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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Scotty477 on May 15, 2008, 08:11:15 PM
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I'm kinda ticked off with ebay, due to the changes which started to kick in today.
I have a few bits of gear (guitars, amp, Tonelab LE etc) and a ton of US comics to sell, so I'm looking for recommendations of viable online auction alternatives to ebay - in the UK.
Anyone?
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amazon used to do auctions, unsure whether they continued with it
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amazon used to do auctions, unsure whether they continued with it
Not sure about auctions, but there's certainly Amazon Marketplace. It's fixed price and again they take a cut (if the item sells), but it's very easy to list things because they do most of the work.
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I'll take a look at Amazon, cheers.
Strangely enough my feedback rating has returned to 100%. I've been 99.8% for years after a crazy Canadian buyer negged me after a buy it now auction (which he had no intention of paying).
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Strangely enough my feedback rating has returned to 100%. I've been 99.8% for years after a crazy Canadian buyer negged me after a buy it now auction (which he had no intention of paying).
I think that's one of the new changes that kicked in today - the % rating is now based on your feedback for the last 12 months, because it's more relevant than a bit of -ve feedback you may have had 3 or 4 years ago.
I must admit that's not a bad idea.
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At least you didn't get bad feedback from someone bidding on the wrong item. That has been known to happen from time to time...
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That would appear to be the only sensible thing to come out of ebay of late.
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Do you have Craigslist in the UK?
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I don't think so. We do have a similar thing, called Gumtree though.
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Do you have Craigslist in the UK?
It seems we do, but it looks very basic:
http://geo.craigslist.org/iso/gb
How does it work? Does it have feedback and direct payment methods etc, or is it more like an electronic version of the classified ads in the local paper?
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I've sold a few things on my local gumtree, somethings go quickly, others take longer to shift. i've seen the same listing up for weeks at a time but sold some gear within two days.
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I'll give it a go. I'm really unhappy with the way ebay is turning out.
I'll put em in the seconds out section here first though.
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Ive just gone to leave feedback for a buyer and found that sellers are no longer allowed to leave negative or neutral feedback anymore.
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Yeah but buyers can leave feedback for sellers still. The whole thing has went arse over tit IMHO.
It's one of the reasons I'm looking for alternatives. There are horror stories already where buyers are acting like tossers - knowing they can't be given any adverse feedback.
Oh and neutrals now count as a negative .... and it's retrospective as well :o
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Do you have Craigslist in the UK?
It seems we do, but it looks very basic:
http://geo.craigslist.org/iso/gb
How does it work? Does it have feedback and direct payment methods etc, or is it more like an electronic version of the classified ads in the local paper?
Craigslist in the states is basic like that too. You're right about it being an electronic version of the classified ads. You have to be wary when buying from people far away but the plus side is you can find items close to you to try out or look before buying.
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There are horror stories already where buyers are acting like tossers - knowing they can't be given any adverse feedback.
What type of thing ? What do we have to beware of ?
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There are horror stories already where buyers are acting like tossers - knowing they can't be given any adverse feedback.
What type of thing ? What do we have to beware of ?
I have to say it sounds like a bit of an "urban myth" to me - the new feedback system only started yesterday!
What's the point of buyers being arsey? They're still there to buy something and presumably want good service from the seller. Unless they're deliberately setting out just to be difficult - in which case you can get them banned (.... eventually :roll: ).
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There are horror stories already where buyers are acting like tossers - knowing they can't be given any adverse feedback.
What type of thing ? What do we have to beware of ?
Basically anything now, but the one's that have popped up already are;
1. Buyer buys an item of clothing that is clearly stated as a certain colour. Item sent by seller. Seller then receives word from the buyer that they now don't want that colour and want to send it back. Seller agrees but points to the fact that in this case the buyer is responsible for return postage. Buyer states that they are not going to do this and unless the postage is paid by the seller they will give a negative.
2. Item and packaging are damaged, clearly whilst in the postal system. Buyer demands full refund immediately. Seller asks for full information and return of item so they can claim insurance and refund the buyer etc.
Buyer contacts the seller and states that unless full and immediate refund is given that day a negative will be left.
The whole transaction process is in a state of imbalance now. Before, when something genuinely went wrong (item lost, damaged etc), the matter could easily be resolved by both parties without the need for negative feedback. These days buyers know they are bomb proof and are making unreasonable demands.
I used buy and sell a lot on ebay and things did go missing in the post - both items that I had bought and sold. I was always able to sort it out. These days I would probably get a negative.
The scale of the lack of judgement on ebay's part in all this is stunning. Sellers and buyers need to be treated equally. The old system wasn't the best and did need a review but to change it to this is very, very poor indeed.
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There are horror stories already where buyers are acting like tossers - knowing they can't be given any adverse feedback.
What type of thing ? What do we have to beware of ?
I have to say it sounds like a bit of an "urban myth" to me - the new feedback system only started yesterday!
What's the point of buyers being arsey? They're still there to buy something and presumably want good service from the seller. Unless they're deliberately setting out just to be difficult - in which case you can get them banned (.... eventually :roll: ).
Look to the community forums on ebay Phil. It seems that it has started already. The new system also applies to all transactions that have not had feedback left already - before 15/5/08.
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People need to chill out and understand how buying and selling works both ways.
Like saying that they want a refund on that day!! if it were them they wouldnt do it they are just angry!!!
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can you still leave comments/explanations on negative feedback you recieve?
its put me off selling stuff, generally its not the big stuff that i would expect problems on but i was recently selling of loads of old warhammer stuff and some sold for 99p. I had more issues with the buyers on these than i ever have on anything else
For instance, i sell a very well painted minature for 99p. The buyer is in the netherlands and asks for a postage quote after the auction has ended, fair enough. but this results in 4 or 5 emails where he is haggling over the price i was charging. I broke it all down for him because i wanted to cover the cost of first class post and the cost of packaging... basically out of that 99p ebay take their cut and paypal took a bit too and if i didnt charge for the packaging i would be making a loss. I offered to just leave good feedback and cancel the sale if he wasnt happy with that but he grudgingly paid up the £2.50 i was charging him for the item and p&p. So two weeks later it hasnt arrived and he starts getting arsey again but their really isnt much i can do about a lost international item... i cant be bothered with this for a few pence so i give him a full refund.
He gave me positive feedback with a lower rating on the P&P and all is good... i gave him positive feedback too
I reckon with teh new system i would have lost my 100% positive with a transaction like that before i had even tried to solve any issues
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People need to chill out and understand how buying and selling works both ways.
Like saying that they want a refund on that day!! if it were them they wouldnt do it they are just angry!!!
That's the way it used to work.
The only flaw with the old system was that when you got involved with a genuinely poor seller who didn't send the item you paid for, or something similar, you would certainly have been given retaliatory negative feedback - even if you had done nothing wrong.
The new system is clearly designed with this flaw in mind but has tipped the scale over too far, so that buyers (and there are poor ones out these) can act as they please - as long as they pay.
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Well, it doesn't sound good :( . I know I tend to take the role of "eBay defender" in these discussions, but I think sometimes people get a little hysterical slagging off what is basically an excellent service. All that "Evil Bay" nonsense winds me up.
It's early doors for the new system, so let's see how it pans out. It's not at all in eBay's interest for buyers to start flinging around negative feedback left right and centre. The lower a seller's feedback, the more likely it is to put off other buyers. And if that happens and profits start dropping, you can bet they'll change the system again.
But one thing's certain - if I get any negative feedback I'll be hopping mad about it :roll: :wink: .
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I'm new to Paypal and eBay and they've already screwed me.
So to the point, I hope they $%&#ing die. And if they're still alive I hope they have an agonising last few minutes of pain. bar-stewards.
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I'm new to Paypal and eBay and they've already screwed me.
So to the point, I hope they #$%!& die. And if they're still alive I hope they have an agonising last few minutes of pain. bar-stewards.
Don't beat about the bush Jonny. Tell us what you really think man! :D
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I'm new to Paypal and eBay and they've already screwed me.
So to the point, I hope they #$%!& die. And if they're still alive I hope they have an agonising last few minutes of pain. bar-stewards.
Don't beat about the bush Jonny. Tell us what you really think man! :D
I recently bought strings and packaging off eBay. eBay is fine. Just not Paypal. The transaction was easy. Until it started saying I was paying by eCheque rather than direct transfer of money. I was thinking:
Why is that? Why do I have to add funds to my Paypal account in order to buy? Does it not link directly to my bank and fish money out simple as?
But NO, those bar-stewards have to do it some weird messed up way. So they have robbed me of time seeing as I did this a week ago. And also they robbed me of the money I used to pay the items for because it has gone out of my bank and has not returned. So plain simple as the trend goes..
$%&# YOU PAYPAL
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eBay is fine. Just not Paypal.
ebay owns paypal. Soon there will only be the option to use paypal to pay for anything on ebay. I believe ebay Australia is being used as a trial for this exact method very shortly.
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well its not just that jonny remember they said your card had expired when you still have a good few years on it.
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Why is that? Why do I have to add funds to my Paypal account in order to buy? Does it not link directly to my bank and fish money out simple as?
Did you register a credit card with them? When I first registered my payments were charged to my credit card, until I reached some limit (don't remember the amount, £750 or something) at which point they started being charged to my bank account (unless there's money in the PayPal account).
Then there are various stages you have to go through to "upgrade" your PayPal account when you start making sales and when you've received a certain amount of money.
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Why is that? Why do I have to add funds to my Paypal account in order to buy? Does it not link directly to my bank and fish money out simple as?
Did you register a credit card with them? When I first registered my payments were charged to my credit card, until I reached some limit (don't remember the amount, £750 or something) at which point they started being charged to my bank account (unless there's money in the PayPal account).
Then there are various stages you have to go through to "upgrade" your PayPal account when you start making sales and when you've received a certain amount of money.
he added his debit card but the payments were sent by echeque due to paypal thinking his card is expired when its virtually new and has a good few years left on it
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Why is that? Why do I have to add funds to my Paypal account in order to buy? Does it not link directly to my bank and fish money out simple as?
Did you register a credit card with them? When I first registered my payments were charged to my credit card, until I reached some limit (don't remember the amount, £750 or something) at which point they started being charged to my bank account (unless there's money in the PayPal account).
Then there are various stages you have to go through to "upgrade" your PayPal account when you start making sales and when you've received a certain amount of money.
I'm on a premier account. With no limits of transactions or money. And it was £20 ish I had spent. And two transactions so they didn't breach the original account thing when you sign up.
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Ah, OK, there was more to the story. I have no idea why they'd do that. :(
The only time I had a problem with PayPal was one of the times I had to upgrade my account and they sent some kind of authentication code through the post. It got lost, so they had to send it again and I couldn't use my account for weeks. I don't think they use that postal system any more.
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Ah, OK, there was more to the story. I have no idea why they'd do that. :(
The only time I had a problem with PayPal was one of the times I had to upgrade my account and they sent some kind of authentication code through the post. It got lost, so they had to send it again and I couldn't use my account for weeks. I don't think they use that postal system any more.
I had to do this last month.,
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I had to do this last month.,
Bugger, wrong again :oops: .
Oh well, next time you have to upgrade you won't have to wait for a post thing.
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I had to do this last month.,
Bugger, wrong again :oops: .
Oh well, next time you have to upgrade you won't have to wait for a post thing.
Hopefully, then again mine came through pretty fast.
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Ah, OK, there was more to the story. I have no idea why they'd do that. :(
The only time I had a problem with PayPal was one of the times I had to upgrade my account and they sent some kind of authentication code through the post. It got lost, so they had to send it again and I couldn't use my account for weeks. I don't think they use that postal system any more.
the way it worked when i did it was that the authentication code was 2 small payments of less than a pound made into my bank account by paypal. They went to gether to make a 4 digit authentication code.
It caught me out actually because i was just about to pay for something big when they said my account needed authenticating... I always try to pay straight away but it took a week to sort out so i was rather miffed!!!
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Ah, OK, there was more to the story. I have no idea why they'd do that. :(
The only time I had a problem with PayPal was one of the times I had to upgrade my account and they sent some kind of authentication code through the post. It got lost, so they had to send it again and I couldn't use my account for weeks. I don't think they use that postal system any more.
the way it worked when i did it was that the authentication code was 2 small payments of less than a pound made into my bank account by paypal. They went to gether to make a 4 digit authentication code.
It caught me out actually because i was just about to pay for something big when they said my account needed authenticating... I always try to pay straight away but it took a week to sort out so i was rather miffed!!!
I had to do that to get verified then last month i had to update my account via the mail system
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ah right.. so i can expect it to happen again at some point!!!
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"Upon checking your account, I was able to see that the reason why the funds
were sent as eCheque is that the card in the account, your back-up funding
source, has expired."
Just got that a few minutes ago. FOR THE SECOND TIME. Funny how I could buy my RG08LTD and BKPs with an EXPIRED card.
bar-stewards.
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Update on Paypal:
The sender of a Personal Payment which is also a Card Funded Payment may choose to pay the Fee applicable to that payment.
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PayPal will apply a fee for payments received for Personal Payments or Commercial Payments if such a payment is funded by a credit or debit card, however for Personal Payments funded by a card, the sender will have the option of paying the fees for that payment
Do you think eBay will accept this option now? ie Paypal accepted, if you pay the charges.
Making eBay worthwhile again?
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Update on Paypal:
The sender of a Personal Payment which is also a Card Funded Payment may choose to pay the Fee applicable to that payment.
and
PayPal will apply a fee for payments received for Personal Payments or Commercial Payments if such a payment is funded by a credit or debit card, however for Personal Payments funded by a card, the sender will have the option of paying the fees for that payment
Do you think eBay will accept this option now? ie Paypal accepted, if you pay the charges.
Making eBay worthwhile again?
I, too, got that email this morning. However, all the nice options on fees only appy to "PERSONAL" payments - which do not include any payments for goods. One of the very good things about Paypal can be the Buyer protection you can get for payments for goods. For payment for goods, fees and other rules would seem to stay about much the same.
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I, too, got that email this morning. However, all the nice options on fees only appy to "PERSONAL" payments - which do not include any payments for goods. One of the very good things about Paypal can be the Buyer protection you can get for payments for goods. For payment for goods, fees and other rules would seem to stay about much the same.
Agreed, further down the email it defines Commercial and Personal payments:
"Commercial Payment" means a payment which is not a Personal Payment (including, without limitation a payment associated with an eBay item and/or other goods or services).
"Personal Payment" means a payment made for the purpose of either your personal, family and/or household affairs.
I think all this does is make PayPal a bit more like a regular bank - you can now transfer money to a friend or, presumably, pay your domestic bills without incurring fees (unless it's card-funded, in which case you'd want to pay the fees, because British Gas aren't going to accept you under-paying - "it was the PayPal fees, honest!" :roll: ).
Even if it did apply to eBay payments, is it likely that any buyer would be happy to bear the fees anyway? We all moan about suffering selling fees, so why the hell would any buyer want to pay them instead?