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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: TwilightOdyssey on April 08, 2008, 04:23:49 PM
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http://www.theonion.com/content/node/77234
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:lol:
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Ouch!
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God that guy was a tw@t. I'm not sorry to see him go.
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I think I know where he is, promoting gun sales in areas where school kids got SHOT probably won't sit too well with god, or whoever the hell it is that's in charge.
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Pretty funny, but being a senile NRA nutter wasn't all he did in his life.
I'd rather remember him as a good actor who appeared in some great movies.
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Pretty funny, but being a senile NRA nutter wasn't all he did in his life.
I'd rather remember him as a good actor who appeared in some great movies.
Well said!
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Pretty funny, but being a senile NRA nutter wasn't all he did in his life.
I'd rather remember him as a good actor who appeared in some great movies.
I'd rather remember Hitler for the lovely paintings he did.
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I'd rather remember him as a good actor who appeared in some great movies.
+1
For a second I thought I'd stumbled into the BBC website to read the deranged vitriolic drivel that's been posted by others in this thread :roll:
God that guy was a tw@t. I'm not sorry to see him go.
Those in glass houses... ;)
I'd rather remember Hitler for the lovely paintings he did.
Oh come off it you moron - pinning every gun murder in the US on the president of the NRA is stretching it. Comparing the NRA to Hitler is so absurd as to be borderline pathalogical... :lol:
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the man was just of a different age is all, my grandparents have similar views to his and as much as you try and enlighten them they dont really show any signs of changing
It doesnt have to write of the good things he did do.. i mean - that cameo in waynes world 2... the mans a legend! :wink:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bI6IlXfUdPE
yeah, he came over badly in moores documentary. But personally i saw an old confused man that may not quite have caught up with the modern world.. Figurehead of the NRA but certainly not making the important decisions
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Pretty funny, but being a senile NRA nutter wasn't all he did in his life.
I'd rather remember him as a good actor who appeared in some great movies.
I'd rather remember Hitler for the lovely paintings he did.
Actually, by all accounts, he wasn't that bad an artist... The problem with his pictures being that he signed them. :)
If I had a time machine I'd swap him for Tracy Emin anyday... :)
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I'd rather remember him as a good actor who appeared in some great movies.
+1
not to mention, banning guns because some people use them to commit crimes is a bit like banning cars because some people joyride (don't get me wrong, i have no problem with "control", but if you have no psychological/criminal record, you should be able to get one after a thorough check of your records).
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I'd rather remember Hitler for the lovely paintings he did.
Oh come off it you moron - pinning every gun murder in the US on the president of the NRA is stretching it. Comparing the NRA to Hitler is so absurd as to be borderline pathalogical... :lol:
It's an extreme example, but one I think holds water. I don't think you can overlook something which I at least find morally abhorrent just because he did some stuff that was good too.
Being, in my opinion, a right wing imbecile who's lobbying quite specifically did not help prevent hundreds of deaths because he was more concerned about getting to shoot tin cans off walls than human life overrides, I'm afraid, being in some good pictures.
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He can't be held responsible for a continent full of trigger happy lunatics! :lol:
What the Micheal Moore film also pointed out was in Canada there are just as many guns in circulation per head as the USA but where's the sky high statistics for gun murder!
Anyway he was good in Ben Herr and Towering Inferno, I mean he even saved that womans cat!
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...who's lobbying quite specifically did not help prevent hundreds of deaths
Actually, it probably prevented a damn sight more deaths. Places that have concealed carry & castle doctrine have drastically lower rates of violent crime than those that don't. What has Chicago's handgun ban given them? One of the highest murder rates in the US.
If you're trying to pin the Colombine deaths on Heston, then I'd suggest that had his lobbying been more successful (i.e. to the extent that the teachers were allowed to carry), then there would have been fewer deaths in that tragic incident.
Bottom line: criminals don't care about laws banning firearms, but they do care about a potential victim shooting back.
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I don't think you can overlook something which I at least find morally abhorrent
Actually, I can quite easily overlook it because it's so wildly illogical & hopelessly ill-informed... :)
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What happened to my fun, slightly irreverent, thread?!!
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What happened to my fun, slightly irreverent, thread?!!
Another sense of humour bypass over this side of the pond!! It's the combination of inconsistent weather and a full moon! :wink:
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I thought he was brilliant in the 1966 world cup final. That comb over hair do didn't do any favours... or am I thinking of the wrong bloke?
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What happened to my fun, slightly irreverent, thread?!!
Another sense of humour bypass over this side of the pond!! It's the combination of inconsistent weather and a full moon! :wink:
To be fair, I don't think death is usually the ideal jumping-off point for a bit of comedy gold...
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What happened to my fun, slightly irreverent, thread?!!
Another sense of humour bypass over this side of the pond!! It's the combination of inconsistent weather and a full moon! :wink:
To be fair, I don't think death is usually the ideal jumping-off point for a bit of comedy gold...
No? Well it depends what mood your in I suppose. There's lots of humour death related that comes from the UK.
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What happened to my fun, slightly irreverent, thread?!!
Another sense of humour bypass over this side of the pond!! It's the combination of inconsistent weather and a full moon! :wink:
To be fair, I don't think death is usually the ideal jumping-off point for a bit of comedy gold...
Worked well in Kind Hearts & Coronets
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...who's lobbying quite specifically did not help prevent hundreds of deaths
Actually, it probably prevented a damn sight more deaths. Places that have concealed carry & castle doctrine have drastically lower rates of violent crime than those that don't. What has Chicago's handgun ban given them? One of the highest murder rates in the US.
If you're trying to pin the Colombine deaths on Heston, then I'd suggest that had his lobbying been more successful (i.e. to the extent that the teachers were allowed to carry), then there would have been fewer deaths in that tragic incident.
Bottom line: criminals don't care about laws banning firearms, but they do care about a potential victim shooting back.
very informed.
From UK to USA, stop watching movies and 'slanted' (politically) news reels. It is NOT the wild west here lol.
Charlton Heston was an icon, movie or NRA still an icon.
As for gun violence. I have a concealed carry permit cos I choose to. I rarely carry though as it's safe area and I do not feel threatened. Gun laws are good (as it's WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY too late to change the American Constitution, with the 'right to bear arms' being originally written in to allow citizens to amass arms to repel invasions, this is after the Brits were kicked out lol) as the 'bad guys' will NEVER give up their 'illegal' gun purchases, so level the playing field and at least allow the same chance to law abiding people.
As for guns being dangerous, read/ask/think/be adult! A firearm is a TOOL no more no less. The user of said tool can use it as a weapon or not. Check alcohol/car/drug deaths in relation to firearms deaths. Also, check figures of crime (mentioned by Antag) where concealed carry has been allowed. Basically get ya facts straight or live IN the situation or shush !
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What happened to my fun, slightly irreverent, thread?!!
Another sense of humour bypass over this side of the pond!! It's the combination of inconsistent weather and a full moon! :wink:
To be fair, I don't think death is usually the ideal jumping-off point for a bit of comedy gold...
Worked well in Kind Hearts & Coronets
Not so well in Weekend at Bernie's. :wink:
But yes, absolutely, death can often be very funny in fiction and even when talking about real people who've been gone a while. But I felt a bit sorry for poor old Charlton Heston being the butt of jokes and the target of so much vitriol before he's even in the ground.
But I wish I hadn't raised the subject of death and comedy, and I'm not terribly interested in the gun control debate - it's one of those subjects that no-one ever seems to change their mind on so discussion is pretty fruitless. I just think it's a shame that Charlton Heston is now best known for being senile, wearing a toupee and being a figurehead (nothing more) for a bunch of people who like guns. No-one's mentioned that in the early '60s this "Hitler equivalent" was an active supporter of the civil rights movement.
He wasn't the greatest actor in the world, he was a bit stiff and humourless, but at his best those qualities were used to his advantage. Just watch the movies - The Big Country, Will Penny, El Cid, Ben-Hur, Major Dundee, Planet of the Apes, The Ten Commandments, Touch of Evil. They're all great, and that's how he should be remembered.
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...who's lobbying quite specifically did not help prevent hundreds of deaths
Actually, it probably prevented a damn sight more deaths. Places that have concealed carry & castle doctrine have drastically lower rates of violent crime than those that don't. What has Chicago's handgun ban given them? One of the highest murder rates in the US.
If you're trying to pin the Colombine deaths on Heston, then I'd suggest that had his lobbying been more successful (i.e. to the extent that the teachers were allowed to carry), then there would have been fewer deaths in that tragic incident.
Are you sure you're not making the effect a cause here?
I've seen this argument before (The area was different, could have been some NY ghetto, but the points were the same), And I thought surely, this is because:
Chicago -> poor (?) -> unemployment -> crime -> shootings -> handgun ban
rather than:
Chicago -> evil liberals impose handgun ban :wink: -> Criminals shoot people because it's become more illegal.
Also, do you really think armed teachers are a good idea? For a start, teachers want to teach, not kill children, no matter how urgent the situation is.
Also, I've seen teachers have mental breakdowns in class. what's to say that someone in the grip of madness won't pull a gun on a student?
I know I've half-contradicted myself, but the situations are different.
I'm not meaning to troll here, I'm just curious.
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I personally just like to remember him as the guy that forgot to take off his wristw@tch when filming the big chariot race in Ben Hur
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What has Chicago's handgun ban given them? One of the highest murder rates in the US.
Are you sure you're not making the effect a cause here?
I've seen this argument before (The area was different, could have been some NY ghetto, but the points where the same), And I thought surely, this is because:
Chicago -> poor (?) -> unemployment -> crime -> shootings -> handgun ban
rather than:
Chicago -> evil liberals impose handgun ban :wink: -> Criminals shoot people because it's become more illegal.
Ah, but you've missed something:
Chicago -> poor (?) -> unemployment -> crime -> shootings -> handgun ban -> more shootings
So it's fair so speculate that either
handgun ban -> the law abiding are defenceless -> more shootings
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handgun ban -> criminals ignore it & continue to shoot people anyway -> more shootings
So whether there has been an undesirable effect or no effect at all, the effect hasn't been the one intended.
No, I don't like the idea of armed teachers either. But I like the idea of someone being able to rampage around school corridors shooting people with nobody able to do anything about it even less.
I'm not meaning to troll here, I'm just curious.
I think I was the one being a troll. Before seeing this thread I'd trawled through 26 pages of nasty/smug/warped BBC-trendy-lefty garbage on this subject so when I came to my favourite site & saw more of same I blew my top a bit :lol: Apologies to nfe for the tone of my reply & to Twilight for jacking the thread...
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I think I was the one being a troll. Before seeing this thread I'd trawled through 26 pages of nasty/smug/warped BBC-trendy-lefty garbage on this subject so when I came to my favourite site & saw more of same I blew my top a bit :lol: Apologies to nfe for the tone of my reply & to Twilight for jacking the thread...
No worries, I'll live :)
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What happened to my fun, slightly irreverent, thread?!!
Another sense of humour bypass over this side of the pond!! It's the combination of inconsistent weather and a full moon! :wink:
To be fair, I don't think death is usually the ideal jumping-off point for a bit of comedy gold...
Worked well in Kind Hearts & Coronets
Not so well in Weekend at Bernie's. :wink:
But yes, absolutely, death can often be very funny in fiction and even when talking about real people who've been gone a while. But I felt a bit sorry for poor old Charlton Heston being the butt of jokes and the target of so much vitriol before he's even in the ground.
I expect you wouldn't want to hear a very crass Patrick Swayze joke then. Bearing in mind the poor sod still hasn't gone. I never made this joke up either, it just turned up, like many do as a text message.
Anyway enough about death and gun laws ect!
Anyone heard birdsong on digital radio yet? Very soothing!
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Ummm... is this thread beyond redemption?
On a similar side note, legislation has just been brought in to prohibit the sale of Samurai swords in the UK.
As a martial artist I train with swords, it's a part of the tradition of what I do. I keep my swords (butterfly, not Samurai) in my garage, next to my bow saw, straight saw, my jigsaw, electric drill and various other weapons of mass destruction. Legislation aside, I know what I'd rather be hit with.
I've never really understood gun posession, but then I'm not American... Looking at the rising gun crime in this country, maybe we can no longer afford to me smug?
Mark.
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Mark,
it is indeed sad times :(
Being British but spending most of last 7 or so years in US I have a better appreciation than many.
The UK is looking at anything 'termed' a weapon as a criminal act (truly who would carry around a Samurai sword, is'nt exactly stealth is it) but then (at least used to be able to) Sikhs are allowed to wear a sword to worship (again, was case, dunno bout now), can we say 'double standard'?!?!?!
I would venture that if violent crime PER CAPITA was studied between the USA and UK then very little difference would be noticed. USA does not have such a thing as an ASBO and I have seen Police/School Police deal with students (with consent) and it aint pretty!
Do we blame society? Do we blame Govt.? I would look more to upbringing and rules/punishment as this seem's sorely lacking these days.
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well sorry for again hijacking the thread, but since we've already gone this far :p
Looking at a few sources about firepower per capita and crime rate, it appears there's no corrolation.
Switzerland has the highest firepower per capita and 1 of the lowest crime rates in the world.
Canada is similarly high in firepower but low profile.
But what I don't get is people saying if teachers had guns these school shootings won't happen or won't be as bad.
Isn't this the same as saying if every country had nukes, then it would prevent nuclear wars between countries? How safe would you feel if this was the case? How safe would you feel if you knew everyone had a gun?
Personally I get nervous when someone like G.W. gets near a nail-clipper.
How about this perspective, if the criminals only had knives then they they couldn't have killed so many people in the same amount of time.
It might sound reasonable but it's still just a rhetoric, just like every other argument you hear all the time.
The debate is always, ban guns, don't ban guns, it never gets to the root of the issue, which is why do people commit crimes in the first place and how to make them not want to do it.
That being said, when you hear stories like these.
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=e9f8bfe8-9047-4230-9fef-9d17af52930d
http://shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=67022
http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2007/nov/10/sk-man-hurts-himself-trying-to-loosen-lug-nut/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334632,00.html
http://www.kmbc.com/news/15701029/detail.html
You really do wish that these $%&#wits only had access to knifes, if they're gonna kill, make them work harder for it, let them stab each other to death without randomly killing innocent people from 20 feet away.
I mean FFS the guy who got kicked out of a club and starts shooting randomly in anger, what a fcking tw@t, and his attorney has the balls to argue that he is well-mannered and from a nice family.
I hope he enjoys the ass-pounding from large black inmates.
that's all I have to say
Sorry for the lengthy rant! :p