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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: gwEm on April 07, 2008, 09:33:51 AM
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i was discussing this with my drummer and our girlfriends over the weekend. if you think about what selling your soul means, its a very difficult question. my initial answer was yes, but i'm not so sure now.
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I'd have to say no. Your soul is your personality, and I wouldn't change mine as I'm happy as I am.
I'd love to be a rock star though ;)
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Perhaps, depends on what you mean by sell your soul.
:wink:
I would, however, work through incredible hardship, sacrifice (apart from my girlfriend and happiness) in order to become famous.
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Not a bloody chance.
After having a short part in the music press world i can see what a friend once told me, being famous is not what it used to be, it's now just an utter pain in the ass!
If i could sell my soul and have it so i made rock star fame in the late 60's/70's/early 80's... then maybe!
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I wouldn't sell anything to be percieved as a 'Star' .
My love is for the the music itself - and the pleasure that it brings on a daily basis.
It must be no co-incidence that many of my own 'heroes' are content to work as session musicians . People like Steve Cropper, Larry Carlton, Marc Ribot and Snowy White.
There are also so many others known not by name, but by the aptness of what they contributed. Think of the guitar solos in Maria Muldhar's " Midnight At The Oasis" - The Carpenter's " Goodbye To Love" . Think of folk like Tim Renwick who doubled up with Dave Gilmour during the 'Pulse' tour, Andy Fairthweather-Low who does the rounds with Roger Waters or Jennifer Batten who plays for Micheal Jackson.
To love the art in oneself, instead of one's self in the art. :)
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Wouldn't sell my soul under any circumstances. Not that I actually believe in the concept of a soul, in the religious sense.
And from my old man perspective, I wouldn't want to be a rock star either. The broken relationships. The tedium of life on the road. Success and status gradually slipping away while you desperately try to cling on to fading youth and past glories.... (look at the likes of Ratt and Warrant :roll: )
But Adam.M makes a good point - if it was 1969 and I was 20 years old, then yes, I would love to be a rock star. At the cost of my "soul"... maybe not.
(Note: I wasn't 20 years old in 1969. I just think that would have been the best time to be around - at the right age. Imagine being a contemporary of Jimmy Page, Ritchie Blackmore, Leslie West, Paul Kossoff... :D )
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There are also so many others known not by name, but by the aptness of what they contributed. Think of the guitar solos in Maria Muldhar's " Midnight At The Oasis" - The Carpenter's " Goodbye To Love" .
Amos Garrett and Tony Peluso respectively, I think? I didn't bother to check, so hope those are right! :wink:
Good point, Derek. Being a jobbing muso rather than a rock star - a Tim Renwick (or Guy Pratt, perhaps) - has a lot of appeal. You could have fun playing music and make a decent living but still have a relatively normal life - without the pressures of business or creative responsibilty, and without the negative aspects of being famous.
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Where can I sign?
But if it means I have to play music I don't like there's no deal.
If it means I have a contract with a guy called Scratch and I have to challenge Steve Vai (with my talent given by the devil) to get my soul back; BRING IT ON!
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Good point, Derek. Being a jobbing muso rather than a rock star - a Tim Renwick (or Guy Pratt, perhaps) - has a lot of appeal. You could have fun playing music and make a decent living but still have a relatively normal life - without the pressures of business or creative responsibilty, and without the negative aspects of being famous.
From that statement I guess you havn't read Guy Pratts book
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I've always said, I'd be happy to live off money made from music - not as an uber famous rockstar - just at the point where I didn't need a "real job".
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Not a bloody chance.
If i could sell my soul and have it so i made rock star fame in the late 60's/70's/early 80's... then maybe!
+1
20-35 years ago and with a good manager then maybe
These days no way - there doesn't even seem to be a career path in todays climate- maybe that will change in the next 10 years but I feel that music is going through a really rough time
Prediction : record labels & artists will go back to vinyl - harder to copy & download. (Glad I kept my record player!)
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From that statement I guess you havn't read Guy Pratts book
No, I have - in fact I have a signed copy! :)
It's true, he has had a rockstarish life, particularly the substance abuse and hanging out with celebrities. But he was nearly always a hired hand, so he never had to worry about the financial risks, nor deal with the pressure of following up a successful album - which left him free to act like a big kid for 25 years, I suppose.
But he did it all without ever actually being famous, as such. And now that he's calmed down a bit he can walk down the street without being hassled or photographed.
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From that statement I guess you havn't read Guy Pratts book
No, I have - in fact I have a signed copy! :)
It's true, he has had a rockstarish life, particularly the substance abuse and hanging out with celebrities. But he was nearly always a hired hand, so he never had to worry about the financial risks, nor deal with the pressure of following up a successful album - which left him free to act like a big kid for 25 years, I suppose.
But he did it all without ever actually being famous, as such. And now that he's calmed down a bit he can walk down the street without being hassled or photographed.
Heh I suppose he did get all the fun bits, and that may have allowed him to calm down in recent years (dread to think what would have happened if he had been in Gilmours position :roll: )
For the original question probably not though I may have sold somebody elses sould to be a 'successful artist' despite the lack of any evidence for the existance of the soul.
As an aside Tim Renwick was in quite a few bands that never quite made it, and also played guitar for Al Stewart for quite some time.
Most people may know him from the house band on Jonatan Ross show (channel 4 in the early 1990)
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As an aside Tim Renwick was in quite a few bands that never quite made it, and also played guitar for Al Stewart for quite some time.
Most people may know him from the house band on Jonatan Ross show (channel 4 in the early 1990)
I always remember him for his Inca Silver Strats with colour-matched headstocks! I've always thought rosewood-board Strats look better with painted headstocks (sunbursts excepted).
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Prediction : record labels & artists will go back to vinyl - harder to copy & download. (Glad I kept my record player!)
Hmmm, that's actually a good idea!
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Here in Mississippi, lots of people have tried after Robert Johnson death to sell their souls, but of lately the Internet has made it so cheap and easy.... that there are no takers. Better trade a bicycle or something for playing like nobodyelse...!
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Given the fact that I don't believe in soul (except the james brown type), then yeah, hell I'd sell it for a packet of crisps.
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I doubt I'd want it full stop, let alone have to sell my soul to get it...
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Does this include selling shares in one's soul on the stock market whilst retaining the controlling share for yourself?
If so I'm actually tempted... :wink:
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I wouldn't want fame -the money would be nice though. I have been in the company of some famous people and I don't think I could live that life. The ideal for me would be to be in a reasonably successful band where you can earn a good living but you could also get away from it all.
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With you there 38th.
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I tried selling my soul on Ebay once.
Didn't have much luck, what with the strong pound against the dollar (everyone KNOWS that the devil likes to hang around at crossroads in the American Deep South...)
So I ended up giving it away to a nice young woman I met online for a packet of Wine Gums and a BJ...
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Hell, that's not a bad deal. Can't beat a good pack o' wine gums...
(there's a sub joke involving both things, that possibly only works in my accent/dialect)
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Prediction : record labels & artists will go back to vinyl - harder to copy & download. (Glad I kept my record player!)
Hmmm, that's actually a good idea!
In that case, I'll be getting one of those Lenco record players with a USB plug.
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No I wouldn't, but if I could sell someone else's that would be fine...
.. oh, and as long as I don't have to shred, I hate that.
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Gwem! You've played Blip Festival alongside Sabrepulse, Nullsleep, Virt, Bitshifter etc. You ARE a rockstar as far as I'm concerned.
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Given the fact that I don't believe in soul (except the james brown type), then yeah, hell I'd sell it for a packet of crisps.
well, seeing as some people value souls quite highly, I'd rather trade it for something of value... rockstardom sounds good.
In Addition, I'd like a 100% tolerance to all drugs, and a Bentley with diplomatic immunity.
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Given the fact that I don't believe in soul (except the james brown type), then yeah, hell I'd sell it for a packet of crisps.
well, seeing as some people value souls quite highly, I'd rather trade it for something of value... rockstardom sounds good.
In Addition, I'd like a 100% tolerance to all drugs, and a Bentley with diplomatic immunity.
meaning that you can't get high and are constantly beaten by a toffee nosed public schoolboy?
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why does anyone have to sell thier soul to become a rock star?
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why does anyone have to sell thier soul to become a rock star?
Because they're talentless and unimaginative, duh.
I'm in!
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In Addition, I'd like a 100% tolerance to all drugs, and a Bentley with diplomatic immunity.
I would like a 0%. It would be a lot cheaper :lol:
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why does anyone have to sell thier soul to become a rock star?
Other options might be worse.
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Gwem! You've played Blip Festival alongside Sabrepulse, Nullsleep, Virt, Bitshifter etc. You ARE a rockstar as far as I'm concerned.
sh!t indy, i can't believe anyone here knows about the 8bit scene... well, i'm still far from being a rock star - just ask feline or phil about my playing "skillz" :lol: also, too few gigs. my rock star idol is KK Downing from Judas Priest, I'll never get that far with 8bit music.
great to hear about everyones rock star for soul deal conditions. i think its safe to assume you could ask to be a rock star in your own terms, but obviously you would be evil, spend alot of time in hell, be the servant of satan etc etc - if those things are even possible. perhaps selling your soul these days just involves working for the man or trading your music principals for MTV.
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In the literal biblical sense meaning satan prodding you in the ass with a flaming spiked baseball bat for all eternity then no. But in the metaphorical sense of violating your morals/principles then yeah I think I probably would (if I hadn't sold it for something else). I don't think the world we live in allows you not to.
I also don't think you can be any kind of artist (regardless of success), without at least grappling with the idea of selling your soul.
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In the literal biblical sense meaning satan prodding you in the ass with a flaming spiked baseball bat for all eternity then no. But in the metaphorical sense of violating your morals/principles then yeah I think I probably would (if I hadn't sold it for something else). I don't think the world we live in allows you not to.
I also don't think you can be any kind of artist (regardless of success), without at least grappling with the idea of selling your soul.
I disagree, as I am not sure music and the soul is even connected. I'd prefere someone to be un-sinciere, seeing as most artists take themselves so seriously these days it makes them look annoying, for example Mcfly or Busted. I prefer Slipnot or Zappa anyday. lol Besides what evidence is there that satan even exists?
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I disagree, as I am not sure music and the soul is even connected. I'd prefere someone to be un-sinciere, seeing as most artists take themselves so seriously these days it makes them look annoying, for example Mcfly or Busted. I prefer Slipnot or Zappa anyday. lol Besides what evidence is there that satan even exists?
McFly and Busted are. :evil:
And Satan evidently runs a record company; listen to the stuff that gets pushed onto you and compare it to the stuff you barely hear about.
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Besides what evidence is there that satan even exists?
Haven't got kids have you :lol:
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In the literal biblical sense meaning satan prodding you in the ass with a flaming spiked baseball bat for all eternity then no. But in the metaphorical sense of violating your morals/principles then yeah I think I probably would (if I hadn't sold it for something else). I don't think the world we live in allows you not to.
I also don't think you can be any kind of artist (regardless of success), without at least grappling with the idea of selling your soul.
Just to add a vaguely academic note, the old "fire and brimstone" vision of hell isn't Biblical - it came much later, mostly as a result of popular media of the time and the Catholic church, including what became known as the Spanish Inquisition.
Que Monty Python quotes!!!
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Besides what evidence is there that satan even exists?
Haven't got kids have you :lol:
+1,000,000
:oops:
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[...including what became known as the Spanish Inquisition.
Que Monty Python quotes!!!
I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition!