Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Joe Dorcia on September 09, 2005, 11:14:00 AM
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Setting the scene: My band are doing a favour for a friend and being a backing band for this talent competition (a serious one though, not some cr@ppy school one) and as a rsult have to play evanescence (Bring me to life and my immortal) - easy songs. Since we have to look that part (and me and my bro play strats and teles) we wen down to a music shop (cant disclose which) to borrow 2 Ibanez/Jackson style guitars so we would fit in. They had a Ibanez RG550 and RG262 QM with DiMazio/Ibz pups. I decided to test them through an amp similar to mine - so i used a tsl. Low mids, lots of gain and presence for that smooth, cutting metal sound they have.
As we all know, a marshall TSL has relatively a lot of gain and can punch out the pinch harmonics. However, when i sat down with the first Ibanez (RG550) i was horrified. This guitaris lifeless and dull. There's no weight to the guitar making it feel thin. The pups were rubbish and the neck was thin and hard to play. The strings felt too close together (for me) and i couldnt hit a pinch harmonic at all.
Next, the RG262 w/ DiMazios. This sounded promising, but, guess what? It was probably worse! So lifeless and flat. With little thin .9's on it that i good bend off the guitar and put my head through the gap.
Overall they were terrible guitars. We're still gonna borrow them, and are very thankful of the shop for letting us do so as they dont hire out gear.
Has anyone owned or still does own one of these? I can see why you put BKPs in them too, lol.
As a strat played I could still get a good tone out of both my sets of stock pups and could get good pinch harmonics. I use .11's so that could be a factor, and now, using my BKPs in both of my strats, my standards will have been raised lol, but still, I ibanez's shouldnt sound that cr@p should they??
I mite just be picky.
Joe
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It's all a matter of taste really. I have an RG1550 and i love it to death. I might change the pups to BKP but right now i'm pretty happy with the sound it has. The neck is perfect for my style of playing and i just love the feel of the whole guitar. The guitar you played might of just had bad action and personaly i don't like the TSL series, i think they are too thin and raspy for what they are surposed to do.
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My mates got an Ibanez RG, and I can't say I dig it that much. Joe, what feature do you think gives these Ibanez guitars such lifeless tones?
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I've got to chime in as I've got two old original RG550s
IMHO Ibanez don't make guitars as good as they did in the later half of the '80s up to about '94/5
About 1999 I went out to buy an RG550, they were all horrible, not a patch on my mates early RG550. Rg550s can be dull if they don't have a maple fingerboard, you can't buy one now and the stock pickups aren't as good now as they were back then. RG550s are bright sounding guitars, and should feel responsive, resonant and dynamic, with the maple board they're the perfect 80s rock axe - they scream. I did have a RG565 with a rosewood board - not as good a tone as the maple boards.
Here's part of the theory - 1990 an RG550 was about £500, about the price of a good top line US Strat plus. I don't buy into any excuse about modern manufacturing lowering the cost, they're built cheaper and feel cheaper.
Prestige models are a little better, but not a patch on the old custom shop axes. The JS and JEM range feel like toys, they used to feel, well, expensive, like a US Jackson or top line ESP. Oh and I prefer the original Edge trem and Lo Pro edge over the newer trems.
Try an old one, I'll drag mine to Music Live, try that, everybody who does offers to buy it, and I got it for £50 in bits! Proof enough for me that they don't make 'em like they used to.
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to be honest my Gibbo LP was poor aswell, it was new and after playing it in, i found a few dead spots on the neck, and it kept going out of tune when left overnight...
quality on production guitars is hit and miss in my experience, i played a cheap Yamaha RG something or other which smoked a £600 RG550...
The 80s guitars seemed so much better, guy in my local shop used to have a mid 80s Kramer American, it was as new and awesome! He then got a modern ESP MII in a trade for some stuff, and it was shite (and it wasnt an LTD model!) and promptly sold on!
And i had a late 80s Model 4a charvel AND a 2000ish one (when they started them up again, with the SD live wire hbs)... there was no contest, the older one was good!
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HJM has it again; the old RG550 was an awesome guitar. I think that the price point pressure brought about by so many guitars coming out of the far east has made the major manufacturers make sacrifices to stay competitive on price. Another point to consider is that if you are a habitual strat user the Ibanez neck will feel very slim and very alien. There's a considerable "acclimatisation period" required to make this kind of shift in neck profile but most people find the Ibanez neck faster once they've used it for a while. I'm an old git brought up on necks that are like half a telegraph pole but I use a neck that is close, in profile, to the original ibanez wizard now. Another factor is that factory built guitars use body blanks made up out of 3, 4, or 5 pieces of stuff I would throw in the bin. This kills tonal qualities that can only be offset by using a "bright" neck, as HJM says and/or really good quality hardware.
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I <3 Ibanez. Currently I dont own any but I have and really liked them.
I agree that the newer RG's arent as good as the old ones i've played but the New S series and SA guitar always play and sound wonderful.
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I can't recall having ever played an Ibanes, but I'm suprised to hear that they've gone downhill.
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It is a sad fact that most new production guitars we see all seem to need a fret dress within a pretty short period of time. This can radically improve their playability . It may only be the lightest of skims across the frets and a LOT of careful attention to bringing the frets back to a smooth beautiful dome shape and ensuring that the fret ends are nicely smoothed and don't foul the hand.
In particular we see a lot of new Gibson's for this treatment.
We recently had an awesome Ibanez J Custom in and THAT was a nice guitar .
Some of the recent Jems just haven't seemed so special, and I DO feel that HJM is right and that RG550s before 1990 are a damn sight better.
Sure - good pickups can improve things but if the guitar doesn't sound good acoustically then it stands less chance of being awesome when amped up.
I always tell friends to play guitars without plugging them in when chosing them in a store or secondhand. Choser the one that feels good and sounds good unplugged.
Add good pickups to that guitar and it will sing like a bird.
Sometimes guitars don't sound good because of poor hardware, or on floyd equipped guitars because the knife edges are blunt or the floyd is a cheap one made from a poor type of metal.
When I build guitars for players I wont skimp on hardware where there is a choice - it is not worth it and it WILL lessen the tone
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I must have tried dozens of Ibanez guitars and I've seen too many bands to list using them. I always found them cararacterless, no soul in them. Maybe it's the pickups?
Any way, this band was playing. No one responded. He swapped his Ibanez for a custom or homebuilt Les Paul and the (dance)floor was full within 2 minutes.
The Ibanez was dull and lifeless....clinical. The LP sounded great.
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kids nowadays overrate ibanez's so much, but if I'm gonna get a superstrat I'll get the real thing - a Jackson
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kids nowadays overrate ibanez's so much, but if I'm gonna get a superstrat I'll get the real thing - a Jackson
Yeah but even they aren't what they used to be :cry:
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So who are the sinners and saints of production guitar quality control?
I hear alot of bad things against Gibson but Fender (which were notorious for being c**p in QC in the early 80s) seem to get off lightly these days. Is it that the big F have improved or do people just expect their guitars to buzz and rattle at all actions?
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Gibson have been shite for me - they seem to set the saddles not for intonation, but so they look good in a nice diagonal line. I mean, WTF? I'm spending £1000 a guitar, i think intonation is important to me! :twisted:
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So who are the sinners and saints of production guitar quality control?
I hear alot of bad things against Gibson but Fender (which were notorious for being c**p in QC in the early 80s) seem to get off lightly these days. Is it that the big F have improved or do people just expect their guitars to buzz and rattle at all actions?
When I got my Am series strat it was ordered so it hadn't been taken out of the case at all when it was in the shop, and it was set up absolutely perfect - intonation, action etc - played fantastic. This is also bearing in mind it came from America and I got it sent here to the UK, you hear stories about Gibsons that are made in the US and bought in the US (so didn't fly across the ocean) and played like cr@p.
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I vote for buying up the good guitars from the 80s (or whatever period) and getting them pimped out to really perform - or go total custom built.
the first step is to ensure that all the hardware is solid and that the guitar sounds good acoustically. Then get a set of BKPs, and if needed get a new lick of paint or have it refretted (do a Johnny Mac!)
OK- I'm spoilt because I can do all this to my own guitars, but some of the secondhand stuff that does the rounds has SO much potential that just needs unlocking
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:D OK for the record i owned a ibanez RG470 i tried ibanez guitars back in the day & HJM is right the earlier models are far better this was because they were trying to establish the brand as the Big one ie bigger & better than Gibson, Fender etc care & attention went into there quality control but since the`ve become so big as with Gibbo, Fender etc the QC has gone down hill. it`s also fair comment to make that Jackson/Charvel are all S**t build quaity as well again you need to find one from the 80`s in order to get a good`un.
there`s also another issue, most kids don`t have a lot of money so in order to keep costs down manufactuers have started to build guitars down to a cost. this is why so many shops only sell either cheap guitars or really expensive ones. theres no inbetween guitars £800 - £1400 price range.
:D 8)
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So who are the sinners and saints of production guitar quality control?
I hear alot of bad things against Gibson but Fender (which were notorious for being c**p in QC in the early 80s) seem to get off lightly these days. Is it that the big F have improved or do people just expect their guitars to buzz and rattle at all actions?
Reverend is deffinately a saint when it comes to QC. The instument was flawless when it arrived. But then, it's a small company.
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Ok guys, now i've noticed one thing everyone has said.
1. Ibanez PUPs are now cr@p
2. Fretting and action are terrible out of the factory, but the two i played were (i think) set up by the tech there to they are good (cheers kev).
3. Older models are always better in pretty much any long-term manufacturer - this excludes the CBS period of Fender obviously.
But why is it that they have gone so downhill?? Corperate buyouts maybe? Although they still employ good luthiers for high-end stuff, the guitars meer mortals can afford is made by machines in Mexico, Japan, Korea etc. What your forgetting is that computers can make a guitar to higher quality than any human, it wouldnt be unique, but it could be perfect. CNC machining makes accuracy extremely high and cost-efficient. The stuff done badly, eg fretting, setups etc, your local tech or you can sort out.
Pups too can be sorted for £100 or so off BKP, easy!
I think the problem lies in the wood, which FYI no one has mentioned. Wood quality has become so poor over the past 10 years, mahogany especially, and is now nearing the extinction list (its on a list but not the extinction list yet i think) and the wood being used is old tree stumps and the parts that no one wanted in the 'good old years'. Now manufacturers have to buy in what they can get, from tree farms around the world and when they get to the factorys, they are rarely checked over like they should be. Sometimes you can get looky and get a fantastic piece of wood in a run of the mill guitar, explaining all the mixed reviews of every guitar out there.
You can see this problem in any large company - lets take fender (coz i own 2) I have a MEX strat, pretty light, made of ash, nice guitar, i love to play it - thi of course will have little Quality control on the raw wood. But compare it too my USA strat, and you will see the difference wood makes. It's heavier and has a much better, fuller tone, again made of ash. It is just a better guitar, because of the extra care taken over wood choices.
Elliot Wrote:
So who are the sinners and saints of production guitar quality control?
I hear alot of bad things against Gibson but Fender (which were notorious for being c**p in QC in the early 80s) seem to get off lightly these days. Is it that the big F have improved or do people just expect their guitars to buzz and rattle at all actions?
Try a Suhr guitar. They are technically perfect by every means. But play one and you may fid them sterile and lifeless. No one knows why! They may just be too perfect. Its the same for me with PRS and Tyler and everyone else like that. They spend so much time making amazing finishes, the tone of the guitar seems to go, weird. If anyone else can shed some light on this i want to learn, lol. As my drummer says, "its the imperfections make it beautiful and unique."
I hope this has helped.
Please post if you disagree, the truth about manufacturers MUST BE TOLD!
Cheers,
Joe
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That's a very good point
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If you want more info about manufacturers that are 'scamming', check out the rants on Ed Roman's webpage. Don't take them too seriously but they're great fun to read.
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:D Most new guitars are not made of Mahogany. The wood that seems to be the " in vogue" wood is Bass wood. Ibanez use this wood quite abit. only the high end prestige ibanez stuff uses Mahogany. Again as was pointed out on an earlier reply you don`t no what type of metal componds are being used to make much of the hardware that these guitars use. & as has been pointed out on the Ed Roman site many guitar manufacturers have there guitars made by the same factorys which means there probably useing hardware thats universal.
As for new guitars sounding sterile P/Us will play a part in that just listen to any of the SD range ! remeber it also takes a while for the woods used to settle + as wood gets older the sound properties it produces change. if what you hear in your head is the sounds after the wood has settled then maybe you should be looking to by second hand instead.
:D 8)
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Obviously I'm talking about a different animal, but I can't fault my new Ibanez AXS32 (set-neck, double cutaway). It's got a slightly less organic feel than my old Gordon Smith GS2, but is very nice nonetheless. Lots of life in the wood, easy to play apart from slight neck-heaviness. The frets are well dressed and the neck wasn't dry at all, so maybe it had a setup in the shop (Thomann.de), but whatever the case it was good straight out of the box.
I always thought that for quality and consistency, companies like Ibanez and Yamaha couldn't be faulted. I certainly have seen nothing to make me think otherwise
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I'd say Yamaha are ahead - I had a pupil with a new Ibanez recently, at the 24th fret the top e was off the fretboard.....
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Thats aweful HJM. As ya'll may or may not know, I think that in either Taiwan or Korea (i forget which one, all the lines of manufacturers get so blurred) there are two huge factories. One makes nearly every guitar that comes under the sun, the other makes everything else u buy!
Ed Roman is definately a good/funny site, i found it when looking for "unique guitars" on google. But, for me, they all look to OTT. I still prefer classic looking guitars, LPs, Goldtops, Strats in white or 50's sunburst (or PINK, they look sweet). Of course if you could actually get a 50' or 60's strat, or a really old Gibson, you would have to have a good £5000 spare. It's such a shame guitars got so commercial, 'everyone' plays a guitar these days, but no-one seems to play a guitar 'well' or play a 'good' guitar. In my eyes a good guitarist can play powerful, melodic parts to make a song better (not just a solo for the sake of one, nor just metal shredding scales) as well as knowing all about their guitar(s). Like most ppl on this, you take time to find the right guitar, build up a collection of different tones/styles and make them play the best that they can. eg TO's custom finishes and necks, Felines Custom builds, tailored to his (or the customers) needs, or my strats, modded to give me exactly what i want.
I think the point im trying to say is, LEARN TO CHANGE KEY! lol.
Cheers guys, i enjoyed this post, made me feel wise even theough im only a young'un. Thanks
Joe
PS Tomorrow im doing some recording with my drummer with 4 of my BKP guitars. These will include the following, all in clean and distortion with lead/rhythm parts:-
1USA strat with Mid + Bridge IT, 4 positions, mid, in series, in parallel, bridge
2MEX strat with Mid + Bridge Apache, 3 positions, mid, in parallel, bridge
3Mex Tele with Yardbrid Neck, Pile driver bridge, stanard wiring
4Custom Build with various combos or BKP-90 mid and Blackdog bridge with one or two mixed with the fender SC neck (i had it left over from the other strat)
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Well i have to disagree.
I have an Ibanez guitar, and I have quite a few friends with Ibanez's as well, so im not basing this on just my guitar. I would first off have to agree that Ibanez pickups are not the greatest but what other companies with guitars at that price have nice pickups. I think that manufactures like Epiphone install worst pickups on their guitars.
The wood quality i really don't think you should complain about. If you aren't going to pay for a £500+ guitar, then you shouldnt expect top quality wood. The starting range of Ibanez Prestige use basswood bodies, which allow the guitar to be light in weight, but thick in sound. I have an RGT2020 which is made out of mahogany, neck thru maple/bibinga neck with a rosewood fret board. My Ibanez has only been surpassed by very few guitars, mainly being hand built guitars such as Blackmachines, and PRS's.
I do how ever think this arguement is going nowhere because i completely understand where your coming from. I personally would never own a Gibson or Fender as i do not feel comfortable on them, and i do not feel comfortable paying through the nose because of the name. I think the necks on Gibsons are too fat and the laquer which comes on most necks is really horrible and becomes really slow to play. I also dont understand why you think that Ibanez have their string spacing too close to each other, as it is the same measurements as Fender spacing.
But as I say this is never going to be resolved, its down to a personal taste, i just felt i should give the otherside of the arguement.
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The Petrucci model had closer spacing, my RGs feel wider than my strats. :?:
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I agree with you lepersmeesa. It is all down to personal taste. I dont know why the strings felt closer together to me. It could just be coz of the radius of the neck. ITs a shame about wood quality and that fedner and gibson charge so much for a name. This is why I am learning to build guitars myself. I wasnt meaning to sound rude before about Ibanez's, i just got carried away as usual. Ah well.
As you say its all down to personal preference. Personally, I hate PRS guitars, to me they have no character, but mny people swear by them. This could be due to that fact that it dont like clean humbucker sounds. At the end of the day, we're all still searching for that perfect guitar, i just hope i can build one for me in this lifetime, lol
Thanks for the convo guys
Joe
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On the subject of the availabilty of high quality tonewoods there's definitely a world wide shortage of good stuff and companies faced with satisfying high volume demands at a competitive price are really in the poo. In the last 3 - 4 years the price of a Brazilian or Honduran mahogany body blank has increased by almost 300%. One piece swamp ash and alder bodies are getting hard to find and the price of quarter sawn maple, which to all accounts is still plentiful, is also rising. The totally ironic side of this is that countries like Brazil who are trying to protect certain species by not felling it for commercial purposes are doing nothing about the ranchers and farmers who are burning the stuff to make way for Soy crops and cattle. The far eastern guitar manufacturers are raping the Indonesian rain forests for timber to fill the gap but are not producing "quality" instuments in the process. This whole situation is what is contributing to the general decline in guitar quality. CNC machining doesn't make up for the use of 3, 4, or 5 piece bodies and the volume manufacturing need for "convenience fits" in the neck to body interface ensures that every now and then the E string will fall off the edge of the fingerboard.
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Limba is still available. It's an excellent tone wood. It's not a popular building material. The only thing it's good for is building guitars. I read that somewhere, correct me if I'm wrong.
Maybe we should be looking at other materials instead of wood in the future.
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I passed on some 300 year old Mahogany blanks four years ago, reclaimed from an old piece of furniture!
Is there any fast growing wood that's good for guitars??
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I have used Idigbo which is pretty much the same as Limba or Korina and it a great tonewood- my flying V is made from it.
Sounds great on bass too
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are there any guitar builders that use wood from sustainable sources? i'd sure be glad to pay an extra £100 to know my guitar wasn't driving mahogany to extinction
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kids nowadays overrate ibanez's so much, but if I'm gonna get a superstrat I'll get the real thing - a Jackson
Yeah but even they aren't what they used to be :cry:
That's what my local guitar shop were saying about new Jacksons. Try and get an 80's one or cheaper still a Charvel like my model 6.
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are there any guitar builders that use wood from sustainable sources? i'd sure be glad to pay an extra £100 to know my guitar wasn't driving mahogany to extinction
It's strange coz you dont here about it. The thing is theat their are many sustainable forests out there used for supplying, problem is, that they are either the wrong place to grow the right wood, or that they are currently being planted, so in a couple of decades time, we may have decent mahogany supply. Something should really be done but the corperationsare rolling in the profits of raping the forests and CNC labour, so they really couldnt care less.
As for alternative materials, its a trcky one. Theirs the ol' Hagstrom madel made of plastic (played by that C-word from Franz Ferdinand), and the Ampeg Dan Armstrong See-through guitars made from Perspex (lucite i think). And what HJM mentioned. Another alternative is using less popular woods, that may not have the tone you want but are plentiful, then using something like Carbon fibre towrap it in, to improve sustain and tonal clarity. Checck out http://www.gusguitars.co.uk, they use cedar bodies with carbon fibre wrap, they are very good sounding guitars and good to play, if not a little eccentric (maybe one for TO there;) )
Cheers
Joe
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are there any guitar builders that use wood from sustainable sources? i'd sure be glad to pay an extra £100 to know my guitar wasn't driving mahogany to extinction
Im pretty shure Organic do.
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I read this somewhere. Guitars are not responsible for the extinction of tree species. Guitars are only about 1% of the total wood consumption. Most wood is used for constuction and furniture.
Can anyone verfify or is it total b*ll*cks?
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I bet that's right, but I'm not sure it's correct to stick our heads in the sand and say "it's not us!" either though :cry:
The worst offenders are the mass production plants, we'll look back and think 90% of guitars were a waste of wood in 10 years time.... :cry:
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Yeah, there are some very good alternatives to the old tried and trusted stuff and I guess we'll see more of Korina, Bubinga and others when people get used to the idea of using them. It's all a matter of public acceptance. Plenty of top custom builders are using Korina already.
Actually Ibanez are one of the companies pioneering synthetic materials like Luthite. I also read an article recently about a violin made from a long string polymer; the resonant characteristics of which could be tweaked by controlling the amount of nitrogen in solution in the polymer. Where's it all gonna end? :roll:
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There's always Switch guitars, made from "vibracell", although I find it difficult to get past the ugly designs. They're supposed to be quite nice guitars though.
How about pine for a tonewood, maybe as a core with an outer layer of hardwood?
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well.. the #1 reason IMO why there is such a poor QC in the big names is, they are so damn big, they dont care for the low cost guitars anymore. in gibsons case, they dont even care past their historic/custom division
i've read so many horror stories about fretwork, binding, finish etc etc that i am put off of gibsons forever.
ibanez i will never own one, unless its an early 80's destroyer II
i'm looking for a fender that i can mod, but i dont want the price tag, so i'll go custom next year, just build the body and neck, i'll do the rest. they seem to be on and off.. some have had really a LOT of clearcoat on the neck and the nuts were cut badly, the others were realy nice, but the neck wasnt for me
the jacksons QC is getting better since the buyout, and i have played some really nice axes from them, but a couple dont mean all so i'm not saying they're better than everybody.. plus i'm biased haha
the LTD guitars however just flat out suck. i played some 50 of em that are around town and the setup from the fatory is pretty bad to start with. it being a 700$ guitar with 500$ worth of parts (tonepros, sperzels, gotoh EMG's etc etc) leaves very little for good wood and assembly
and also.. for going custom as you know i ordered me a rhoads guitar. it's still going to cost me a fair bit, but i will have 100% what I want. if you want a quality guitar get in touch of some independent guitar builders like Gajic and Feline. they will either make you a new part, make your existing ones better or order a fully new axe from them. it's going to be cheaper than the fender or gibson or jackson CS, but if you ask me, the guitar is going to be just as good, or even better
using dif tonewoods.. poplar is AFAIK one of the fastest growing trees around and the tonal signature is close to alder (in some cases even better)
i'm not to keen on ibanez basswood cos it sounds so flat and lifeless to me, but my charvel is supposedly made from basswood, or poplar, i dont know, cos i got 2 diferent answers from two very knowledgeable people.. anyway what was my point? forgot .. =P sorry
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There's always Switch guitars, made from "vibracell", although I find it difficult to get past the ugly designs. They're supposed to be quite nice guitars though.
How about pine for a tonewood, maybe as a core with an outer layer of hardwood?
pine i wouldnt use.. it's WAY too soft and flexible. imo it would just suck out all the sustain
birch on the other hand could be ok from a density and hardness point of view.
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:D Lets not get to carried away here, Ibanez make good guitars for the money they charge, no your not going to get a $2000 finish or hard ware on a $400 guitar ! You get what you pay for ! As for Jackson i can say from personnal experience when trying a cheapo Jackson against a cheapo Ibanez for a student of mine the Ibanez was head & shoulders better quality & better sounding than the Jackson !! which to be quite frank was utter S**T !!
As for different materials for guitars, i`ve just got back from Felines were Johnathon is building me a custom build he has put the thing together so i could hold & feel it & i can tell `ya right now the feeling you get from holding a well crafted piece of wood is wonderfull it`s very organic the problem will be trying to convince us guitarists not to use wood.
:D 8)
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After reading evryone's posts I realised no-one has mentioned BC Rich. Are Bc Rich's good quality? Or are they utter sh**e too? I noticed when on their website that they are starting to use Nato which is a type of eastern mahogany. I wonder if guitarist's will accept it as a replacement for real mahogany? Only time will tell I guess.
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their bronze (was it bronze) series is shite .. totaly
apart of that, i am not familiar with bc rich guitars
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BC Rich use plywood in the lower end of their range. Nuf said. I'm just finishing a guitar for Chrisola. Swamp ash, maple, Floyd Rose and BKP's. You won't be able to buy anything like it unless you go to an independant Luthier.
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BC Rich use plywood in the lower end of their range. Nuf said. I'm just finishing a guitar for Chrisola. Swamp ash, maple, Floyd Rose and BKP's. You won't be able to buy anything like it unless you go to an independant Luthier.
thats what i'm saying too
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The hand made BC Rich guitars are excellent. The NJ series aren't bad but not great either. Somehow they don't look quite right. But those hand made ones look gorgeous!
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I put a set of BKP tele pups in a ply Squire.... I was suprised at how good it sounded!! Testament to BKPs though methinks!
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+ 1 for that HJM. BKP's do rule. Wouoldnt it be nice if big companies realised y they were making guitars? oh well, it looks like the independant luthiers' days are soon to come. Very lucrative, mite get a hand in there,
lol
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Joe, 'don't know about lucrative; I met a friend who makes amazing concert guitars at a timber suppliers recently. I asked him how he was doing, his reply was "you know how it is; I'm poor but I'm happy"
'nuf said.
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his reply was "you know how it is; I'm poor but I'm happy"
'nuf said.
From that statement he is indeed a rich man :)
Kilby...