Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: AngusYoung01 on May 10, 2008, 09:12:26 PM
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Just wanted to say congratulations to Tim and the guys for getting an entire issue really dedicated about the new pups... it seems every other page has some subliminal message from the writers about how they love 'em :D
So, to BKP's *raises glass*
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Just wanted to say congratulations to Tim and the guys for getting an entire issue really dedicated about the new pups... it seems every other page has some subliminal message from the writers about how they love 'em :D
So, to BKP's *raises glass*
+1 on that. They even said that the price you pay for them is more than worth it! I really need to get myself an LP now just so I can upgrade to PGs!!
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Its bizarre, I don't listen to Green, I have no interest in that style of music, they would be completely impractical for anything I do, they would take a good chunk of my pay check..... but I now want to try them :lol:
Thanks Mick Taylor and co :lol:
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+1
I saw the main article in that issue, can't hurt the BK reputation any :)
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its good because from what i have seen of the radar (guitarist) forum they mainly portray BKP's as an overpriced luxury... for me they have become a necessity
I am happy that the magazine recognises the quality even if certain (pickup making, perhaps???) members of that other forum dont want to admit it
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For someone like me BK's are an expensive luxury, but not overpriced, for a serious player or professional musician I'd say they were a inexpensive necessity.
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It was really great to get such a good review for the PG Blues humbuckers and reflects the amount of work that went into them.
I'm not entirely sure where this 'expensive' thing comes from- a pair of stock Gibson classic 57s are almost £240, if you can get them, likewise SD Antiquities-buying our pickups in sets at £190 works out at £95 each for covered humbuckers which for a totally handmade pickup is not expensive.I believe it's a fair price and reflects the amount of work that's gone into each pickup-also the prices haven't changed in the 5 years we've been trading.
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It was really great to get such a good review for the PG Blues humbuckers and reflects the amount of work that went into them.
I'm not entirely sure where this 'expensive' thing comes from- a pair of stock Gibson classic 57s are almost £240, if you can get them, likewise SD Antiquities-buying our pickups in sets at £190 works out at £95 each for covered humbuckers which for a totally handmade pickup is not expensive.I believe it's a fair price and reflects the amount of work that's gone into each pickup-also the prices haven't changed in the 5 years we've been trading.
It doesn't make sense to me either.
A Seymour Duncan JB is about £60/£65 online, more in shops.
You pay £30 extra for a hand built, custom built, custom finished, piece of kit which can truly transform a guitar.
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there are always those people that are convinced there £25 replacement pickups are the best thing in the world and beat anything else out their for any price... thats the kind of attitude i picked up quite regularly from the guitarist forum.
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I think that quite often it's a matter of paying for consistency. BKPs are hand made, and so will be subject to QC all along the process - this isn't necessarily true for bigger producers. Fender and Gibson are classic examples - large name brands, producing some fantastically inconsistent guitars, some fabulous, some tragic.
I don't think it's necessarily true that you get what you pay for. Sourcing products that are properly controlled, that's the secret.
Mark.
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I couldn't agree more!
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Living in the States the prices are higher (becuase US made pickups are cheaper here and the exchange rate is pants at the moment). However, once you compare a BK to the others there is no going back. I am about to fit yet another of my guitars with a set (HSS - Stormy Monday and Sultans), and don't think that there is another pickup made today that has the tone of the BK's, whether they are vintage or modern voiced.
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Congrats on the good reviews, Tim.
I can see how BKPs arent expensive by UK standards but I can sort of see the point overseas. A set of BKs is ~$400 and a set of diMarzios is ~$150. That's undeniably a big difference. It's worth it, yes, but I can understand why some people are hard to convince of this.
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Just to chip in my tuppence.
Firstly congrats to Tim and his magic elves.
Secondly in I was in a local guitar store and they are looking 105 quid for a single Pearly Gates pickup (yeah I know you can buy them online cheaper but it's a shed load of money for a machine wound pickup)
Sort of shows that members of certain forums are talking nonsense really regatding BK products being really expensive
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Anyone have the link to that article??
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Buy the mag, you cheapskate ;)
I was laughing at the sheer number of mentions the pickups get in the mag - I think there are 6 or 7, including the BKP advert itself. Cracked me up!
You needn't have bothered with an advert this month Tim :lol:
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Buy the magazine? I am sitting in front of a computer.
That's like telling somebody to go buy a CD these days. I mean, come on!! :lol:
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It doesn't make sense to me either.
A Seymour Duncan JB is about £60/£65 online, more in shops.
You pay £30 extra for a hand built, custom built, custom finished, piece of kit which can truly transform a guitar.
+ 1 on this.
At least here in the UK the price differential isn't great, and that's before you get to some of the more expensive mass produced US imports...
No competiton (although for a US buyer I can see the problems!)
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Congrats on the good reviews, Tim.
I can see how BKPs arent expensive by UK standards but I can sort of see the point overseas. A set of BKs is ~$400 and a set of diMarzios is ~$150. That's undeniably a big difference. It's worth it, yes, but I can understand why some people are hard to convince of this.
agreed. :)
Just to chip in my tuppence.
Firstly congrats to Tim and his magic elves.
Secondly in I was in a local guitar store and they are looking 105 quid for a single Pearly Gates pickup (yeah I know you can buy them online cheaper but it's a shed load of money for a machine wound pickup)
Sort of shows that members of certain forums are talking nonsense really regatding BK products being really expensive
£105? :lol: where was this, marcus? o_O
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£105? :lol: where was this, marcus? o_O
Nope Bairds (and that was a while ago) kind of a way this has inspired me to contact Tim today and finally getting some pickups ordered
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Buy the mag, you cheapskate ;)
I was laughing at the sheer number of mentions the pickups get in the mag - I think there are 6 or 7, including the BKP advert itself. Cracked me up!
That's one of the things I've always liked about Guitarist, there's a feeling of continuity. They'll say "we ran the Strat through the Marshall tested elsewhere in this issue", like they really do all sit around in one big room with a load of gear - rather than shipping individual bits of stuff out to reviewers scattered all over the country.
And now they do those little features about how gear they reviewed 6 months ago is performing long-term, which is a really good idea.
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Congratulations Tim!!!. We are enjoying "These Babies" here in the south. Greetings from the birthplace of the Blues!!!
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£105? :lol: where was this, marcus? o_O
Nope Bairds (and that was a while ago) kind of a way this has inspired me to contact Tim today and finally getting some pickups ordered
ah, ok, thanks rob. i've only been in that shop once, they seemed nice enough, but their prices were quite high. they had a jj, which was a nice guitar, but it had sustained a (pretty noticeable) ding on the front... they were going to throw off something like £50 (on a £1000+ guitar)... I was like :?
£100+ for a run of the mill machine wound duncan is a bit daft, to be honest.
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Which issue is this everybody is talking about? April? May? Haven't been able to find info on the Guitarist site.
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It is the June issue (with a Flying V on the cover). I had a little more trouble than usual tracking it down but I ventured into Sainsbury's(my first time in a supermarket for ages) and got it there. It is indeed great to see BKP's get such a review.
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Buy the mag, you cheapskate ;)
I was laughing at the sheer number of mentions the pickups get in the mag - I think there are 6 or 7, including the BKP advert itself. Cracked me up!
That's one of the things I've always liked about Guitarist, there's a feeling of continuity. They'll say "we ran the Strat through the Marshall tested elsewhere in this issue", like they really do all sit around in one big room with a load of gear - rather than shipping individual bits of stuff out to reviewers scattered all over the country.
And now they do those little features about how gear they reviewed 6 months ago is performing long-term, which is a really good idea.
Totally agree with that Phil. I used to just read Total Guitar but went off it about 8 months ago - it really is not a very good mag when compared to Guitarist (IMO anyway!)
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Yeah, I went off Total Guitar. I felt that I had to have long hair and wear black if I was going to carry on reading it. Someone should tell them that there are more styles of music than just metal and more bands than just Trivium and Dragonforce.
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Damn I want some of these now!!!
bar-stewards... :P
I reckon the most people compare (I genuinely believe this) BKP's with Duncans or Di Marzio's because they really don't know much about pickups. They just happen to be the oldest brands.
BKP is a whole new level, but most people don't seem to get it yet.
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I think that quite often it's a matter of paying for consistency. BKPs are hand made, and so will be subject to QC all along the process - this isn't necessarily true for bigger producers. Fender and Gibson are classic examples - large name brands, producing some fantastically inconsistent guitars, some fabulous, some tragic.
I don't think it's necessarily true that you get what you pay for. Sourcing products that are properly controlled, that's the secret.
Mark.
Exactly. I have two SD JBs, one I bought new for a ridicoulus 67 Euros (around 42 pds). However, the two sound really quite different, especially the output is way higher on one of them.
I think Bareknuckle prices are ok because not only are they handmade, built and designed with a lot of care for the detail and of excellent materials, but also you buy them for "life". I don't think anybody replaces a Bareknuckle he has grown found of with a SD or DiMarzio. :D If I think how many SDs or DiMarzio I bought and sold with a loss on ebay I should have gotten that Miracle Man right away, I would have actually saved money in total!
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Yeah, I went off Total Guitar. I felt that I had to have long hair and wear black if I was going to carry on reading it. Someone should tell them that there are more styles of music than just metal and more bands than just Trivium and Dragonforce.
No. Because that's their target audience. Magazines have to have an audience, and the black-wearing Trivium listening 14 year old crowd is Total Guitar's!