Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Tech => Topic started by: Joe Kataldo on May 22, 2008, 04:17:45 PM
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Looks Like every one likes this speakers but me, I find them harsh, to my ears they have a too clear presence somewhere between 3k and 4k that really hurts my ears, I've tried a lots of cabs and I own some, but I still prefer my mesa 1x12 with celestion C90, what do you guys use and think?
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I think it's a matter of personal preference. The V30s in my Rivera cab sound great. I've heard em in other rigs and not liked em as much. In and of itself, there is nothing wrong with the V30.
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what model I'dlike to check it
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It could be that the cabinet construction works better with the speakers you already have or that your amp is just better suited to the speakers you are already using so bear that in mind before you go off swapping your speakers, potentially screwing up your tone in the process.
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I like them mixed with something else to balance the tone a bit better. I have two V30s and two Heritage G12H30s in my current 4x12.
As said above, they work better with some cabs than others. I find they owrk better in big heavy cabs - Mesas, Matamps, Oranges etc
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I like them with my g12h in a 1936 marshall 2x12...
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Well I love mid, I've mid on 10 in my mark IV but I don't like clear brite sound, I like round and warm, and all the cab with vintage 30 I've tried up to date have the same clear presence, maybe is my amp that doesn't work well with it
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I like Vintage 30's, but only for stuff which is higher gain that ACDC's Back in Black. For mid-heavy speakers for Back in Black and lower gain I always prefer Greenbacks. For higher gain than that, I'm a V30 fan !
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I really have to check greenback...looks like steve vai was a V30 user and recently switched to greenbacks because found them smoother and warmer
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also see if you can try out some G12K-100s
Stunningly good speakers, but generally disregarded for some bizarre reason.
Roo
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Sure Thanks for the hint
:)
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I have a Vintage 30 paired with a Fane Alnico in a Matamp 2x12. They really work well together, the V30 gives a nice mid hump, and the Fane is quite top and bottom heavy.
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I'm thinking about matching my Jensen with a V-30.
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what Jensen you going to use with it?
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A Jensen C12N. It's a good full and warm sounding speaker that's great for vintage Fender tones but I want to add a bit of Marshall snarl.
I got the idea from Brian Setzer's setup. A hot rodded blonde bassman (it's modded so much it's almost a JTM45) hooked up to a matching 2X12 with vintage 30's.
I like that sound but I want to keep some of that vintage full Fender sound.
I think the mix n' match would get me what I'm looking for.
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What About Electrovoices? They were standards in some old mesa boogie models, like my mark IV old editions combos?
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I personally mix 2 Celestion G12K-100s with 2 EVM-12L black labels. That cab I then also combine with a 2 x 15, 2 x 8 cab. The G12K-100 matches really nicely with the EVM-12L black label, in my experience. I love the grind of the G12K, especially the low end handling, and the EVM just takes everything you throw at it. I'd say the EVM is a more neutral speaker than the G12K, but they complement each other nicely. Oh, and the power handling is just incredible (300W for these puppies - EACH!). Cracking :)
Roo
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V30s are a good reference speaker for rock guitar tones I think.
In actual use I prefer to combine them with the G12H, as is the done thing nowadays it seems.
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I prefer Celestion V60s, they take care of that harsh nature the V30s have, and have a bit more meat to them (lower mids sort of region). I think they are only available in Engl cabs, but they are amazing speakers.
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V30s are a good reference speaker for rock guitar tones I think.
In actual use I prefer to combine them with the G12H, as is the done thing nowadays it seems.
+1 ;)
I'm not a big fan of V30s "in the room" sound, but I do like them recorded "in the mix". They usually work out alright!
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I have them in a Rivera Knucklehead cab 4x12 and I know what you are talking about with harsh trebs with cleans especially.. But I like them for dirt, although I have to keep an EQ pedal with all mids out and a Barber tonepress to warm up both cleans and dirts. I am looking to replace two of these speakers with something with more punchy lows and hollow mids. Prolly a pair of Eminence. Check EMinence out, they have some V30 similes that are supposed to be great Redcoat and Patriot I think they are called
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The V30 works well for some stuff, in a Fender Hot Rod De Ville it sounds great....but in a mesa standard cab (which is insanely expensive) it sounds like total ass......goes to show that cab design is of the utmost importance, never buy a cab without trying it first just because it has a certain speaker in it......just my thoughts.
:D
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I like V30s for high gain stuff, but I do find them fatiguing after a while in the upper mids.
For hi-gain stuff, the (much hated) G12T-75 is better, though they do need to be LOUD to get the best from them.
I also like the Classic Lead 80 for high gain stuff - mega chunky tone than loves bags of overdrive, not so much classic rock stuff though. It's got that big bottom end that always reminds me of Hetfield's tone on Justice.
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I think it could be the Mark IV. I used to have a Mark III and didn't like anything but the Mesa Black Shadows speakers with it.
I think Rectifiers are more voiced for V30s, but Mesa Mark amps need EVs or BlackShadows ...
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I replaced the V30 in my stiletto 1x12 with a G12-65 because I found the V30 very harsh. The G12-65 gave me everything I wanted, smooth, warm and cruncy.
I wish I could find a 4x12 pre-loaded with them.
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I prefer Celestion V60s, they take care of that harsh nature the V30s have, and have a bit more meat to them (lower mids sort of region). I think they are only available in Engl cabs, but they are amazing speakers.
Interesting, I think you're the first person I've read with a good word to say about the V60s.
Just for interest's sake, does anyone know what the V60s are? Yes, I know they're speakers, duh :lol: What I mean is that I can't see them listed on the Celestion website - are Engl just using a different name for an existing model, or are they made exclusively for Engl?