Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Catalyst77 on May 15, 2008, 10:48:09 PM
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I've had this guitar since i was 19 but havent ever really liked the colour - seams a bit too hair metal for my tastes.
It plays awesome and the VH2 complements the alder really well.
Was thinking about saving a few pennies and sending it off for a paint job. I know the wood underneath isnt going to be all that pretty so its going to have to be a solid colour. But with the black hardware i'm stumped.
Anyone got any ideas or suggestions?
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t29/benmartin1977/espgreen.jpg)
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I've had this guitar since i was 19 but havent ever really liked the colour - seams a bit too hair metal for my tastes.
It plays awesome and the VH2 complements the alder really well.
Was thinking about saving a few pennies and sending it off for a paint job. I know the wood underneath isnt going to be all that pretty so its going to have to be a solid colour. But with the black hardware i'm stumped.
Anyone got any ideas or suggestions?
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t29/benmartin1977/espgreen.jpg)
Could have it none more black - Or white, which would look great with black hardware. Or a sunburst - Which can look superb on super strats (think Shawn Lane's charvel, etc).
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I'd probably go black or dark grey with a metalic fleck.
A nice red with a black burst around the edge could work well. Something like the one below, but a solid red and more pronounced burst.
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too hair metal
There's no such thing.
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too hair metal
There's no such thing.
O yes there is :roll:
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White.
But it's not going to be cheap - I've never been convinced that refinishes are worth the money.
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(http://www.felineguitars.com/spec_sheets/guitar_images/jackson%20feline%20dinky/completed-front.jpg)
Ben - here is the Pewter/gun metal colour I was speaking of onthe phone
We can add blue to that colour to get this:
(http://www.felineguitars.com/spec_sheets/guitar_images/valentine%20ergo%20bass/controls250.jpg)
Both pretty masculine colours but in keeping with an 80s guitar.
Either that or keep the original colour and just get some spandex and cowboy boots.
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Or we could strip it - add a maple veneer (0.6mm thick) to the front and then you can have a burst of somekind showing off a flame maple front.
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black/graphite chrome spray! :D
or silver chrome if you change the hardware
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Just don't change the finish but add pink pickup covers - perfect!
:O)
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Or we could strip it - add a maple veneer (0.6mm thick) to the front and then you can have a burst of somekind showing off a flame maple front.
That would be sweet.
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Hmm; quite like the idea of the maple veneer - would open up some possibilities.
I'd have to check it out; cause i had one of those on a wolfgang special and it looked really cheap and tacky.
Was considering something like this:
http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/product/5f321b19b526080af174c94268e8f6d1.jpg
But I dont know if it would work on a non-symetrical guitar.
Either that or keep the original colour and just get some spandex and cowboy boots.
I'd kill for spandex - but i just don't have the legs for it! although i do have a fetching mullet wig.
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Hmm; quite like the idea of the maple veneer - would open up some possibilities.
I'd have to check it out; cause i had one of those on a wolfgang special and it looked really cheap and tacky
go with the veneer - there is no reason it should look like a tacky veneer job you see on cheap guitars. A good flamed maple veneer will look like a good flamed maple top
i would be tempted to go with that gun metal finish jonathan posted on the back side and neck with a grey burst onto a flamed maple front - maybe adding some kind of binding to the top edge to seperate the two
although as veneers go i would be tempted by some poplar burl like on prozacbears ibanez if you wanted a more natural finish
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(http://www.felineguitars.com/spec_sheets/guitar_images/paul%20hovey%20PH1/PH1-fullfront-726.jpg)
This one had a maple veneer on it allowing the alder body to supply the tone and just have the veneer for appearance.
Normally you need to use a burst to hide the join between the body and veneer.
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Sounds very tempting - are there any luthier sites that show what veneer options there are ?
Or is any generic style veneer a usuable option?
i would be tempted to go with that gun metal finish jonathan posted on the back side and neck with a grey burst onto a flamed maple front - maybe adding some kind of binding to the top edge to seperate the two
although as veneers go i would be tempted by some poplar burl like on prozacbears ibanez if you wanted a more natural finish
Not sure about the binding - prob look really good, but would it be possible on a contoured body? its quite rounded
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well, given that both Jonathan and WezV are luthiers, you could just ask them directly? :)
One thing's for sure, these guys produce some absolutely stunning work (like the burst top on that tele, and this coming from a tele-hater!!)!
Roo
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I wasn't proposing binding because the edges of the ESP are already rounded over and because fitting binding to an existing guitar would be very tricky.
More i was suggesting bursting the colour in to a dark colour that hides the join at the edges of the body.
I also suggested the veneer shown because I have lots in stock
Also veneers:
(http://www.felineguitars.com/spec_sheets/guitar_images/Blackwood%20Tabby/blackwood%20tabby1.jpg)
(http://www.felineguitars.com/spec_sheets/guitar_images/puma/puma.jpg)
(http://www.felineguitars.com/spec_sheets/guitar_images/Southpaw%20stealth%201/southpaw%20stealth.jpg)
(http://www.felineguitars.com/spec_sheets/guitar_images/Madrone%20Gunslinger/Madrone%20Gunslinger.jpg)
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yeah, the body edges is a tricky one (nothing a bit of filler wouldnt solve :P ) but i saw it as a way to get the gun metal and a normal trans black togther with a nice seperation between the two, i really like that gunmetal finish jonathan posted :twisted:
that would be an expensive job though because of the work involved in installing a simple strip of binding into a complete guitar and it all comes down to personal taste anyway...
as jonathan has shown above - veneers dont need to look cheap!!!
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I just shot my load over that Tabby, and i'm not even a Tele guy :oops:
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I just shot my load over that Tabby, and i'm not even a Tele guy :oops:
Errr, that'll decrease the valueuntil it's cleaned off.
How about a material finish? There's some material with cowboys on which I did consider using for one of my Cigar Box Guitars (the missus likes it).
Essentially lay a piece of material over the top and poly over the top, bit more involved but not too difficult.
EDIT: Here's a link: http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/mat.htm
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fool!! the intense torquoise is great :twisted:
other options:
shocking pink
magenta
luminous yellow
gingataff avatar green
zebra stripes
black with airbrushed dragons
white (if you must be fancy and tasteful ;) )
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I love it just how it is :oops:
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fool!! the intense torquoise is great :twisted:
other options:
shocking pink
magenta
luminous yellow
gingataff avatar green
zebra stripes
black with airbrushed dragons
white (if you must be fancy and tasteful ;) )
Yeah, I'd go with white, pink, yellow, seafoam green (or whatever it is now) or... baby blue.
Let's face it, drag it out of the closet, it is a hair metal guitar :wink: . Pretending it's anything else is like me pretending to be a gangsta rapper (and I have only to look at that c--k Tim Westwood to see what a bad idea that is....)
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I just shot my load over that Tabby, and i'm not even a Tele guy :oops:
Yeah - that had an Australian/Tazmanian Blackwood veneer front ion an alder body. In a lot of ways it looked like hawaiian Koa.
That sold to someone who already had one of our guitars that i built for him
Sometimes one isnt enough :twisted:
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Just don't change the finish but add pink pickup covers - perfect!
:O)
Paul Gilbert is proud of you.
(http://www.paulgilbert.com/fshow.27.jpg)
But he's very unimpressed with everyone else in this thread.
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In a lot of ways it looked like hawaiian Koa.
That sold to someone who already had one of our guitars that i built for him
Sometimes one isnt enough :twisted:
I honestly thought it was at first glance
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In a lot of ways it looked like hawaiian Koa
I honestly thought it was at first glance
they are VERY similar, so similar you can use them on the same guitar and not realise its different woods
here is a thin tazzy top i have with a koa headplate
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/tazzy.jpg)
the koa usually has less of the dark streaks that the taz has but but you can see how close the colours are and although these dont match perfectly, you can get more variation than this in the same species, hell, even in the exact same tree!
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ick, i will never understand this obsession with garish colors of a queer persuasion on guitars :roll: :? PDT_047
That Paul Gilbert guitar has to be the worst out of the lot of "80's" ideas on this thread. Consequently the only tasteful guitars on this thread are those that Feline posted, thanks for bringing a little bit of decency into this thread Feline ;) - it really eased the pain of the rest. By the way, the top on that tabby is astoundingly beautiful!
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ick, i will never understand this obsession with garish colors of a queer persuasion on guitars :roll: :? PDT_047
That Paul Gilbert guitar has to be the worst out of the lot of "80's" ideas on this thread. Consequently the only tasteful guitars on this thread are those that Feline posted, thanks for bringing a little bit of decency into this thread Feline ;) - it really eased the pain of the rest. By the way, the top on that tabby is astoundingly beautiful!
I know I may have started this thred but the only reason i have a garish guitar is cause it plays like a dream and sounds awesome!
Ultimately thats more important i guess. I would like to tone the thing down but i'm not really prepared to fork out over £400 to do it
Guess I need to find myself a whitesnake tribute band!
BTW here's my other ESP:
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t29/benmartin1977/PICT3691.jpg)
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I would like to tone the thing down but i'm not really prepared to fork out over £400 to do it
a basic respray to another colour will work out less than that wherever you go... but as soon as you start looking at differnt options things start to add up
I know i suggested a gun metal finish on back and neck with binding and a black burst flame maple top but that would be an ideal for me and certainly cost a lot of money to actually achieve ( well over £400 i would expect, because i always want the stuff that is a bitch to do)
at the end of the day just spraying it a solid colour (like black, or dark blue or grey, or even pure white for instance) needn't cost you 400 smackaroonies
but the guitar is naturally quite 80's and it might be best to embrace that
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that's a beautiful top on that red one Benmartin. I was not so critical about you buying the guitar, because obviously it is about the playability. But it is just all these 80's suggestions to mod it :roll: that gunmetal finish does look quite nice though.
There are some things you could do on your own that would cost less than 40 quid though, and i think, look cool. You could sand down the body to take off the paint job and you could apply stain to it and keep sanding and staining until you get a nice antique look to the thing. Or you could paint it with something else and do the same thing getting a "this guitar has been through WW III" look :twisted:. Or, you could sand it down and blow torch the fvcker then lacquer it and that would look hot!
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There are some things you could do on your own that would cost less than 40 quid though, and i think, look cool. You could sand down the body to take off the paint job and you could apply stain to it and keep sanding and staining until you get a nice antique look to the thing. Or you could paint it with something else and do the same thing getting a "this guitar has been through WW III" look :twisted:. Or, you could sand it down and blow torch the fvcker then lacquer it and that would look hot!
some of these things are suprisingly difficult to get looking right...
and i always found using spray cans to be very expensive and difficult to get good results with them... but thats only if you are aiming for a good finish
although i must admit i brought some spray cans from here recently
http://www.manchesterguitartech.co.uk/lacquer.html
£15 a can but very good stuff and much easier to get good results than using stuff from halfords
i brought i because they had burgundy mist, and someone mentioning burgundy mist had given me gas for a bass in said colour
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You can get decent results with spraycan car paints, if you're patient and careful enough. I wouldn't attempt a sunburst, but it's fine for solid colours.
Not the greatest pic, but this is a spraycan finish and it's still looking fine 20 years later:
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/phillyq/hhhjxgzghk.jpg)
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I did a burst finish on my Stratocaster copy. I thought the burst was good. I just didn't put any clear at the end though. But the bursting was easy (to me) and it is your own guitar, so whatever makes you happy.
although i must admit i brought some spray cans from here recently
http://www.manchesterguitartech.co.uk/lacquer.html
£15 a can but very good stuff and much easier to get good results than using stuff from halfords
i brought i because they had burgundy mist, and someone mentioning burgundy mist had given me gas for a bass in said colour
They only have Halfords over here. :(
Don't trust those orange aproned B&Q people with their Plasti-kote stuff.
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Personally I like my superstrats as bright and garish as possible, your baby blue ESP is a bit mild for my tastes 8)
As an aside, does anyone remember those ESPs back in the 80s that had real Dollar bills under the clear finish? When I was a teenager they looked really cool, of course with inflation the way it is I'm sure they are worthless now :wink:
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Quick google and look at this!!!
http://www.guitar-museum.com/guitar.php?ID=5544
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That's putting your money into your guitar to a whole new level.
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You can get decent results with spraycan car paints, if you're patient and careful enough.
too true, its the patience that most people struggle with. it can be a very slow process because of the amount of thinners in those lacquers... it feels dry in seconds but aint fully hard for ages and if you spray the next coat to soon the layer underneath is stopped from curing effectively. If you take the 'wack it on' approach you can be waiting months or even years for it to be fully hard
those cans i pointed to have a few advantages, they are a bit thicker than standard spray cans so cover better and build nicer, but probably have a much shorter shelf life because of that.... but the big advantage is the fan shaped nozzle that makes it much easier to get an even coat without runs.
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Quick google and look at this!!!
http://www.guitar-museum.com/guitar.php?ID=5544
interesting approach @ a guitar!
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Guess what my vote is:
(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8193/99902402zw8.th.jpg) (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=99902402zw8.jpg)(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6101/16678950rq3.th.jpg) (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16678950rq3.jpg)
Not the same but it has a lot of the same features. I just wanted a chance to show off. :o
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This is Ben's other ESP that we renovated
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/pimped/PICT3691.jpg)
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This is Ben's other ESP that we renovated
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/pimped/PICT3691.jpg)
And its gorgeous!!!