Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Lew on June 09, 2008, 05:29:35 PM
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I chickened out of the Organic when I saw this. :lol:
It will be here in a couple of days.
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6220/suhrnw7.jpg)
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Is that a Suhr/Tom Anderson?
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aye Suhr
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/939/s54qo6.jpg)
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Love the color, but the pickguard kinda ruins it. You wanna be able to see as much of that nice top as possible, don't you?
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Love the color, but the pickguard kinda ruins it. You wanna be able to see as much of that nice top as possible, don't you?
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That wood is bloody lovely :) Just such a shame about the pickguard covering up most of it (I suppose I'm biased because I don't like pickgaurds, too :))
Roo
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i liek it a lot - but the scratchplate is a bit strange. might look great in another colour or with a trans black scratchplate (depending on what it looks like underneath!!)
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I could always get a see through pickguard made :lol:
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I think it looks AMAZING as it is! Keep the pickguard! How does it play/sound? I'm considering getting one...
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I chickened out of the Organic when I saw this. :lol:
It will be here in a couple of days.
I wouldn't call that chickening out! Nice one! :D
I think the scratchplate looks OK... maybe cream rather than white to match the "binding" better? You'd have to get it custom made though, I suppose.
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I also say ditch the pickgaurd!
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Get on of those transparant pickguards like on the Steve morse.
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Thanks for the replies :)
hhcave-I'll let ya know when it gets here ;p I like the way it looks too 8)
The last Suhr I had, had the same bridge pickup, it was quite toppy in an alder body, I may prefer it in this combo basswood/maple though!
Yea I would have to order the pickguard from Suhr I guess and pay an arm and a leg ;p
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1778/s53pq6.jpg)
mmmmm buzz light year tuning ;P
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I think the scratchplate looks OK... maybe cream rather than white to match the "binding" better? You'd have to get it custom made though, I suppose.
Good call! I think black and cream zebras would suit also.
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sweet! gotoh trem too, i noticed a while back that they'd switched to them, which is cool. :)
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sweet! gotoh trem too, i noticed a while back that they'd switched to them, which is cool. :)
Surely on a guitar fetching a price like that you'd expect an OFR?
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i think in the USA the gotoh is more expensive. plus he switched to the gotoh because he thought it's better than the ofr.
http://www.suhrguitars.com/bridges.aspx (about half-way down)
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I'm not a Floyd man, but I bloody love that! What a gorgeous guitar - stunning!
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What Dave said, John Suhr posted this over on HRI.
Question: This question is mainly for Mr Tyler and Mr Suhr but all opinions wanted ! In fitting and repairing locking tremolos since they came out, I've found the original Floyd to have deteriorated in quality to such a point that I want a better option …. And I think the Gotoh is it at the moment. The saddles and the locking nuts are a lot harder than the original Floyd’s are now, and I wondered why it is not on more guitars as OEM particularly as the price is also good.
Suhr: Gotoh is good and I will probably switch soon since the Floyds are really being made like ASS. We spend at least an extra hour on every Floyd bridge fixing things. Since both Schallers died it has been downhill from there I built some other companies guitar with the Gotoh and they seemed very consistent and well made.
Follow up Question: What are some of the issues you're seeing with the new Original Floyds ?
Suhr: You have a few days ?
• Sometimes the back of the saddle is too tall preventing the fine tuner from having a full range of motion.
• The way the string leaves the saddle it does not have a firm break off point, the string slides around in the saddle. This changes the intonation, buzzes and can just sound bad. We have to get a detail Dremel bit and re-contour the saddle with magnifiers on to see what we are doing. We have to do this on them all !
• Fine tuners pinched too course and are rough many times.
• Saddle heights can be uneven, requiring regrinding or shimming.
• Roll away at nut not correct making the string not leave the nut edge where it is supposed to leave. This also screws with intonation and the strings can buzz when played open.
• Casting bumps in the nut slots which have to be ground off, maybe one out of five.
• Saddle to rear section of the saddle is sloppy, this cause string buzz, saddle pin has to be removed and saddle pinched to tighten it up.
• Hold plates that hold the blocks up are not pushed up far enough so sometimes the screw pin doesn’t align up with the hole in the block and you wind up cracking the block.
• Sometimes the arms start to wiggle and there isn’t much you can do since the cap on top is snug.
I'm sure there are a few other things I'm leaving out ....
They are a pain, I wish Kahler would make Floyds again I have no idea what is stopping them since the patent has run out.
one man's meat/pinch of salt etc... 8)
I'd be interested in Jonathan and Wez's opinion, in my experience execution is key.
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I don't want to put words in his mouth, but i know that bob @ legra advised me to go with a gotoh floyd for my custom build. I've tried the OFR and Schaller in shops, but obviously that's not a long enough test to truly tell how good they are.
Thanks for the John Suhr post, that's very interesting. :)
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From reading that he sounds like a great guy. Anyone who says "Floyds are really being made like ASS" has to be a great guy.
I feel like quoting him.
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What Dave said, John Suhr posted this over on HRI.
Very interesting. And when he goes into such detail you can tell he's not merely slagging off the OFR to justify the choice of Gotoh.
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I could always get a see through pickguard made :lol:
Do that.
Then sell the guitar to me :twisted:
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That is one gorgeous guitar you have there - I LIKE the pickguard!
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One more ;P
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1421/s52pp8.jpg)
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OMG...really really want!
I'm curious how it would look with a black pickguard. When you get it take a pic with the 'guard off. :D
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One more ;P
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1421/s52pp8.jpg)
For some reason it looks nice with the white pickguard from this angle
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That thing is beyond nice :D
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I'd be interested in Jonathan and Wez's opinion, in my experience execution is key.
i havnt used enough to say much about it... but the gotoh is a great unit!!
people seem to think all licensed FR's are bad .... not true in this case
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i like the white pickguard. Keep it!
I don't believe you'd buy it without playing it first though!
EDIT: It's made of basswood you say? I'd have DEFINITELY played it before buying. :?
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I've owned a couple of Suhr's in the past, they can have faults/issues(I had one with a few)but playing well isn't one of them.
It's the same neck specs that was on my last Suhr and they are plek'd so I know what I'm in for 8)
Basswood with a maple cap is the tone, EVH's tone on carnal knowledge is a great example, Petrucci's recent stuff is another :D
Basswood Back / Quilt or Flame Maple Top – Okay, this may be the Holy Grail of tone. The Basswood response is extended by a 3/16" Maple top adding more clarity and grind to the fatness of the Basswood, this combination is our favorite!
http://www.suhrguitars.com/wood.aspx
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Beautiful guitar. And there ain't nowt wrong with Basswood.
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oh aparently the bridge pickup is not what I thought it was, it's alnico and it has a 17.5k output :o
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that is a beautiful guitar. i like the scratchplate, but i think a clear one might look even better! depends whether the guitar's front or back routed i suppose.
this talk of the OFR vs. Gotoh. does anyone know if the Gotoh will drop straight in as a replacement for an OFR? that is, without having to change the pivot post bushings or anything?
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Beautiful guitar. And there ain't nowt wrong with Basswood.
+1
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From reading that he sounds like a great guy. Anyone who says "Floyds are really being made like ASS" has to be a great guy.
I feel like quoting him.
that's what i thought. :lol:
Very interesting. And when he goes into such detail you can tell he's not merely slagging off the OFR to justify the choice of Gotoh.
my sarcasm detector's on the blink (and isn't guaranteed for internet forum work anyway- I don't think any are), philly, is this post serious or sarcastic? kinda hard to be sure which...
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people seem to think all licensed FR's are bad .... not true in this case
agreed. a licensed floyd you get on a £150 cheapo is probably made of papier mache, but something like a gotoh is a quality piece of kit.
:)
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that is a beautiful guitar. i like the scratchplate, but i think a clear one might look even better! depends whether the guitar's front or back routed i suppose.
this talk of the OFR vs. Gotoh. does anyone know if the Gotoh will drop straight in as a replacement for an OFR? that is, without having to change the pivot post bushings or anything?
if you're interested, i can look into it, but i think, from memory, that the gotoh studs/bushings/whatever you call them are marginally larger than the floyd ones.
http://www.floydrose.com/pdf/Floyd%20Rose%20Original_(route%20pattern,%20top%20view)MM.pdf (suggests the radius is 5mm, i think, which means diameter 10mm- i could be wrong, though)
http://www.wdmusic.co.uk/pub/files/pdf/1190042346_GE1996T.pdf (diameter of gotoh studs 11.3mm)
better check those links yourself, though, as i could be wrong. :)
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Dave's right, the Gotoh is slightly larger. But that's better than if the Gotoh were slightly smaller, in my opinion.
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this talk of the OFR vs. Gotoh. does anyone know if the Gotoh will drop straight in as a replacement for an OFR? that is, without having to change the pivot post bushings or anything?
The Gotoh bushings are a larger diameter than the OFR ones but since you already have the drillings in the body it's not a big deal to enlarge them. A pillar drill is best for this preferably with a Forstner bit since an ordinary twist bit will tend to bite into the sides of the existing hole making it hard to control particularly with a hand drill.
I'm sitting here with a big smile on my face at the moment contemplating all those past threads where I extolled the virtues of the Gotoh FR 2 over the OFR only to have my opinion impugned (that's the polite way of saying slagged off) by so many of you!!
Cheers,
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PS to my last note: I don't know why but a lot of the Gotoh FR trems I've had lately have had a 41mm deep sustain block. If you have a 45mm thick (standard Strat-ish) with a recessed trem rout then the 41mm sustain block will be too deep and will protrude from the rear of the body. This is easily fixed by removing the 3 screws that hold the base plate to the sustain block and then taking 3 or 4mm off the top of the sustain block leaving the machining on the bottom of the block as it is. Of course the easiest answer is to try and locate the 37mm version.
Cheers,
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Very interesting. And when he goes into such detail you can tell he's not merely slagging off the OFR to justify the choice of Gotoh.
my sarcasm detector's on the blink (and isn't guaranteed for internet forum work anyway- I don't think any are), philly, is this post serious or sarcastic? kinda hard to be sure which... :)
No, no sarcasm intended Dave, although I can see where you're coming from! :lol: . Maybe I spend too much time being sarcastic...
I've seen similar "and that's why we make it in China" explanations before, but I really don't think that's what John Suhr was doing! He really does go into a lot of detail. And that "Floyds are really being made like ASS" comment sounds far too genuine to be bullsh!t.
Besides, although I don't know anything about the Gotoh Floyd, I'm a big fan of their hardware generally. :)
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haha, thanks philly. I know what you mean, i was wary too as it could just have been an excuse to justify changing to the gotoh, but as you said, he does seem to go into too much detail for it to not at least have some truth in it. and you're right, any of the gotoh kit i've used has been excellent too (though i have the floyd as well).
:)
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I'm tempted to advise the only one I havent tried, actually - the gotoh.
Reason being, Bob @ legra, who built my awesome number one guitar, was a mechanical engineer for ~20 years before lutier, and he says they're the best engineered.
It was in a thread in here a while ago (I've never wanted bob to put a trem in the guitar I have, or one I nearly got built, so it wasnt in private exchange). Alas, I dont remember it.
- Wrong thread. Its early. I'll copy it in the right thread.
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I am a little Green, Suhr's look awesome. Really good purchase thinks does I.
Martin 8)
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I forgot about this beauty. Good god that color is unbelievable.
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I have used and enjoyed Gotoh Floyds a lot and I love them .
They are well made and have a few sensible design features of their own - the angled back fine tuners and how the arm tension is adjusted. It uses a hard steel plate for it's baseplate and has good knife edges which is all good stuff.
Gotoh also used to make the Ibanez Edge tremolo I believe and that was a well made bit of kit
I have not had the same problems that have been mentioned with Original Floyd Roses, but maybe I have been lucky
I always say if it works great then it's good, and you often get what you pay for (not always in the same sentence)
As ever on the internet there is a lot of reiterating & repeating of one (or more) person's viewpoint by folks who maybe don't have a first hand opinion on the subject being discussed.
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That guitar is the mutts nutts!!
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The guitar is aging well, I've not exactly been gentle with it :lol:
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The guitar is aging well, I've not exactly been gentle with it :lol:
Shame on you :shock:
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bah it's just a tool, albeit it a sexeh tool ;P
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wow, new amp and new guitar, someone received his xmas bonus early :O)
nice choices btw!!!!
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hah I got the guitar in june, MDV accidently bumped this to the top 8)
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Nice guitar!!!! :D
The pickguard... I'm not sure if I like it or not, I would try a perloid (but could look weird)... but if you like, it's done!
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It has grown on me, I wanted to change it at first but I really cba now. I do have a half naked 50s pinup girl on the pickguard though :lol:
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Man, i'd love that with a chrome pickguard...
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Getting a new guard for it , here's how it looks naked :lol:
(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/816/pb060005ue0.jpg)
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Man, i'd love that with a chrome pickguard...
Now THIS is a smart man!!!
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Don't like "naked" strats... :(
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Stunning guitar, but for something as sweet as that I'd get a platemade from flame maple, something in natural finish, that flame would be a contrast and yet complement the colour/flame of the body. Beautiful either way.