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Title: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: MDV on June 24, 2008, 10:14:37 PM
This is the intro to my latest track. Its enttitled Universal Truth (Lies Here).

Cleans:

Cold Sweat Split left
Irish tour neck and middle wired in series right

Harmonics: Monster Miracle Man (Very much out of character application for quite possibly/probably the most powerfull BK out there! - you'll see)

Distorted: C-Pig 4-tracked.

All of its though a Vox tonelab LE.

(Excuses: I know some parts are shoddy, like the harmonics, but its just a rough draft: most of it isnt even written yet (just ideas)

Enjoy!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3702469/Universal%20Truth%20%28Lies%20Here%29.mp3

Newer version. More ideas. Somewhat skeletal, IMO (though, my vocalist loves it as is *shrug*)

Oh, all distored rhythm guitars are still C-Pig. Harmonies are Monster-MM
Title: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: BigK on June 24, 2008, 10:35:58 PM
three things:

1. Thats Awesome!

2. It's Got me gassing for a tonelab LE and a C-pig.

3. I want to hear the rest!
Title: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: MDV on June 24, 2008, 10:49:33 PM
:lol:

Thanks mate!!  8)

Oh, I should add: the drums are just sketch drums. Hence the extreme sparsity of cymbals. DFH Sup. The cold sweat is a neck, in case its not obvious.
Title: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: _tom_ on June 24, 2008, 11:03:25 PM
Good tone and I liked the riffage :) Only thing with the tone is it sounds a bit dull/compressed for my taste - with a bit less gain/more treble or mid I think itd sound awesome. Got me gassing for a tonelab again :x
Title: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: il˙ti on June 24, 2008, 11:05:08 PM
Sounds great too me! I don't really like single coil clean alltogether so obviously I'm biased on that, but I'm sure it sounded very good. Reminds me of "Repentence" off DT's latest album.
Title: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: opprobrium_9 on June 25, 2008, 07:15:45 AM
The cleans sound divine.  However, i have to strongly agree with Tom on this one and say that the distortion is way too sterile and compressed.  If you are still using the Powerball, i should think you could get more three-dimensionality out of the tone.  For me, the harmonics sounded kind of weird.  At first they were kind of interesting, but as the song came along they seemed to get weirder and weirder, out of place really.  They tone on them sounded good, but their placement didn't seem to suit the rest of the music.  I think if you pushed that distorted tone into the 3-D area this would be a lot stronger.  Good work!  It is inspiring, i have been feeling a little down about my playing recently, but this is a good inspiration for me.  :)
Title: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: MDV on June 25, 2008, 09:57:24 AM
Cheers guys. Thank you especially for the comments on the tune!

The sound is a little too dark, but its supposed to be, and its supposed to be compressed. Its meant to be taught and tense - dark tone with compression (which is a property only of the amount of gain used, which was actually very, very modest)

However, I referenced it round my other gear a bit, and it is a little darker than I might like too. Not much (matter of taste, obviously), but it is. so I made a slightly brighter version. I cant upload it at the moment though - I'm at work.

Opp-9, I'm not using my powerball, in my flat, to rough tracks out! Maniac. When its done, I'll record it with that (when the guy below me goes on holiday or something! - he doesnt mind 20 or 30 minutes here and there, but all day might be pushing it a bit  :lol: )
Title: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: Johnny Mac on July 02, 2008, 07:06:00 PM
The riff sounds great and was expecting a massive crushing tone when it kicked in. It sounds like the amp is behind a wall or something then miked up.
Cool playing though.
Title: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: FernandoDuarte on July 03, 2008, 05:54:47 PM
Nice tones and song!!!! Keep forward to make these "ideas" a song
Title: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: MDV on July 04, 2008, 06:39:16 PM
Thanks fellas!

Newer version is in the original post, if anyones interested?
Title: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: opprobrium_9 on July 04, 2008, 07:54:26 PM
The distortion sounds quite a bit better now!!

EDIT:  verse 2 the second time around is $%&#in awesome man!
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: MDV on July 06, 2008, 07:53:57 PM
The distortion sounds quite a bit better now!!

EDIT:  verse 2 the second time around is $%&#in awesome man!

Thanks dude  8)
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: il˙ti on July 06, 2008, 08:02:20 PM
That was really good. Monstrous riffs and great build-upping.
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: Lazy_McDoesnothing on July 07, 2008, 01:49:29 AM
It kind of reminds me of Down for some reason.  It sounds good, I really want to hear it after it's more developed and with a proper drum track, good job!
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: indysmith on July 07, 2008, 01:21:37 PM
Heavy 8)
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: MDV on July 07, 2008, 02:23:18 PM
Thanks folks  :D
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: Ibanez2570z on January 08, 2009, 12:42:43 PM
Great song and tone as an idea. Obviously your going to work further and harder on it.  :guitar4:

Awesome didn't realise you were registered on here. You can guess who I am as I also use the Warpig and Cold Sweat in an Epiphone guitar haha :P
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: MDV on January 08, 2009, 10:26:02 PM
Great song and tone as an idea. Obviously your going to work further and harder on it.  :guitar4:

Awesome didn't realise you were registered on here. You can guess who I am as I also use the Warpig and Cold Sweat in an Epiphone guitar haha :P

Threadnomancer!

Yeah, this is getting an overhaul with the rest of them. Just waiting on my 4-way splitter, SD twin tube mayhem and re-amp box to realise my new recording method/s. (Hint - 4 trackings a pain and so's having to find and stick with a tone or replay everything when you find a better one)

Welcome to the boards, Craig :D
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: Ibanez2570z on January 09, 2009, 01:09:37 PM
So the reamp box. I understand this part because the output of a guitar pick-up is entirely different from the output of professional recording equipment. What is the purpose in simple terms like why do you need one apart from what is mentioned above?. You can record without out one so what does it do specifically?

SFX-04 Twin Tube Mayhem LOOKS impressive.

 PDT_002
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: MDV on January 09, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
I spend hours faffing with sounds and never get any playing done.

If I record a direct signal from the guitar to my RME then I can use the reamp box to take a line level signal back out of the RME later and into anything with a high-z input for pickups (amps, preamps, modellers) later. This means you can focus on getting good takes and change the sound to whatever you want later.

With that and my splitter I can line into (in orginal takes or reamped recordings) any combination of 4 of my bits of kits and record the same take with loads of different combinations of gear and settings without having to play it perfectly again and again, which gets very time cosuming and is hard work!

Between this and my PB, 4 mics, tonelab LE, Pod XT, JD10, TTM, Vox VTXL and an amp that HTH and I are going to hammer out, I should be able to realise my ultimate plan - double track through 2 or more things at once so I can use lower gain for clarity, but have the sounds add for thickness and blend two or more tones in a way that plays to the strengths of the seperate tones and masks their weaknesses, rather that do the same with 4-tracking, which is also onerous to get all the takes to be good and very unforgiving, since two tracks panned in a stereo field can tollerate maybe 5 to 10ms of differential in attack, but out of the same speaker even less that 5ms between note strikes fouls the attack of both notes and makes muddy sloppy sound (yes, I've measured this by zooming in in cubase on what sounds synced and clear and what doesnt).
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: Muzzzz on January 17, 2009, 03:30:14 AM
Wow! This shite is good! Very Isis-esque post-metal vibe to it all.
Top Stuff!
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: MDV on January 18, 2009, 06:28:15 PM
Thanks dude :D

(I lOVE Isis)
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: dave_mc on January 18, 2009, 08:32:11 PM
that sounds pretty good. :) giant file, though, took me ages to successfully download it (and that was just the intro!)...

sounds a wee bit like corrosion of conformity, maybe?

:)
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: MDV on January 21, 2009, 12:55:41 AM
Cheers bud

I can see how you'd see coc in there. Not the vibe I was going for, but yeah. That said one of my tracks has been compared by different people to Isis, battles-but-with-distortion, korn (ewwwwww!), early machine head and a couple of others I forget. I can only discern from that that it doesnt really sound like anyone :lol: (A full rework of that track is on its way! The old version is kicking round on here somewhere, but its changed. A lot. Will post up when ready).
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: WeavingSpider on March 13, 2010, 01:06:47 PM
Are you in a band?
It's truly an inspiration-song for me...
Loved the tone__
Which guitar are you playing? (sorry if you already mentioned it...I've lost it!)
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: MDV on March 13, 2010, 01:23:12 PM
Thank you :)

Doesnt look like I have a band any more - the vocalist that was the only other even slightly active member said he doesnt want to do vocals any more (odd you should ask, as he said this just last night), so Invective (as I'm now calling it, rather than Mortal Coil) is a solo instrumental project (something I decided barely an hour ago).

That of course means the tracks are going to have to be re-written to stand alone without tailoring the structure for vocals, but all the better.

If you liked that there are a couple of other rough tracks

http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19791.0

http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13664.0

All of them use my Legra MDV602 http://www.legraguitars.co.uk/mdv602.htm and memento mori uses my still relatively new Legra Aurora http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19131.0 (finished round page 7 or 8 or so)
Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: -Oby- on March 13, 2010, 02:02:10 PM
Very Nice!
Great Idea

What Guitar you used??

Title: Re: Ceramic Warpig, Cold Sweat, Irish Tours, Monster Miracle Man
Post by: MDV on March 13, 2010, 09:41:21 PM
Thanks! It was my MDV602 (see post above for link), which was then equiped with a c-pig bridge.