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Title: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: gwEm on April 09, 2008, 01:37:26 PM
i've never been charged by royal mail/parcel force for customs ever... until today - 13.28 for a 30 quid item!!

ridiculous. i likely won't complain though, the amount of stuff i've had posted over the years. for example the other week, i had a £150 steinberger body sent - bigish box - no questions asked.

the item is a steinberger leg rest, and probably fits in an a stout envelope. it must be the least likely item ever to be hit with a charge. oh well.

sorry for rant :)
Title: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: WezV on April 09, 2008, 02:24:51 PM
It that random £8 (or £13.50 for express parcels) clearance fee that makes it silly on small items
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Post by: Sifu Ben on April 09, 2008, 02:43:29 PM
Yeah, I just got a bill from Fedex, the customs was what I expected, but they've tagged £17 on! For what must have been all of 5 minutes work on their part. When I've already paid for them to ship it in the first place  :evil:  Why don't they just charge it up front with the shipping? As it is it's like one of the flight price cons that they cracked down on last year.
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Post by: mikeluke on April 09, 2008, 04:18:57 PM
Bad timing for this post.... I am awaiting a guitar from the USA.......

Fingers crossed!
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Post by: ToneMonkey on April 09, 2008, 04:25:37 PM
I've got 2 parcels comming from the US, one has a pair of mini humbuckers in it, the other has a set of steinberger gearless tuners.  Hope they get here alright.  Should have got them both to tape a birthday card to the front.  Don't think they can charge for some things if it's a present.
Title: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: WezV on April 09, 2008, 04:49:11 PM
the admin charges are annoying but easier to swallow on an already expensive parcel. . .   its the repeated admin charges on small items that gets really annoying
Title: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: 7thSon on April 10, 2008, 01:40:42 AM
Somehow I don't think the employees who do the admin get paid £100 an hour! Perhaps it's very stressful work.
Title: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: ToneMonkey on April 10, 2008, 02:43:04 PM
Pickups arrived with no extra charges.  Fingers crossed on the tuners.
Title: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: Sifu Ben on April 11, 2008, 07:49:49 PM
My bill arrived 2 weeks after my guitar.
Title: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: mikeluke on April 12, 2008, 09:12:14 AM
Did the guitar come from the USA? If so, how long did it take to get to you? Mine left Miami on April 5th but no sign of it yet.
Title: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: mikeluke on April 12, 2008, 09:13:07 AM
Ah... just checked - it cleared customs yesterday morning.
Title: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: mikeluke on April 16, 2008, 08:38:46 AM
OK - charges break down for anyone that might be interested:

Guitar plus postage was $613 - which was £318 at PayPal rates.... but that is another story!!

Guy put down $520 for Customs

Charges were

Import Duty - £8.18 = 3%

VAT - £46.19 = 17.5% on the price including postage but excluding the import duty

Parcelforce Clearance Fee = £8.00


So roughly - it will have cost me £380 all in.

Hope this is useful to anyone looking to import a guitar from the USA - will pick it up later and post some pictures
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Post by: Andy RV on April 16, 2008, 01:07:27 PM
I've had 2 guitars from Japan, both with around £150 customs charges on each.  :(
Title: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: HTH AMPS on April 16, 2008, 08:29:29 PM
anything under £36 can be sent as a gift and is therefore exempt from any customs charges.
Title: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: 7thSon on April 16, 2008, 10:30:24 PM
Quote from: mikeluke
OK - charges break down for anyone that might be interested:

Guitar plus postage was $613 - which was £318 at PayPal rates.... but that is another story!!

Guy put down $520 for Customs

Charges were

Import Duty - £8.18 = 3%

VAT - £46.19 = 17.5% on the price including postage but excluding the import duty

Parcelforce Clearance Fee = £8.00


So roughly - it will have cost me £380 all in.

Hope this is useful to anyone looking to import a guitar from the USA - will pick it up later and post some pictures


Why must we pay VAT on postage? That doesn't make sense, especially when import duty is paid also.
Title: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: mikeluke on April 17, 2008, 12:31:55 PM
Because the VAT is applied to landed cost - and no I don't understand the logic either!
Title: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: Philly Q on April 17, 2008, 02:29:48 PM
Quote from: HEAVIER THAN HELL
anything under £36 can be sent as a gift and is therefore exempt from any customs charges.

True, provided the seller is prepared to mark it as a gift.  If it's merchandise, the limit is £18.  

About time they increased those limits, really!
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Post by: ToneMonkey on April 18, 2008, 04:00:26 PM
cr@pola - Got to pick up tuners from post office £13.74 charges on $99 parts  :cry:
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Post by: mikeluke on April 20, 2008, 06:42:22 PM
That is rough - I just got some Grovers from Hong Kong that were under the £36 limit (marked as GIFT) - think that they were about £16 all in though. I am not 100% sure if they are knock-offs or not but you can't fault the quality, even if they are!
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: gwEm on August 15, 2008, 11:21:58 AM
£178.83 strat neck... just got stung for £42.86 :/

not amused

i wonder what strat-egy (boom boom!) i can use to get a warmoth body over here.
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: WezV on August 15, 2008, 11:25:41 AM
i tend to recommend allowing 25% extra to avoid shocks... yours is pretty close to that!!!

expensive strat neck at that price.. anything special about it?
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: indysmith on August 15, 2008, 11:37:12 AM
When I got my Edwards, I got no charges at all apart from Parcelforce charging £15 or something. It was lucky because if they'd have asked for VAT, import duty etc. I wouldn't have had the money to give them :lol:
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: gwEm on August 15, 2008, 11:39:45 AM
i tend to recommend allowing 25% extra to avoid shocks... yours is pretty close to that!!!

expensive strat neck at that price.. anything special about it?

yeah, putting together a parts superstrat, and have made some very unlucky ebay purchases. i'm a bit pissed off byy the whole thing to be honest.

the neck is a fender usa, and the price includes shipping by the way. never the less, its bit too much. it has the nut fitted, which is why i was happy to pay a bit more. also it won't be much effort to fit the tuners. anyway, with the customs charges its a right skank, definately.

but thats not all, i brought a really cheap squier to use the body and some of the parts temporarily. anyway, despite being advertised as agathis (not great i know), i pulled it apart the other day and its fu*king ply! felt like smashing the thing right there. i already found i couldn't use the bridge as it wasn't the through body type. about all i can use from it is the scratchplate, some screws and and the neck plate.

about the only thing i got so far which was good value was the tuners.

i'd better like this thing when its done. don't feel in the slightest bit like buying a body right now after all these fu*kups.
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: WezV on August 15, 2008, 11:47:42 AM
the price is probably fair for a US fender neck - the extra charges are a real shame though

shame about the squier too but you can probably recoup some costs on ebay to go toward a proper body
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Post by: Woogie on August 15, 2008, 11:49:45 AM
If you mark it as a cheap gift and it gets broken then you only get the value you put on it back right?
 
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: WezV on August 15, 2008, 11:54:34 AM
yeah, you are pretty much giving up on any insurance if its been marked down in value... but tbh, most postal insurance is next to useless anyway!!

Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: gwEm on August 15, 2008, 11:55:29 AM
the price is probably fair for a US fender neck - the extra charges are a real shame though

shame about the squier too but you can probably recoup some costs on ebay to go toward a proper body

yeah, the necks probably a fair price to be fair... its certainally the least effort of all the alternatives.

brought that broken tonelab too. ebay's not been treating me very well lately, just feeling a bit negative about it :)

shouldn't be too bitter i suppose, i've had some great buys in the past... even from the US without customs charges.

edit: if only i can find a nice UK-based body..
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: WezV on August 15, 2008, 12:02:46 PM
a few that might not be too bad here, certainly for the price
http://www.axesrus.com/acoustic.htm

That £59 natural ash one looks pretty decent to me

depsite the bad website axesrus are pretty good and the customer service is excellent
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: gwEm on August 15, 2008, 12:04:55 PM
a few that might not be too bad here, certainly for the price
http://www.axesrus.com/acoustic.htm

That £59 natural ash one looks pretty decent to me

depsite the bad website axesrus are pretty good and the customer service is excellent

thanks wez, sort of wanted a hardtail though. listening your previous advice, i suppose it might be nice to get a predrilled one too.
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: ilÿti on August 15, 2008, 12:12:40 PM
Just be glad you don't live in Denmark. I got charged 25% of the total cost. When you include shipping, that means I payed double the ebay price. But oh well, it was worth it.
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: WezV on August 15, 2008, 12:17:01 PM
ah, hardtail ones are much harder to find and is going to push the price up for a decent one, they are just not as readily available.  warmoth or USACG would be a good option but obviously not UK based


tbh if you are trying to build on a budget i would go with a trem and block it off - just because they are so much easier to find
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: gwEm on August 15, 2008, 12:30:51 PM
ah, hardtail ones are much harder to find and is going to push the price up for a decent one, they are just not as readily available.  warmoth or USACG would be a good option but obviously not UK based


tbh if you are trying to build on a budget i would go with a trem and block it off - just because they are so much easier to find

having brought this neck (which had better be amazing now :) ) i feel inclined to wait and do things properly. allparts do a blonde hardtail body for £180, but perhaps then I could go with warmoth and get exactly what i want, since the allparts body will still need routing and drilling.

strange hardtails are so hard to find, i would have thought they'd be a very popular choice.
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Post by: WezV on August 15, 2008, 12:39:47 PM
aha... found it.  have a look here;

http://www.kavanaghcustoms.co.uk/prices.html#bodies

another shoddy website i'm afraid (works better on firefox) but its Uk based, offers hardtails and is pretty cheap
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: gwEm on August 15, 2008, 12:46:32 PM
aha... found it.  have a look here;

http://www.kavanaghcustoms.co.uk/prices.html#bodies

another shoddy website i'm afraid (works better on firefox) but its Uk based, offers hardtails and is pretty cheap

nice one wez!

that does actually look really good. massive divert, but since we're here would you say alder or swamp ash for 70s/80s rock/metal?
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: WezV on August 15, 2008, 12:51:38 PM
i would say heavy ash ;)

i havnt seen any kavanagh stuff so i cant say what it is like - worth checking out though
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Post by: noodleplugerine on August 15, 2008, 01:36:17 PM
aha... found it.  have a look here;

http://www.kavanaghcustoms.co.uk/prices.html#bodies

another shoddy website i'm afraid (works better on firefox) but its Uk based, offers hardtails and is pretty cheap

Spent a bit reading through their site, seem like lovely guys, their guitars look great, and their prices are very good.

That RT thing they do is gorgeous, and they say they do custom builds too.
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: PhilKing on August 15, 2008, 02:08:27 PM
£178.83 strat neck... just got stung for £42.86 :/

not amused

i wonder what strat-egy (boom boom!) i can use to get a warmoth body over here.
send it to me - a shame you didn't with the neck, my brother is here at the moment (but he leaves Monday), he could have brought it for you.  Looks like my next trip will be October
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: gwEm on August 15, 2008, 02:18:22 PM
£178.83 strat neck... just got stung for £42.86 :/

not amused

i wonder what strat-egy (boom boom!) i can use to get a warmoth body over here.
send it to me - a shame you didn't with the neck, my brother is here at the moment (but he leaves Monday), he could have brought it for you.  Looks like my next trip will be October

thanks phil, was thinking of it naturally... thought i'd take a chance, having got away with it in the past with USPS Express and a Heyboer transformer, some DiMarzios and the Steinberger body. not this time though! i'll see what kavanagh say about their bodies before getting in touch with warmoth.
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: Philly Q on August 15, 2008, 02:30:06 PM
£178.83 strat neck... just got stung for £42.86 :/

not amused

i wonder what strat-egy (boom boom!) i can use to get a warmoth body over here.

 :oops: Now I feel guilty for suggesting that eBay shop. 

I did say they always put the true value on the declaration though - I had to pay the  full monty on the neck and two bodies I've ordered from them. 
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: gwEm on August 15, 2008, 02:32:55 PM
£178.83 strat neck... just got stung for £42.86 :/

not amused

i wonder what strat-egy (boom boom!) i can use to get a warmoth body over here.

 :oops: Now I feel guilty for suggesting that eBay shop. 

forget it man ;) i took a risk and knew what the concequences could be.
Title: Re: customs charges - logic?!! wtf...
Post by: WezV on August 15, 2008, 02:51:50 PM
thought i'd take a chance, having got away with it in the past with USPS Express and a Heyboer transformer, some DiMarzios and the Steinberger body. not this time though!

you cant really complain that much can you ;)