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At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: Roobubba on June 02, 2008, 09:21:43 AM
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I mean FFS, if any one of them had to be shot (and only one, unfortunately), I don't know anyone who wouldn't wish it was McCartney. Now all we see is this tosser parading around with that god awful looking guitar, and even more god awful "songs".
I, for one, do NOT live in a submarine, yellow or any other f***ing colour.
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God I needed that.
Roo
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i think that the band he was in back in the 1960s may have been slightly influential and changed peoples lives for the better?
ozzy osbourne admits the beatles were a great inspiration to him in the early days of his career... so without beatles - no sabbath or metal probably.
on the other hand, i must strongly agree that macca the media personality is very over exposed. wouldn't care if i never heard of him again.
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The guy is a legend, that's why he gets where he does.
* Half of the most successful song writing partnership of all time
* Hugely influential to anyone in the music industry
* Talented multi-instrument musician
* Pushed the boundaries of studio techniques ('bouncing' tracks on 4-track recorders etc)
* Done loads of work for charidee, mate
The Beatles were the first "band". Before them it was all about the singer - Elvis, Buddy Holly, Cliff Richard etc. The Beatles had equal standing and were all individually loved by the fans. Without them, we guitarists would probably still be the guys at the back in the shadows (if you pardon the pun ;)).
And for the record, I hate the term "Macca".
He's Sir Paul McCartney.
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Well the news is rather shite in general, I used to read the paper cover to cover about 5 years ago, now I get bored after one article.
Why is it Macca anway? isn't that some religeous thing, where people go on a mission or something to find faith?
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I dispute that they were the first "band". While I can't be bothered to go trawling through records of the old stuff to support my claim, I'm certainly willing to put my neck on the line and say that there were other recognisable bands (rather than, as you say, front man + supporters) before "them".
As for the Charity work, that's a small drop in the ocean of debt that man has to pay back to society for the other crimes against us that he's committed (but it is a very welcome one, nonetheless!!).
Of course, that's my personal opinion, just as yours is above, Twinfan :)
I just really needed a rant about this loser - all we seem to see on the news these days is this guy's ugly mug making love to the cameras.
Don't know about anyone else, but when I hear their music, I get really hot under the collar, ready to hit/kick/mame/brutalise/murder anything I see. Can't explain it, other than to just accept it and avoid hearing their stuff at all costs. There are plenty of bands which I don't like, but can appreciate what they do and respect them as human beings. Sadly for me, and for those around me, the "fab four" are not amongst them.
With that said, Thomas the Tank Engine was cool when I was a kid!
Hey, that was a "feedback sandwich"! Sweet!
:)
Roo
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their music was of a different time and context, its clear they couldn't be as agressive as todays bands back in the 60s - even the most hardcore of hardcore would have called it noise.
i'm not too sure about the music of the beatles myself, but seen in the proper context, they are indeed one of the most important bands ever. however - the shadows are great :)
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You may not like it but the media love him. So they do what they love. Even if he likes it or not. Probably does, but you can only assume.
And anyways, he is Sir Paul McCartney.
And to state the obvious, he's on the news because:
"[he] has celebrated his home city's year as European Capital of Culture"
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"[he] has celebrated his home city's year as European Capital of Culture"
[joking]Since when does stinking of urine & having mile long dole queues qualify a place as cultured?[/joking] ;)
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I too doubt that the beatles were the first band. Back in the fifties there also was the Rock 'n Roll Trio for example.
McCartney deserves all the credit he gets for all the reasons stated above. That doesn't mean I like the guy. I dunno.......he seems to slick for me. More business man than musician.
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I too doubt that the beatles were the first band. Back in the fifties there also was the Rock 'n Roll Trio for example.
Not exactly famous though were they? I think The Beatles were the first truly successful band? Can't think of one before them off hand...
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Not a huge fan of The Beatles and their music, but you gotta respect what him and the other members have done. He is mentioned so much nowadays more for his split with Heather Mills though than for his music.
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The Beatles were so important to music as we know it.
In many ways - without Beatlemania and the effect it had on the USA in terms of music the whole music industry would have been a very different beast over the last 40 years.
They paved the way for bands that wrote their own stuff rather than bands that relied on songwriters in Tin Pan Alley and from the Brill Building.
Also - look back to who your favourite bands were influenced by
If they were not influenced by the Beatles , then the bands that DID influence them were influenced by them.
Example:
If you love a band who were influenced by Metallica
Metallica were influenced by Black Sabbath
Black Sabbath were influenced by The Beatles
So indirectly Paul Mccartney will have had an effect.
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First off: I love the Beatles. I don't have a single bad thing to say about Revolver and onwards. But I have mixed feelings about the Argument of Influences. Sometimes it's misused like "if you like band X you have to like band Y because band Y influenced band X". And people get offended if you say band Y isn't as good as band X when really it's just music, and music is perceived differently by different people. Dream Theater is my favourite band and many of the bands they were influenced by, I can't stand listening to for more than a few songs (Yes, Rush, Pink Floyd, King Crimson), but it doesn't mean I deny the influence it had on them. I have a mate who's even more opinionated than me who said "I don't care who did it first, I care who did it BEST" and that's very true to some degree. I don't care to hear Clapton bending strings back in the 60s just cause some slightly better guitar players heard him bend strings and started bending strings themselves. I'd much rather hear Marty Friedman bend those strings. :wink:
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Nope, sorry - don't understand Beatles/Macca bashing.
He's had a pretty rough time over the last decade - media-wise he was always pretty low profile before the death of Linda. I think that the recent divorce must have spurred his marketing people to get him out there and keep him in a good light - his popularity could have gone the other way, given what a fickle bunch us unclean masses are...
Mark.
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I'm not fickle, I've always had a very deep and intense disliking of him and them :)
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Arguments based on influence are totally irrelevent imo.
So what if the beatles shaped the music industry, if they hadn't someone else would have, and it might have been even better than what we have now.
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Nope, sorry - don't understand Beatles/Macca bashing.
3 words. 'The. Frog. Chorus.' :)
Seriously, that's the reason why God chose to inflict Heather Mills on him. :)
Being slightly more serious... who was it who wrote the line
'The only thing you done was Yesterday'? :)
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A mate of mine once pointed out that, were anyone to level rants such as this to his face, hes more than entitled to turn round and say
"Well what have you done with your life?"
I'm not a fan, but you have to tip your hat to his contributions.
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Arguments based on influence are totally irrelevent imo.
So what if the beatles shaped the music industry, if they hadn't someone else would have, and it might have been even better than what we have now.
Illogical, captian
They did re-shape the music industry. And gave western music a shot in the arm it sorely needed (they were for example the first people in europe to use the Dorian scale since the 14 century).
And its not like science/technology where if its there to be found it will be by someone. Creative endevours dont work like that. They depend on the people involved and nothing more.
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I'd just like to say that I don't give a damn about any of the Beatles.
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Example:
If you love a band who were influenced by Metallica
Metallica were influenced by Black Sabbath
Black Sabbath were influenced by The Beatles
So indirectly Paul Mccartney will have had an effect.
yeah, that's pretty much how i feel. i'm not much a fan of the beatles, but most of my favourite bands were (or their favourite bands were)... i guess i appreciate what they did for the industry, even if i'm not much fussed on their songs or style of music.
They did re-shape the music industry. And gave western music a shot in the arm it sorely needed (they were for example the first people in europe to use the Dorian scale since the 14 century).
that can't be true, surely? what about jazz? (maybe that counts as american, though)
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Example:
If you love a band who were influenced by Metallica
Metallica were influenced by Black Sabbath
Black Sabbath were influenced by The Beatles
So indirectly Paul Mccartney will have had an effect.
yeah, that's pretty much how i feel. i'm not much a fan of the beatles, but most of my favourite bands were (or their favourite bands were)... i guess i appreciate what they did for the industry, even if i'm not much fussed on their songs or style of music.
They did re-shape the music industry. And gave western music a shot in the arm it sorely needed (they were for example the first people in europe to use the Dorian scale since the 14 century).
that can't be true, surely? what about jazz? (maybe that counts as american, though)
Well, I dont with certainty myself, but a composer dude that studied the beatles and made a TV program about them said so......so it must be true :shock: :wink:
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howard goodall? (think that's the dude)
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Were they using it intentionally though? I didn't know any of them had musical training.
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They did re-shape the music industry. And gave western music a shot in the arm it sorely needed (they were for example the first people in europe to use the Dorian scale since the 14 century).
And its not like science/technology where if its there to be found it will be by someone. Creative endevours dont work like that. They depend on the people involved and nothing more.
Totally agree with this (except the Dorian bit, I have no feckin' clue about that).
It's impossible to know one way or the other, of course, but I don't believe we'd have a music industry anything like the one we've had for the last 40-odd years without the Beatles. Their success, influence and impact on popular culture was totally unprecedented, and nothing like it will ever happen again because nowadays the industry is so much bigger and more fragmented. And it's become part of the establishment.
(There was Elvis, of course, but by the time the Beatles came along he'd already lost all his early edginess and was making bland music and boring family-friendly movies)
I'm not the biggest Beatles fan and I think most of McCartney's solo output is nothing more than sugary bilge. But I wouldn't for a second question his iconic status or his right to it.
And while we're on the subject, why the hell hasn't Ringo got a knighthood?
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Because John's dead.
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The Beatles were inspired by early rockabilly and blues guys. Carl Perkins among others.
All modern music can be dated back to some guy sitting on his porch singing and playing 'That's Allright Mama'.
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Well really everyone is just an imitation except for the old cavemen banging rocks.
If it weren't for them we'd still be listening to birdsong.
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I love the Beatles. Truly amazing songwriting, excellent production for the time and snazzy facial hair.
Fair enough, the 'Macca' thing is retarded. He comes across as a knob, great musician though- he freaking wrote Elenor Rigby!
I really don't understand peoples need to be vitriolic about certain subjects, especially online. Fair enough Roo you don't like teles or the Beatles, we now know that- give it a freaking break. It's like a retarded midget- neither big nor clever. Keep it to yourself.
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I love the Beatles. Truly amazing songwriting, excellent production for the time and snazzy facial hair.
Fair enough, the 'Macca' thing is retarded. He comes across as a knob, great musician though- he freaking wrote Elenor Rigby!
I really don't understand peoples need to be vitriolic about certain subjects, especially online. Fair enough Roo you don't like teles or the Beatles, we now know that- give it a freaking break. It's like a retarded midget- neither big nor clever. Keep it to yourself.
Hi Badger,
you might have made a slight typo in your sig, there...
Lots of love and hugs :)
Roo
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As much as I don't like a lot of Beatles stuff, anyone who could stand that mentalist for more than 10 minutes (let alone marry her) is a hero in my books.
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I love the Beatles. Truly amazing songwriting, excellent production for the time and snazzy facial hair.
Fair enough, the 'Macca' thing is retarded. He comes across as a knob, great musician though- he freaking wrote Elenor Rigby!
I really don't understand peoples need to be vitriolic about certain subjects, especially online. Fair enough Roo you don't like teles or the Beatles, we now know that- give it a freaking break. It's like a retarded midget- neither big nor clever. Keep it to yourself.
Hi Badger,
you might have made a slight typo in your sig, there...
Lots of love and hugs :)
Roo
It was deliberate. I love teles like a gangsta loves his hos. And my single humbuckered tele rocks harder than you. FACT.
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A mate of mine once pointed out that, were anyone to level rants such as this to his face, hes more than entitled to turn round and say
"Well what have you done with your life?"
I'm not a fan, but you have to tip your hat to his contributions.
+1
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The man is a very talented musician and songwriter.
You can't knock him for what he's done. When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles. There is so much of their material out there some of it will connect with you. Besides it's not his fault the media always put him in the spotlight.
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I think its hard in the modern context for people to properly understand the effect the Beatles had on music ... nowadays to young ears they just sound like another '60s band because those ears aren't hearing the music in its context - the impact is lost (or diluted) because the Beatles already happened 40 years ago.
But talk to anyone who was alive when they 'happened' and you cannot reasonably argue that they were not one of the most influential acts of the 20th century.
McCartney was a fundamental part of that. I can see how he might wind some people up, but you can't deny the man has talent. You can not like him or his music, but some respect for talent is due. And he has a right to earn a living like the rest of us :)
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I was in two minds whether to even bother to comment but I will. It is not compulsory to like the Beatles or Paul but to dismiss his stuff is a little churlish. So you don't like him or his music-fine, dont watch him, don't listen to him. Instead why don't you go and see if you can come up with some great songs cos the world of music could really do with it.
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I love the Beatles. Truly amazing songwriting, excellent production for the time and snazzy facial hair.
Fair enough, the 'Macca' thing is retarded. He comes across as a knob, great musician though- he freaking wrote Elenor Rigby!
I really don't understand peoples need to be vitriolic about certain subjects, especially online. Fair enough Roo you don't like teles or the Beatles, we now know that- give it a freaking break. It's like a retarded midget- neither big nor clever. Keep it to yourself.
Hi Badger,
you might have made a slight typo in your sig, there...
Lots of love and hugs :)
Roo
It was deliberate. I love teles like a gangsta loves his hos. And my single humbuckered tele rocks harder than you. FACT.
It doesn't matter how much you say "FACT", you play a bulbous, teletubby-like guitar and you think it makes you look cool, and you can't take the truth, which is that it makes you look like a proper batty boy.
Fact.
As to the other posts - thanks for bringing those points to the discussion - more is always better!
I wasn't around when the Beatles were playing, and i wasn't swept up in the "mania". I was around when Oasis did much the same thing, and I have to say I hated them too, so I've no doubt that I'd have hated the Beatles had I been around then, also.
Regarding "what have I done?" Good point, and very well made. In music, not nearly enough, and not even close to what I wanted to. Maybe I haven't had the lucky break yet, maybe I spent too long studying other things, and spend too long in traffic (hell that's true!). 'Maybe's don't cut it. No excuses, I'm not a famous musician yet. In fact, I never will be, because my favoured music is not mainstream.
This brings me neatly to another point, just because they were mainstream, is that a good enough reason in itself to revere them and make them "godlike" in history? Not in my opinion. They should be judged for what they did, not how they were received. They fall short in my judgement.
My reason for starting this thread was because every day it seems that the BBC is running some story about McCartney. Why? WHY? No-one seems to be able to provide a satisfactory answer to this question.
Why don't I just give it a rest? Well when they give it a f***ing rest, I'll give it a f***ing rest tbh.
Vitriolic, maybe. Tw*t, maybe, but I'm as entitled to my opinions as anyone else, and others here seem to agree with me, while others don't. None of us is *right* or *wrong*, they're only opinions, so get over it.
After all, this thread is in the "off topic" off topic forum!
I'm glad that there have been so many responses here, it shows the strength of feeling on the subject on both sides of the camp. I for one love Marmite, by the way.
Keep it coming, and keep it reasonable, please.
Roo
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My reason for starting this thread was because every day it seems that the BBC is running some story about McCartney. Why? WHY? No-one seems to be able to provide a satisfactory answer to this question.
The simple answer to that is that he's one of the most famous (and beloved, FWIW) men in the world. So when he does something - like have a messy divorce or play a big home-town concert - it makes the news.
Isn't that how news works?
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It doesn't matter how much you say "FACT", you play a bulbous, teletubby-like guitar and you think it makes you look cool, and you can't take the truth, which is that it makes you look like a proper batty boy.
Fact.
Keep it coming, and keep it reasonable, please.
Roo
How you think that comment is a reasonable response is beyond me...
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He has a symbiotic relationship with the media. Just like Amy Winehouse and Pete Doherty.
They need someone to fill pages and sell papers, and he needs PR. For them its a win win situation, and although the rest of the country plays along like sheep it seems to work.
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I like alot of what the Beatles did during their career, especially on the studio side of things, but I really do believe that Paul McCartney has written nothing of any merit since the Beatles split up, but am a fan of the Lennon/McCartney pairing.
As for the news reports etc about him, if it annoys me, I just turn the TV off or put the newspaper down. It's simple :)
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would be surprised if the macca media circus tones down the publicity for a while. the man is clearly no fool. as we all know he is a multi-millionaire and hardly needs the publicity for his latest project in the same way amy winehouse and pete doherty do... my theory is the only reason he carries on doing music is because he likes it! :)
as for post-beatles output, i suppose few dislike "live and let die" - a great song in many ways.
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would be surprised if the macca media circus tones down the publicity for a while. the man is clearly no fool. as we all know he is a multi-millionaire and hardly needs the publicity for his latest project in the same way amy winehouse and pete doherty do... my theory is the only reason he carries on doing music is because he likes it! :)
as for post-beatles output, i suppose few dislike "live and let die" - a great song in many ways.
Either that or the man is an egomaniac.
Or he has serious superiority/self worth issues.
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This has got childish really quickly. I was trying to be flippant, but it failed. I never once said I looked cool with a telecaster- I have my reasons for enjoying playing them, looks is a minority factor. Comments about someone sexuality? I expected better from this forum, I really did.
I'm out of this thread.
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The man is a very talented musician and songwriter.
You can't knock him for what he's done. When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles. There is so much of their material out there some of it will connect with you. Besides it's not his fault the media always put him in the spotlight.
Can I just say a coupla things...
1. I'm 39, how much older will I need to get before I lose interest in metal?
2. The first 'proper' album I bought (all those years ago) was Sgt Pepper... At one point, I could tell you which album any given Beatles song was on. Elenor Rigby was, for a verrry long time my favourite song.
It's just that sometimes I've been listening to 'How do you sleep?' too much... :)
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And while we're on the subject, why the hell hasn't Ringo got a knighthood?
agreed wholeheartedly, those voiceovers on thomas the tank engine were amazing.
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The man is a very talented musician and songwriter.
You can't knock him for what he's done. When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles. There is so much of their material out there some of it will connect with you. Besides it's not his fault the media always put him in the spotlight.
Away now jonny, thats a bit condesending to folks that like metal. Its simply not true that it prevents you from appreciating other music. Hell, the fact that most other genres have been blended with metal in some way should be a givaway that metal musicians are generally open minded musically
(yes there are some that let the side down, but every genre has its Empty Cans).
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I'm 39, how much older will I need to get before I lose interest in metal?
I'm nearly 44, and I've got to say it's started to lose some of its appeal for me.
That is to say, they aren't many new(ish) metal bands who do anything for me, apart from Opeth, Mastodon and maybe a few others. There's a general lack of melody and "proper" singers, which I think is a shame (edit: I know I've said that a million times, apologies).
Still love the old stuff as much as ever though.
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When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles.
Sorry, but this narrowminded nonsense pretty much invalidates anything worthwhile you may have had to say.
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When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles.
Sorry, but this narrowminded nonsense pretty much invalidates anything worthwhile you may have had to say.
The opposite of narrow minded, shows how much more open one becomes with maturity to the variations and different aspects of life. I couldn't take 20 more years of the modern metal scene which seems to either be angry people, or people that don't know how to handle their emotions.
No great fan of the band, but I can't deny that they were something special. Yes, he has made mistakes, but he doesn't ask to be in the press all the time.
They just can't win, people like J Page aren't recording or releasing anything really, so people complain that he has had more sig guitars in the last 10 years than songs, whereas we are complaining about this fella releasing utter cr@p for the past few decades (or however long it is :P )
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When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles.
Sorry, but this narrowminded nonsense pretty much invalidates anything worthwhile you may have had to say.
The opposite of narrow minded, shows how much more open one becomes with maturity to the variations and different aspects of life. I couldn't take 20 more years of the modern metal scene which seems to either be angry people, or people that don't know how to handle their emotions.
The mainstream metal scene yes, but there are endless fantastic acts out there if someone makes an effort to look for them.
My real point though, was that almost every single person I know who is into metal (and I mean REALLY into metal, not folks that read Kerrang and follow their lead and nothing more, people that actually seek out new music and support the scene) generally have enormously varied tastes.
What Johnny appears to be saying is that all metal is childs nonsense which you grow out of when you get taste and listen to proper music. Which is certainly narrowminded.
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What Johnny appears to be saying is that all metal is childs nonsense which you grow out of when you get taste and listen to proper music. Which is certainly narrowminded.
I think that's a big conclusion you're jumping to there. I interpreted the post along the lines of "as you get older your taste in music mellows out somewhat and you may like the Beatles then". Perfectly reasonable suggestion to me?
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What Johnny appears to be saying is that all metal is childs nonsense which you grow out of when you get taste and listen to proper music. Which is certainly narrowminded.
I think that's a big conclusion you're jumping to there. I interpreted the post along the lines of "as you get older your taste in music mellows out somewhat and you may like the Beatles then". Perfectly reasonable suggestion to me?
Yeah possibly, that's how I read it though, maybe I'm just too used to being told that I'll grow out of it :lol:
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When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles.
Sorry, but this narrowminded nonsense pretty much invalidates anything worthwhile you may have had to say.
The opposite of narrow minded, shows how much more open one becomes with maturity to the variations and different aspects of life. I couldn't take 20 more years of the modern metal scene which seems to either be angry people, or people that don't know how to handle their emotions.
The mainstream metal scene yes, but there are endless fantastic acts out there if someone makes an effort to look for them.
My real point though, was that almost every single person I know who is into metal (and I mean REALLY into metal, not folks that read Kerrang and follow their lead and nothing more, people that actually seek out new music and support the scene) generally have enormously varied tastes.
Thats my experience too, by and large, too. People that I know that listen to metal (there are quite a few) also, between them, listen to:
Jazz
Blues
Rock
Classical
Hip hop
Pop
Folk
Punk
Ska
Post rock
Grunge
Indie
Prog
Dance
Trance
And most like several of these (I'd stick my name next to 5 or 6)
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What Johnny appears to be saying is that all metal is childs nonsense which you grow out of when you get taste and listen to proper music. Which is certainly narrowminded.
I think that's a big conclusion you're jumping to there. I interpreted the post along the lines of "as you get older your taste in music mellows out somewhat and you may like the Beatles then". Perfectly reasonable suggestion to me?
:!:
Quite possibly
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When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles
Can be easily interpreted as immaturity (when you get older) and bias toward metal actively preventing you from liking other music (the metal thing subsides = allows other music in).
Obviously I dont want to put words in jonnys mouth, but thats how it looked at first glance to me.
Hopefully Jonny will clarify.
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Now now lads play nicely!
I didn't mean cos you listen to metal your immature.
Someone hit upon it, the anger thing does subside a lot plus your life experiences and who you meet will introduce you to other styles of music. I like some heavy metal but I'm not naive enough to come on a guitar players forum and start running down The Beatles and Paul McCartney as that is immature IMO and it's just resentment. He and his band put Britain on the world map as far as Music is concerned and all the other bands and styles owe them that.
Just have a listen to some of their music, be honest, is it really that shite that you have to post your opinions about it in here when you know it's going to offend other forum members? There are lots bands out that I can think of that really are terrible and deserve to be slagged off, but not The Beatles, no way.
Not to be compared with Oasis either.
I mean my sig does suggest somewhat that I do like Metal and playing it on my guitars! :roll:
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When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles.
Sorry, but this narrowminded nonsense pretty much invalidates anything worthwhile you may have had to say.
I believe the implication is that ones taste broadens and you get a greater appreciation of other styles of music.
Some people leave metal behind and others don't but thats up to the individual.
I do find this thread is a depressing thread, although I have no liking for McCartney a little research regarding pre Beatles popular music will sho how much they changed things. Popular music got smarter both musically and regarding subject matter.
Thats wasn't solely down to the prefab four, but they did most of the donkey work at the time.
The Beatles where definately more than I want to hold your hand and the ballads (as Revolver and the White Album demonstrate).
Anyway I'm tired of people looking to be offended (and to be honest who need to broaden their musical horizons)
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^ Before the beatles the songs in 'The Hit Parade' were 'K Sa rah Sa rah' ect so being young and hating that kind of cr@p, you can see why the beatles were so popular.
It's all relative as in years to come people will slag off stuff that people listen to now and write it all off as shitee.
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Now now lads play nicely!
I didn't mean cos you listen to metal your immature.
Someone hit upon it, the anger thing does subside a lot plus your life experiences and who you meet will introduce you to other styles of music. I like some heavy metal but I'm not naive enough to come on a guitar players forum and start running down The Beatles and Paul McCartney as that is immature IMO and it's just resentment. He and his band put Britain on the world map as far as Music is concerned and all the other bands and styles owe them that.
Just have a listen to some of their music, be honest, is it really that shitee that you have to post your opinions about it in here when you know it's going to offend other forum members? There are lots bands out that I can think of that really are terrible and deserve to be slagged off, but not The Beatles, no way.
Not to be compared with Oasis either.
I mean my sig does suggest somewhat that I do like Metal and playing it on my guitars! :roll:
Well, making a thread to slag off mccartney is fairly bad form, but there are two ways you can look at that:
1: Ignorance of musical and cultural contribution.
2: Personal taste of the OP.
Or combination thereof.
I'm not a beatles fan personally, and can see where hes coming from: a dislike of the beatles without acknowledging their contribution and influence.
Theres nothing whatsoever you can say about the former. You cant offer a post-dated cheque of "maybe you WILL like it", and you cant tell the person to like it (well, you can tell them if you want, but it wont work). But you can point out that its a pretty ignorant statement. The way I see it; I dont like the beatles music, but much of what I listen to lives in the wake of everything that they have done, so the beatles themselves get something of a free pass.
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Now now lads play nicely!
I didn't mean cos you listen to metal your immature.
Someone hit upon it, the anger thing does subside a lot plus your life experiences and who you meet will introduce you to other styles of music. I like some heavy metal but I'm not naive enough to come on a guitar players forum and start running down The Beatles and Paul McCartney as that is immature IMO and it's just resentment. He and his band put Britain on the world map as far as Music is concerned and all the other bands and styles owe them that.
Just have a listen to some of their music, be honest, is it really that shitee that you have to post your opinions about it in here when you know it's going to offend other forum members? There are lots bands out that I can think of that really are terrible and deserve to be slagged off, but not The Beatles, no way.
Not to be compared with Oasis either.
I mean my sig does suggest somewhat that I do like Metal and playing it on my guitars! :roll:
Well, making a thread to slag off mccartney is fairly bad form, but there are two ways you can look at that:
1: Ignorance of musical and cultural contribution.
2: Personal taste of the OP.
Or combination thereof.
I'm not a beatles fan personally, and can see where hes coming from: a dislike of the beatles without acknowledging their contribution and influence.
Theres nothing whatsoever you can say about the former. You cant offer a post-dated cheque of "maybe you WILL like it", and you cant tell the person to like it (well, you can tell them if you want, but it wont work). But you can point out that its a pretty ignorant statement. The way I see it; I dont like the beatles music, but much of what I listen to lives in the wake of everything that they have done, so the beatles themselves get something of a free pass.
I realise you can't make people like the beatles but to slag of McCartney and mock him is just naive in the extreme and I would also say they don't really understand music or its roots and history.
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Something I thought of today was that many people on the forum would clearly not "get" the Beatles and I don't mean to sound patronising but it is before their time and not relevant to them and that is fair enough. They will never mean the same to anyone who was not there at the time. The Beatles were about more than the music ( though their music would have been enough) and the doors they broke down for those that followed should not be underestimated.Not many artists before them wrote their own material ( a few did but the majority played and sang what they were told to). Having said that, I fully understand that they are not to everyone's taste( I know people who, to this day, divide themselves either into Beatles or Stones camps). OK, Paul can be a bit twee but, guys, he is nearly 65. Maybe he should retire, who knows, but that is up to him. Clearly the audiences are there. As for his post Beatle output. Yes it is patchy but there are some great songs there too but don't listen, just read the cr*p in the papers and watch what is on the news after all, that is what matters isn't it? Judge him by the media and forget his musical legacy. To me, however, he has nothing to prove. I most certainly would not demean other peoples tastes in music just becasue I didn't like it.
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I can't believe so many people here dislike the beatles, I think they're brilliant personally but each to his own i suppose.
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TBH, just a thought, there are far more irritating things that are worth 'avin a rant over, stuff that affects us every day.
Diesel in December: 90p
Now: 135.9 in places
Yeah, its off topic, but its an example of far more worrying things
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I like their rock 'n roll stuff in their early days.
But yeah, I'm in the Stones camp.
I think it all went wrong for the Beatles when they all went India with sitars and swami's.
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Now now lads play nicely!
I didn't mean cos you listen to metal your immature.
Someone hit upon it, the anger thing does subside a lot plus your life experiences and who you meet will introduce you to other styles of music. I like some heavy metal but I'm not naive enough to come on a guitar players forum and start running down The Beatles and Paul McCartney as that is immature IMO and it's just resentment. He and his band put Britain on the world map as far as Music is concerned and all the other bands and styles owe them that.
Just have a listen to some of their music, be honest, is it really that shitee that you have to post your opinions about it in here when you know it's going to offend other forum members? There are lots bands out that I can think of that really are terrible and deserve to be slagged off, but not The Beatles, no way.
Not to be compared with Oasis either.
I mean my sig does suggest somewhat that I do like Metal and playing it on my guitars! :roll:
Well, making a thread to slag off mccartney is fairly bad form, but there are two ways you can look at that:
1: Ignorance of musical and cultural contribution.
2: Personal taste of the OP.
Or combination thereof.
I'm not a beatles fan personally, and can see where hes coming from: a dislike of the beatles without acknowledging their contribution and influence.
Theres nothing whatsoever you can say about the former. You cant offer a post-dated cheque of "maybe you WILL like it", and you cant tell the person to like it (well, you can tell them if you want, but it wont work). But you can point out that its a pretty ignorant statement. The way I see it; I dont like the beatles music, but much of what I listen to lives in the wake of everything that they have done, so the beatles themselves get something of a free pass.
I realise you can't make people like the beatles but to slag of McCartney and mock him is just naive in the extreme and I would also say they don't really understand music or its roots and history.
Yeah, I agree.
I never slagged him off though ;)
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Yeah as 38th says I dont really "get" the beatles, they're a bit before my time and their presence doesnt seem to have much relevance to me. I was into them quite a bit for a short period of time but I got bored of them quite quickly, I think its the singing especially whoever it is on "Why dont we do it in the road". Annoying voice! However I do like a few of their songs just because they're well written and catchy :)
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Yeah, I agree.
I never slagged him off though ;)
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I know Mark your my fwend!! :huge:
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TBH, just a thought, there are far more irritating things that are worth 'avin a rant over, stuff that affects us every day.
Diesel in December: 90p
Now: 135.9 in places
Yeah, its off topic, but its an example of far more worrying things
Amen to that Will!
I mean that Shakin Stevens and his bleedin song Green Door, I mean the blokes a tw@t! :wink:
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I mean that Shakin Stevens and his bleedin song Green Door, I mean the blokes a tw@t! :wink:
I realise you can't make people like Shakin' Stevens but to slag off Shaky and mock him is just naive in the extreme and I would also say they don't really understand music or its roots and history.
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One thing I wish he would do is stop going on about how 'everybody should be a vegetarian' for whatever reason happens to be trendy at the time...
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One thing I wish he would do is stop going on about how 'everybody should be a vegetarian' for whatever reason happens to be trendy at the time...
Humans are omnivores, so if he doesn't eat meat, he is not human? :lol:
(Joke, not meant to cause offense to vegi's)
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I mean that Shakin Stevens and his bleedin song Green Door, I mean the blokes a tw@t! :wink:
I realise you can't make people like Shakin' Stevens but to slag off Shaky and mock him is just naive in the extreme and I would also say they don't really understand music or its roots and history.
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Don't get me started on Alvin Stardust! :lol:
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I like their rock 'n roll stuff in their early days.
I love all their early stuff - wish I'd seen them in Germany in those days :D
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I'm firmly in the Stones camp, but finally went to see McCartney in 2003 when he was touring the USA, on the basis that I might not get the chance again. All the Beatles stuff he did was great (though I am more of a Lennon fan), and some Wings was good, but some of the new stuff was almost Eurovision style. However his singing and playing were still great.
The other intersting thing was that we could see his teleprompter and everything was scripted (even the 'ad-libs'). My friend went to see him again later and it was the same show (same jokes and runing order).
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I like their rock 'n roll stuff in their early days.
I love all their early stuff - wish I'd seen them in Germany in those days :D
I liked the mid period Beatles stuff best (I think)
Rubber Soul- Revolver era
Same with the Stones from about 64-1971 era
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I'll never forgive Paul Mccartney for framing Gary Glitter & infecting Petra the Blue Peter dog with distemper... F**king B@stard!!!
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Does anybody else think that the White Album isn't a proper Beatles record, but rather a set of solo albums [albeit solo albums which the other Beatles play on] stuck together? :)
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^ If you think it sounds a bit disjointed it's probably due to the amount of LSD consumed whilst making it! There are some gems in there.
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I'll never forgive Paul Mccartney for framing Gary Glitter & infecting Petra the Blue Peter dog with distemper... F**king B@stard!!!
:lol: Posted at 03:17 late night drink Dave? :lol:
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^ If you think it sounds a bit disjointed it's probably due to the amount of LSD consumed whilst making it! There are some gems in there.
Oh yes, there are. I was just under the impression that they weren't talking while it was made.
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^ If you think it sounds a bit disjointed it's probably due to the amount of LSD consumed whilst making it! There are some gems in there.
Oh yes, there are. I was just under the impression that they weren't talking while it was made.
Probably talking to goblins!
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The White Album was a little disjointed and definately was during the period when the atmosphere in the band was vey poor.Ringo left the band during the sessions ( hence the drums on Back In The USSR being played by Paul) though in spite of it all, they manged to come together and get the double album out ( though George Martin has said that they should have cut some of the songs and produced a great "single" album). There is a lot of solo material (i.e. where the others played little or no part) and yet there are little signs of friendship (the lyric "The Walrus was Paul" in John's "Glass Onion").The album was follwed shortlly after with the "Let It Be" sessions/film but amazingly after all that, they went on to make Abbey Road though by then they'd pretty much decided that they wer egoing to split and all wanted to go out on a high though Let It Be was released afterwards.
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I don't think I could say that I don't 'get' the Beatles, and that they had a huge influence on Modern music, but I couldn't really get into them, they just weren't to my tastes.
Regarding Paul McCartney, I know its through no fault of his own, but if the man isn't constantly releasing amazing music, the media should stop feeding us a commentary of his life and focus on people who are actually breaking ground in music TODAY, and while I acknowledge his influence and everything, there are so many great, current bands who are creating amazing, innovative music and who receive not a shard of media recognition.
I have no gripe with the Beatles, but the media (including certain shitety magazines such as Rolling Stone, but thats a different matter) never cease to piss me off.
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The Beatles were the first "band"
they are not the first band, just the first mass marketed band, and hugely successfull one, I ask is that a good thing?
2 of them was murderd in thier own home,
nuff said.
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He and his band put Britain on the world map as far as Music is concerned and all the other bands and styles owe them that.
I thought the industrial revolution did....
and
The Knight's Templar....
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2 of them was murderd in thier own home,
nuff said.
Lennon was murdered by a nutcase in the entrance hall of the building where he lived. Harrison was attacked by another nutcase, in his own home as you said, but died of cancer two years later.
What does that prove?
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2 of them was murderd in thier own home,
nuff said.
The grammar and spelling here displayed make me want to stab myself in the eyes.
Aside for me being a Grammar Nazi, what the hell has that to do with anything anyway?
I thought the industrial revolution did....
and
The Knight's Templar....
Put Britain on the map in terms of music? :?
I do like the Beatles, but I do not buy the "they did so much for music and are untouchable critically" thinking.
Well, yes, they opened some doors, but you know what, if they hadn't, someone else would have. I think that goes for pretty much any and all musical innovators, someone else was pretty much always doing the same thing at the same time, it's as much to do with luck as to who goes down in history and who gets picked up quick after the first one starts making waves.
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Well, yes, they opened some doors, but you know what, if they hadn't, someone else would have. I think that goes for pretty much any and all musical innovators, someone else was pretty much always doing the same thing at the same time, it's as much to do with luck as to who goes down in history and who gets picked up quick after the first one starts making waves.
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Well, yes, they opened some doors, but you know what, if they hadn't, someone else would have. I think that goes for pretty much any and all musical innovators, someone else was pretty much always doing the same thing at the same time, it's as much to do with luck as to who goes down in history and who gets picked up quick after the first one starts making waves.
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Well, yes, they opened some doors, but you know what, if they hadn't, someone else would have. I think that goes for pretty much any and all musical innovators, someone else was pretty much always doing the same thing at the same time, it's as much to do with luck as to who goes down in history and who gets picked up quick after the first one starts making waves.
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But we'll never know, will we? As it turnd out, it was the Beatles who opened those doors and that - to go back to the thread title again - is why Macca makes the news.
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Well, yes, they opened some doors, but you know what, if they hadn't, someone else would have. I think that goes for pretty much any and all musical innovators, someone else was pretty much always doing the same thing at the same time, it's as much to do with luck as to who goes down in history and who gets picked up quick after the first one starts making waves.
+1
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But we'll never know, will we? As it turnd out, it was the Beatles who opened those doors and that - to go back to the thread title again - is why Macca makes the news.
No we wont ever know and as I said, I do love the Beatles.
BUT, they're probably the biggest case of right place/right time the music industry has evr and quite possibly, will ever see.
Teenagers seeing new freedom after things calming down after WW2.
Teenagers having real disposable income for the first time ever.
Them being a very safe, friendly and above all WHITE face for black influenced music, saving parents from militantly opposing more overt music like Presley.
The invention of vinyl records allowing music to be distributed like never before.
and dozens of other things that just led to the circustances being absolutely bang on for their massive success. Without a shadow of a doubt had The Beates been formed a decade earlier or later, hell, five years or later, the chances of any of us knowing who they were are almost zero.
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i dunno, i mean you could say that almost everyone has been in the right place at the right time at some point or another... i mean we're all lucky that we were born after the electric guitar was invented, for example.
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He and his band put Britain on the world map as far as Music is concerned and all the other bands and styles owe them that.
I thought the industrial revolution did....
and
The Knight's Templar....
Oh John Lennon invented the spinning jenny did he? Was it Ringo who started the knights templar in order to find the holy grail?
No.
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He and his band put Britain on the world map as far as Music is concerned and all the other bands and styles owe them that.
I thought the industrial revolution did....
and
The Knight's Templar....
Oh John Lennon invented the spinning jenny did he? Was it Ringo who started the knights templar in order to find the holy grail?
No.
Johnny you twonk... I told you at our last Freemasons meeting that it was Pete Best who was the direct descendent of Jesus that's why when the beatles joined the Church of Satan they replaced him with Ringo.. Pay attention next time.
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He and his band put Britain on the world map as far as Music is concerned and all the other bands and styles owe them that.
I thought the industrial revolution did....
and
The Knight's Templar....
Oh John Lennon invented the spinning jenny did he? Was it Ringo who started the knights templar in order to find the holy grail?
No.
Johnny you twonk... I told you at our last Freemasons meeting that it was Pete Best who was the direct descendent of Jesus that's why when the beatles joined the Church of Satan they replaced him with Ringo.. Pay attention next time.
dam...I knew it all along, I'm too late now.
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2 of them was murderd in thier own home,
nuff said.
The grammar and spelling here displayed make me want to stab myself in the eyes.
Aside for me being a Grammar Nazi, what the hell has that to do with anything anyway?
it's to do with the Beatles? the remaining Beatles are the worst 2... that was my underlyning point... :wallbash:
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it's to do with the Beatles? the remaining Beatles are the worst 2... that was my underlyning point... :wallbash:
I'm not a McCartney fan, but I've been pretty amazed by all the negative feeling towards him in this thread.
Now what the hell has Ringo done to bother you so much? :roll:
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it's to do with the Beatles? the remaining Beatles are the worst 2... that was my underlyning point... :wallbash:
I'm not a McCartney fan, but I've been pretty amazed by all the negative feeling towards him in this thread.
Maybe everybody's been listening to 'How Do You Sleep?' too much... :)
Now what the hell has Ringo done to bother you so much? :roll:
Narrating Thomas the Tank Engine? :?
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ringo did a good job narrating thomas the tank engine! :evil:
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ringo did a good job narrating thomas the tank engine! :evil:
I agree, I just can't think of anything else he's done in the last 20 years. :)
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Narrating Thomas the Tank Engine is by far and away the man's greatest achievement!
McCartney just disappeared so far up his own anus, it's untrue. Anyone who can put "Frog chorus" and "yellow submarine" on their CV should, quite frankly, be shot. Now wait, I've come up with this concept somewhere before, haven't I? :D
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ringo did a good job narrating thomas the tank engine! :evil:
I agree, I just can't think of anything else he's done in the last 20 years. :)
in my defence i was probably between 5 and 8, so famous people's great achievements for me during those times revolve around kids' programmes and/or toys. :lol:
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Narrating Thomas the Tank Engine is by far and away the man's greatest achievement!
McCartney just disappeared so far up his own anus, it's untrue. Anyone who can put "Frog chorus" and "yellow submarine" on their CV should, quite frankly, be shot. Now wait, I've come up with this concept somewhere before, haven't I? :D
Now, the Frog Chorus is why God sent Heather Mills.
But Yellow Submarine's not bad...
At least it isn't Obladi Oblada... :)
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Obladi Oblada is the best Beatles song! :P
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I almost forgot aobut 'Ebony and Irony' and the best EVER is 'Wonderfull Christmastime' it actually makes me feel physically sick, if you ever want to abuse someone and make them bite thier own tongue off, get them drinking cheap wine and play 'Wonderfull Christmastime' 100 times through an 80's getto blaster...good times!
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I almost forgot aobut 'Ebony and Irony' and the best EVER is 'Wonderfull Christmastime' it actually makes me feel physically sick
I can't disagree with you this time. And let's not forget "The Girl is Mine", although Jacko should take the lion's share of the blame for that...
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Yeah, I agree.
I never slagged him off though ;)
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I know Mark your my fwend!! :huge:
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