good man. well obv tim will stick and should stick to what he wants to do. Point is -if Tim were to make active pickups, how awesome would that be! :twisted:
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An active BKP with enough gain to actually be worth it would have to have over the 23k that the cpig has... And that much gain is overkill and would sound like compressed arse.
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an interesting point. still, it seems if i were to replace the emg-81 in the RR24 i'm getting, with say a Painkiller, (of which im seriously considering ^^), i'd have a wasted battery box on the back :P still ,suppose its a place to hold picks :D
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an interesting point. still, it seems if i were to replace the emg-81 in the RR24 i'm getting, with say a Painkiller, (of which im seriously considering ^^), i'd have a wasted battery box on the back :P still ,suppose its a place to hold picks :D
you could use it to house power for a booster circuit within the guitar activated by a push/pull pot, hence converting your painkiller to an 'active' without losing the signature tone of the BKPs.
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yeah but going back to the aforementioned point - with the high output on the majority of modern rocky/metally aimed pickups, aka PK's, WP's etc, what would be the point?
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I think you answered yourself, what would be the point?
The only other advantage of active beside gain is they are low impedance. So just run an EMG Pa2 always on @ unity gain with any BKP and you have your low impedance.
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yeah but going back to the aforementioned point - with the high output on the majority of modern rocky/metally aimed pickups, aka PK's, WP's etc, what would be the point?
You wouldn't need an outboard unit.
For example I use a boss SD-1 in front of my amp maxed out to provide a boost.
If I had that within my guitar I would have no need of the pedal and could also have other guitars set up with different circuits and reducing the number of outboard pedals I would have to carry.
I wouldn't bother though; it was just an alternative to a whole new pickup design that Tim might well, within his rights as proprietor of the company and chief winder, have outright refused to do for you.
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i love how people get all worked up on hypothetics :P - yeah if i were to do anything to that rr24 it would be to put in a PK rather than the EMG-81, but i think as its there i may as well use it. just need to figure something else to put the PK into :P
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an interesting point. still, it seems if i were to replace the emg-81 in the RR24 i'm getting, with say a Painkiller, (of which im seriously considering ^^), i'd have a wasted battery box on the back :P still ,suppose its a place to hold picks :D
you could use it to house power for a booster circuit within the guitar activated by a push/pull pot, hence converting your painkiller to an 'active' without losing the signature tone of the BKPs.
Pretty sure EMG also offer a gain boost that can be installed on your axe and activated via a switch, don't know how good it sounds or how well it would work with BKPs though.
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or what the point would be :P
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i love how people get all worked up on hypothetics :P - yeah if i were to do anything to that rr24 it would be to put in a PK rather than the EMG-81, but i think as its there i may as well use it. just need to figure something else to put the PK into :P
One of those RR24's came in to my shop the other day for a customer, if I were to do anything to it it would be sell it and buy a guitar that doesn't play like a raft.
If you've played and like it fair dos, but I know a huge number of them have been ordered and paid for unseen, if that's you, have a serious think mate, THE worst playing RR model I've ever played, just a horrid, odd contoured neck.
It's not a "It's just not for me" situation, I don't often get guitars in that I like particularly, but it's pretty unusual for me to get a guitar in that I think, holy shite, this is terrible :lol:
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well i think it would be better than the RR10XD i have :P besides its the best guitar for me that fits my budget of about 700
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dammit you've got me looking at alternatives now, and i like the rhoads v :'( more so a rhoads v with a decent fr trem and 24 frets :(
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By coincidence I was looking through Steve Stevens interviews on the net today, to find out about his string gauge choice. In one interview he said that he thought the Nailbomb was the nearest thing he had heard to a higher quality version of an EMG active pickup.
My own feeling about 'new' designs for BKP pickups is haven't we got enough flexibilty and tonal range already ?
( P.S. Steve Stevens uses a E.B 10-52 on all his guitars) :)
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My own feeling about 'new' designs for BKP pickups is haven't we got enough flexibilty and tonal range already ?
too true, by far ^^