Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: hamfist on June 08, 2008, 09:58:24 PM
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Had a great gig with my new Rockerverb 50 today.
Had gain and the MV both at about noon (no attenuation) - through my 4x12. Remember this is a 50W tube amp. I was standing 6 feet in front of the cab.
I'll be honest, I didn't think it was that loud. :oops:
What's wrong with me ?
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You are clearly insane; call your GP. :wink:
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deaf or duff amp *L*
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You're deaf.
Sorry, I'll say that again...
YOU'RE DEAF!!!!
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:lol:
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You're just lucky and happy to have had a great gig !Nothing wrong! :)
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thats good - you must have had a very clear sound. it messed up/nastily distorted sound that appears to be loud and causes tinitus etc.
i agree that 50w of quality valve power might not seem that loud in a club situation too, after all the space is a bit bigger than at home
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My R500 cobo would make your trousers flap if it was that high!
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I think the key here may be the fact that you were 6 feet away from the amp.
If you had asked someone standing about 20-30 feet from the amp if it was quiet, I think you may have found that it wasn't.
Amps are built to project sound. I find that my Marshall TSL601 sounds so much .. bigger when I'm further away from it. I find this is the same whith the PA speakers we use, which are old Peavey Hisis ones.
Up close you dont get the full impact that someone standing further away gets.
I hope that makes sense. I've had a few beers .... :wink:
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Some good points made. Yes, I think that standing reasonably close to the cab did "protect" me from the sound a fair bit. Also the sheer quality and richness of the RV's tone made sure there was no harshness at all.
I don't think it's a faulty amp - I have been reading on the Orange forum that Orange's are fairly quiet for their stated wattage.
Anyway, it was nice to be able to play the amp right in it's sweet spot for the whole gig, with no attenuation. Simply great tone.
Even so, I'm sure my 50W Plexi at the same settings would have been deafening !
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Some good points made. Yes, I think that standing reasonably close to the cab did "protect" me from the sound a fair bit. Also the sheer quality and richness of the RV's tone made sure there was no harshness at all.
I don't think it's a faulty amp - I have been reading on the Orange forum that Orange's are fairly quiet for their stated wattage.
Anyway, it was nice to be able to play the amp right in it's sweet spot for the whole gig, with no attenuation. Simply great tone.
Even so, I'm sure my 50W Plexi at the same settings would have been deafening !
Do you get much gain out of your Plexi at house volumes? I can't get the 1959 to distort :P
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Plexis will only distort as the volume gets really high
Certainly not at home volumes.
A volume setting that in your bedroom would be deafening and give you a headache and ringing ears may well not do it at a gig
This is partly because of the bigger room- meaning that the sound pressure levels (SPLs) are way less
I worry more for guys in bands doing loud rehearsals in a 15'x15' room than guys playing at a pub or club venue -the SPLs in that room can get too much
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Plexis will only distort as the volume gets really high
Certainly not at home volumes.
A volume setting that in your bedroom would be deafening and give you a headache and ringing ears may well not do it at a gig
This is partly because of the bigger room- meaning that the sound pressure levels 9SPLs) are way less
I worry more for guys in bands doing loud rehearsals in a 15'x15' room than guys playing at a pub or club venue -the SPLs in that room can get too much
+1, this is what 90% of rehersal rooms are like, and it's not good.
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Plexis will only distort as the volume gets really high
Certainly not at home volumes.
A volume setting that in your bedroom would be deafening and give you a headache and ringing ears may well not do it at a gig
This is partly because of the bigger room- meaning that the sound pressure levels 9SPLs) are way less
I worry more for guys in bands doing loud rehearsals in a 15'x15' room than guys playing at a pub or club venue -the SPLs in that room can get too much
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We're VERY loud in rehearsals (post gain of 4 or 5 on my Peavey 5150-II full stack), and even with earplugs (I use some of the proper musician's ones), it can get quite bad after two hours of playing. I wouldn't DREAM of doing a whole practice without the earlugs, the amp just kicks out so much power!!
That said, my wife lost the hearing in one of her ears at our first gig. Came back a day later. O_o
Roo
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Do you get much gain out of your Plexi at house volumes? I can't get the 1959 to distort :P
Only with the judicious use of a PPIMV and a hotplate. Mine is quite a gainy amp really, and is noticeably overdriving with the channel vol on about 3.
There are a number of slightly different versions of the 1987 and 1959 circuits (they have the same pre-amps), and mine is about as gainy as they get. It has the split cathode arrangement and and other tweaks which make it slightly more gainy than other "Plexi's".
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I've found my friend's 50W rockerverb to be FAR quieter than my 50W JCM800; His rockerverb on full volume is about the same as my '800 on 4 (master volume at 11o'clock)
If we're jamming at home level volumes, he has his rockerverb on about 1-2 and i have my '800 on about 0.1-0.2, lol
The rockerverb in my experience is a great amp, and it's a bonus that it's not as loud as some others which are just ridiculous. It has a very rich and clear sound. Enjoy
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50w Marshalls are notorious for not actually being 50w. They're more like 70w. I don't know much about Rockerverbs but I'm assuming they're closer to 50w which would explain the difference in volume.
Edit: Just checked. Four 6v6s vs two El34s. That's the difference ;)
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I can believe this.
My Marshall 2550 Jubilee is not that loud. I regularly crank it up past half way. If the neighbours are out, I'll even turn it up at home.
My JCM 800 4010 1x12 combo, on the other hand, is louder than God. I did a gig the other day and still didn't get it past 2. Very frustrating. I played a couple of chords with it turned half way up. Sounded awesome. The rest of the band complained!
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I was under the impression that Orange measured their wattage differently. They measure the 'clean' output- hence why the Tiny Terror is a beast when cranked.
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I was under the impression that Orange measured their wattage differently. They measure the 'clean' output- hence why the Tiny Terror is a beast when cranked.
Not specifically orange, usually thats UK manufacturers I think?
The Matamp rating does seem very conservative however.
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My 50W 1975/6 MkII Marshall has 2 settings - off, and stupidly loud! I have to use a power brake almost everywhere we play and definitely everywhere we rehearse. I also have a 50W mid seventies Fender Bassman and it doesn't even come close to the Marshall for sheer volume and projection. I haven't found this to be the case with modern Marshalls though. I had to use a Vintage Modern at a gig last summer and I wished I'd brought my MkII along as the VM was stupidly loud and very toppy if you were right next to it (our organist nearly went stone deaf) but I couldn't hear a damn thing up the front.