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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Crazy_Joe on June 29, 2008, 03:34:17 PM
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Has anyone been watching the highlights?
It hasn't been amazing from what I've seen, especially Amy Winehouse, she was terrible :/
But Jay Z rocked it, awesome set!
I don't understand why anyone would want to go to that mud fest, especially considering the line ups better at Reading, which is a similar kind of festival.
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When picking up my Father from the pub last night, some said why am I not at Glastonbury, I have long hair...
WTF!
stupid old people
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glastonbury is an experience in its own right... doesnt really matter if the line up is cr@p, there is always something to be doing!!
i have been to reading quite often and a few other festivals over the years and even though i usually prefer the music at reading it still doesnt compare to glasto
having said that, i was at glasto last year working in the kids field doing arty cr@p with small hippy children called moonflower or whatever and i cant say it was completely enjoyable all the time
the mud did get too much to handle and made everything more difficult than it needed to be. that meant we ended up missing most of the big bands and focusing on the small tents. i dont think i would have been happy if i had payed to go or was in with the general campers who were getting washed away and i was not happy with the smell surrounding the second stage field/lake .
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Verve and Kings of Leon excluded, I thought the line up was rather good. I don't even have a problem with KoL as such, they're just not big enough to headline yet.
Yeah, JayZ was ace.
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KOL are great!
Only band in that vein I like...
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Yeah, JayZ was ace.
Err, no he wasn't. He was awful :(
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Yeah, JayZ was ace.
Err, no he wasn't. He was awful :(
This is nothing but PAYBACK from the younger forum members because we stuck up for Paul McCartney and Cliff Richard :evil: :shock:
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Err, no he wasn't. He was awful
Is that because you don't like him in general though? :)
Paul McCartney and Cliff Richard are indefensible, Feline. :wink: :wink: :twisted:
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Jay Z is a tw@t.
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Jay-z is awesome. I got a few of his albums recently and it's amazing. Paul McCartney is dreadful, I love the Beatles, but anything the man does himself is horrible. And don't get me started on Cliff...
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I saw Jay-Z doing a cover of Wonderwall. Made it even worse than it allready was as he cant sing :o
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I saw Jay-Z doing a cover of Wonderwall. Made it even worse than it allready was as he cant sing :o
Didn't stop Oasis ;)
Badgermark is totally right.
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Jay z, who's he? I honestly couldn't name one of his poxy songs.
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Yeah, JayZ was ace.
Err, no he wasn't. He was awful :(
This is nothing but PAYBACK from the younger forum members because we stuck up for Paul McCartney and Cliff Richard :evil: :shock:
I don't know if Jay Z was good, bad or indifferent because I just don't "get" hip hop/rap/whatever you want to call it. I don't get it at all. It just sounds like idiotic mumbling to me.
As for Glasto in general, I flicked over to the BBC coverage a few times but it never seemed to be anyone I like. Some of these new indie (is it still indie? :oops: ) guitar bands are OK, but they're never rawk enough for me.
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I had a lok at some of it on telly and they had James Blunt warbeling. Remember jt's sig? James Blunt's a C***!
That's not what festivals are about is it.
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Dunno why there was so much fuss about JayZ playing. Especially from Noel Gallager, I went when Oasis and Macca were playing and both of them were very dissapointing to say the least...... especially Oasis.
It's not like there wouldn't have been someone else to go and see when JayZ was playing, I think Massive Attack were on at the same time. There were plenty of other people there who I'd much rather miss than JayZ, such as Mark "oi, you on the trumpet, play his guitar part and lets release a single" Ronson.
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I saw Jay-Z doing a cover of Wonderwall. Made it even worse than it allready was as he cant sing :o
Didn't stop Oasis ;)
:P
But it was even worse than Oasis :o
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did anyone see Wino...she even started hitting the crowd..also neil diamonds..mike died..but give him his due..carried on until fixed
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Jay-Z is great, i wouldn't say you have to study hip hop and know about the history and such, but they certainly helps you understand it a lot better.
I just think people should open mind their mind to all genres and not let themselves get stuck to one type of music. I used to be all metalz and that cr@p but i realized that there wasn't any point to limiting myself to one genre and that i had missed out on a lot of great music. It also helps when nothing much is happening in the particular genre you are listening to because you can just go check out what's new in the other genres.
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Like some of Jay-z's stuff but this wasn't a good performance
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Like most styles of music just not rap.
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Like most styles of music just not rap.
but rap etc is stylistically closer to the origins of blues than blues is today.
take chain gang singing for example, loads of blokes rhythmically singing to a beat. pretty much rap eh?
go listen to some public enemy!!!
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Like most styles of music just not rap.
but rap etc is stylistically closer to the origins of blues than blues is today.
take chain gang singing for example, loads of blokes rhythmically singing to a beat. pretty much rap eh?
go listen to some public enemy!!!
I've heard them back in the 80/90's and I didn't like it then and still don't.
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God it's terrible!
It sounds like a drunk bird on a karaoke.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=U1OTOiBQzQo
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Don't think that rap was the problem more that he wasn't that good on the night..for me anyways
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I just think people should open mind their mind to all genres and not let themselves get stuck to one type of music.
I agree, though I certainly wasn't that open-minded at your age!
However... you can give things a chance, but you can't force yourself to like something. I try to eat broccoli because it's good for me, but I'm never going to enjoy it. :wink:
Like most styles of music just not rap.
but rap etc is stylistically closer to the origins of blues than blues is today.
Probably true, but that's not necessarily a reason to listen to it, is it?
I haven't tried to get into rap, but I've heard enough of it (I've spent 20 years travelling on South London buses, for starters :lol: ). It just doesn't move me, and it never will.
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I don't think in chain gangs they sung about killing their bitches and hoes with their huge mudda fukkin gun and then banging everyone because they have got the biggest rim of them all.
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I don't think in chain gangs they sung about killing their bitches and hoes with their huge mudda fukkin gun and then banging everyone because they have got the biggest rim of them all.
I see you've done a fair bit of research into the genre then :roll:
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I admit that I have no evidence, but if they did, that would be so funny :P
traditional hip hop, R n B and Rap isn't so bad, but this big gangsta crime thing which dominates it does not settle with me
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God it's terrible!
It sounds like a drunk bird on a karaoke.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=U1OTOiBQzQo
Vewwy vewwy dwunk! (hic!)
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I don't think in chain gangs they sung about killing their bitches and hoes with their huge mudda fukkin gun and then banging everyone because they have got the biggest rim of them all.
I see you've done a fair bit of research into the genre then :roll:
Sums it up in my book. Pile of shitee
:evil:
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time for some ben folds i think
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_oVvFyBic_4
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Wez that was awesome, I love Ben Folds but not heard that before.
Hip hop is awesome, just ask anthrax (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NoLkaGcpJFA)
Also! I love the hardcore band Saosin, especially when they do hip hop (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TiwhOvIPYHM)
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apparently ben is a big Dr Dre fan
whilst listening to 'chronic' he was inspired to write that stunning piano piece
fully knowing he could write some sappy love song lyrics over the top and have the biggest hit of his life he decided to release it with the original dr dre lyrics... great stuff and i love the contrast of genres
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Hip hop is awesome, just ask anthrax (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NoLkaGcpJFA)
Bring the Noise is OK, but it's still one of my least favourite Anthrax tracks. I think they turned into a bit of a joke during that period to be honest.
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Hip hop is awesome, just ask anthrax (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NoLkaGcpJFA)
Bring the Noise is OK, but it's still one of my least favourite Anthrax tracks. I think they turned into a bit of a joke during that period to be honest.
It's the best public enemy tune EVER! it's in my top 5 favourite songs of all time list. Buncha philistines you lot...
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It's the best public enemy tune EVER! it's in my top 5 favourite songs of all time list. Buncha philistines you lot...
Ah, but I notice you say it's the best Public Enemy tune ever, NOT the best Anthrax tune ever... :wink:
(I know PE actually did it themselves originally)
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Hip hop is awesome, just ask anthrax (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NoLkaGcpJFA)
Bring the Noise is OK, but it's still one of my least favourite Anthrax tracks. I think they turned into a bit of a joke during that period to be honest.
+1 It was like trying to mix oil and water. Somethings don't work.
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I don't think in chain gangs they sung about killing their bitches and hoes with their huge mudda fukkin gun and then banging everyone because they have got the biggest rim of them all.
I see you've done a fair bit of research into the genre then :roll:
Sums it up in my book. Pile of shitee
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Not liking something is fine, but doing so on plainly (and I imagine knowingly) ignorant grounds is just daft.
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Agreed.
I'm a metalhead, but am happy to say that bands like Public Enemy and A Tribe called Quest, are purely brilliant.
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I don't think in chain gangs they sung about killing their bitches and hoes with their huge mudda fukkin gun and then banging everyone because they have got the biggest rim of them all.
I see you've done a fair bit of research into the genre then :roll:
Sums it up in my book. Pile of shitee
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Not liking something is fine, but doing so on plainly (and I imagine knowingly) ignorant grounds is just daft.
I don't like Rapping or Hip Hop. Fact. In fact I F*cking hate it and feel tense and irritable when in earshot of it. Which makes me allergic to it. So I don't listen to it and won't have anyone tell me otherwise. I know what I like and what I don't.
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Johnny, surely you love Speak, everyone loves him :D
I would go to Glastonbury if he was there.
:lol:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=--Vaz9jW054
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Johnny, surely you love Speak, everyone loves him :D
I would go to Glastonbury if he was there.
:lol:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=--Vaz9jW054
I've seen this before it's cringingly painful!
:lol:
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time for some ben folds i think
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_oVvFyBic_4
Top quality! Highlight of my day (so far!)
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I don't think in chain gangs they sung about killing their bitches and hoes with their huge mudda fukkin gun and then banging everyone because they have got the biggest rim of them all.
I see you've done a fair bit of research into the genre then :roll:
Sums it up in my book. Pile of shitee
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Not liking something is fine, but doing so on plainly (and I imagine knowingly) ignorant grounds is just daft.
I don't like Rapping or Hip Hop. Fact. In fact I F*cking hate it and feel tense and irritable when in earshot of it. Which makes me allergic to it. So I don't listen to it and won't have anyone tell me otherwise. I know what I like and what I don't.
Great, good for you. But don't suggest that ALL hip hop is as described above. I'm not a fan either, but even a cursory look into the genre would tell you that's as retarded as saying ALL punk is neo-nazi because you heard Skrewdriver once.
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I don't think in chain gangs they sung about killing their bitches and hoes with their huge mudda fukkin gun and then banging everyone because they have got the biggest rim of them all.
I see you've done a fair bit of research into the genre then :roll:
Sums it up in my book. Pile of shitee
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Not liking something is fine, but doing so on plainly (and I imagine knowingly) ignorant grounds is just daft.
I don't like Rapping or Hip Hop. Fact. In fact I F*cking hate it and feel tense and irritable when in earshot of it. Which makes me allergic to it. So I don't listen to it and won't have anyone tell me otherwise. I know what I like and what I don't.
Great, good for you. But don't suggest that ALL hip hop is as described above. I'm not a fan either, but even a cursory look into the genre would tell you that's as retarded as saying ALL punk is neo-nazi because you heard Skrewdriver once.
Look mate I don't care if it's this or that. I don't like rapping or hip hop. What part of I don't like don't you understand? I can't relate to any of it. The same samples and monotone vocals is enough to make me press buttons on the devise that it's coming from to change the situation.
I like so many different styles of music but just not that stuff. I agree being ignorant of something is no reason to dislike it but with this it's never gonna work. I love punk and I'm aware there was a band called screwdriver but i'm not that ignorant. I like some jazz. I love funk. I like some classical. ect ect but not rap i can't stand it. I'm sure they have some very good lyrics but i don't like the way it sounds.
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When did I say you couldn't dislike something? In fact, didn't I say I also don't like it? It was the massive, incorrect generalisation I pointed out, nothing at all to do with being a fan or not of a genre.
Honestly, if you're going to take umbridge at something said, at least read the posts in question properly so you don't just repeat "I can dislike it if I choose wah, wah, wah" over and over and completely miss the point eh? Your last sentence is the first thing ypu've said that actually addressed the point and is entirely valid, just completely at odds with every word you uttered previously :lol:
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If i don't like the way it sounds then why on earth would i want to find out if there is something that might have some good lyrics in it or whatever? If it winds me up to listen to it then thats hardly going to happen with me or anyone else with any genre of music. It's like trying to get my grandmother into The Exploited when she is basing her prejudice of punk on only hearing The Sex Pistols way back when I was 11. That wouldn't have happened in a million years the same as rap won't with me.
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You still seem intent on completely missing the point.
It wasn't anything to do with "getting into it". It was to do with making sweeping generalisations about something that, by your own admission, you know absolutely nothing about.
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You're making the massive assumption that all hiphop or rap sounds the same.
Which is just plain not true.
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Guys, you're having two different arguments here. When people accuse each other of "missing the point" it's usually because there's more than one point being made....
Johnny's main point is that he doesn't LIKE hip hop. I don't think he gives a flying f@ck whether it all sounds the same or not.
nfe's main point is that it you shouldn't generalise and doesn't all sound the same. And he doesn't seem particularly bothered whether Johnny likes/gets into it or not.
So why keep going on about it? :roll:
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It's one and the same point Philly.
You can't say you don't like Hiphop if you're totally ignorant of what it is.
And claiming that all hiphop sounds the same - Is exactly that.
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All metal sounds the same. All AC/DC songs sound the same. Hell, all 80s metal is similar to my ears.
Broad, sweeping statements suck. But saying all of hip hop is mumbling rubbish is just ignorant. No problem if you just don't like it, thats fine, just don't bash something that maybe isn't for you.
Anyway I saw some of Jay-Z's set on TV, looked amazing. I'd take him over Oasis anyday. At least he shows he has a sense of humour.
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Broad, sweeping statements suck.
I bet I could make one about Celine Dion that nobody would agrue with :D
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It's one and the same point Philly.
You can't say you don't like Hiphop if you're totally ignorant of what it is.
And claiming that all hiphop sounds the same - Is exactly that.
Sorry, but noo. Because in saying that he doesn't like Hip hop, it is understood that he doesn't like what it represents to him, how it has shown itself to him, relating to his experiences with it, and more likely the mainstream parts of it.
Your statement kind of says "you couldn't be a vegetarian, you haven't seen how many different ways there are to eat meat / kill the aminal / different types of meat there are (depending on their reasons)" - You can't tell someone that they must eat meat because they haven't experienced all aspects of it
Its interpretation people...
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Guys, you're having two different arguments here. When people accuse each other of "missing the point" it's usually because there's more than one point being made....
Johnny's main point is that he doesn't LIKE hip hop. I don't think he gives a flying f@ck whether it all sounds the same or not.
nfe's main point is that it you shouldn't generalise and doesn't all sound the same. And he doesn't seem particularly bothered whether Johnny likes/gets into it or not.
So why keep going on about it? :roll:[/quote
Because his original point was that it all has the same lyrical content, attitude and sound, which simply isn't true. He then proceeded to reply to every post I made telling him this with, "I can dislike it if I like", which is fine, but nothing to do with the original point and no one was telling him otherwise, only that making a huge generalisation about something you know nothing about is stupid.
Say I don't know an enormous amount about soul for example, but I decide they are all drug addict, volatile dafties because I do know who Amy Winehouse is, I'd deserve to be called a moron.
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Because his original point was that it all has the same lyrical content, attitude and sound, which simply isn't true
TBH, I thought it was me that said about the lyrical content and attitude, Johnny only mentioned it all sounding the same. I didn't indicate in any way that it was all like that, but its enough to put me off it, and same for JM I am guessing.
If he has been stuck by neighbours playing the kind of stuff all hours of the day, he can most definately come to the conclusion that it is monotonous / samey.
sorry for the quick reply, so damn bored
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It's one and the same point Philly.
You can't say you don't like Hiphop if you're totally ignorant of what it is.
And claiming that all hiphop sounds the same - Is exactly that.
Sorry, but noo. Because in saying that he doesn't like Hip hop, it is understood that he doesn't like what it represents to him, how it has shown itself to him, relating to his experiences with it, and more likely the mainstream parts of it.
Your statement kind of says "you couldn't be a vegetarian, you haven't seen how many different ways there are to eat meat / kill the aminal / different types of meat there are (depending on their reasons)" - You can't tell someone that they must eat meat because they haven't experienced all aspects of it
Its interpretation people...
+1. It's like me saying that I don't like mass murderers. Basically I don't like any of them and I don't even want to know what methods they use to kill! A bit extreme but I can totally understand what Johnny is saying.
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It's one and the same point Philly.
You can't say you don't like Hiphop if you're totally ignorant of what it is.
And claiming that all hiphop sounds the same - Is exactly that.
Sorry, but noo. Because in saying that he doesn't like Hip hop, it is understood that he doesn't like what it represents to him, how it has shown itself to him, relating to his experiences with it, and more likely the mainstream parts of it.
Your statement kind of says "you couldn't be a vegetarian, you haven't seen how many different ways there are to eat meat / kill the aminal / different types of meat there are (depending on their reasons)" - You can't tell someone that they must eat meat because they haven't experienced all aspects of it
Its interpretation people...
+1. It's like me saying that I don't like mass murderers. Basically I don't like any of them and I don't even want to know what methods they use to kill! A bit extreme but I can totally understand what Johnny is saying.
It's not quite like that.
The conversion doesn't quite work, with murder how you do it makes no difference in terms of practical morality, but motive makes a huge difference. In music the same sort of thing doesn't quite apply. Truth of the matter is that it is foolish to claim to despise something which you have never heard, and as nobody has heard all music, it is foolish to claim that you hate a genre unless you have heard every example of the said genre.
That's the argument here. You can claim that you hate all examples of a given genre which you have heard, but to pass judgement on the rest of the genre isn't quite right. I thought I hated hardcore, and now I almost only listen to hardcore, since i have found the right bands.
Most people think they hate classical music, and its all boring nonsense, yadda yadda yadda, but then they go to see La Clamenza di Tito, and they're transformed into fanatics.
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Honestly, I can't believe some of the arguments that materialise out of nowhere. So I can only pass judgment on a given type of music when Ii have listened to every example of that genre....hmm, lets find that nose flute CD that someone bought me a while back I need to re evaluate it.
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Honestly, I can't believe some of the arguments that materialise out of nowhere. So I can only pass judgment on a given type of music when Ii have listened to every example of that genre....hmm, lets find that nose flute CD that someone bought me a while back I need to re evaluate it.
I think its very likely that if you've heard a nose flute cd, you have heard every example of the genre...
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The two of you sticking up for rap and hip hop don't even like it yourselves but are prepared stick up for it. :lol:
So we must listen to all of hip hops and raps history before we can make any kind negative judgement must we? Bollocks! I think its shite. :twisted: I had my haircut at the barbars tonight and they had hip hop and rap on their big sound system. Geuss what? yes i thought it all sounded the same. I had to laugh at the irony, but my toes were curled.
Blimey with all this interest in the genre there must be a market out there for the hiphopbucker. Play it anyway you like and it'll sound the same. Just watch those ho's and bitches cook and do the washing up as well when they hear the monotonous tones of the hiphopbucker, it's like they've been hypnotised by some mutha. Now I'm just being silly. :roll:
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I think its fair enough to claim you don't like what you've heard.
But to claim that all hiphop all over the world is god awful is just plain odd.
And hell, I love Public Enemy...
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no accounting for taste.
johnny doesn't like rapping, and fair play to him. theres also some sorts of rock music i don't like :)
its great that events like glaston exist where everyones favourites can be accounted for.
btw, johnny, i only just read this thread - my comment in the players forum wasn't directed at you!
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It's one and the same point Philly.
You can't say you don't like Hiphop if you're totally ignorant of what it is.
And claiming that all hiphop sounds the same - Is exactly that.
Can you say you don't like hip hop if you're only partially ignorant of what it is? Or can you only say you don't like it if you've heard every example of the genre? In which case nobody's qualified to express an opinion at all.
I'm bored with talking about hip hop, so let's put it another way. I have friends who tell me Adam Sandler is a comic genius whose films are both hilarious and "wicked". To test this hypothesis, I've watched many of Mr Sandler's films, and they were all utter shitee*. I don't bother watching them any more, but I would still maintain I don't like Adam Sandler films, and I believe I have enough background information to justify that opinion.
Life's too short to waste another 180 minutes of it just to prove that Click and I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry really are as totally bollocks as I predicted.
(* this does not include Punch Drunk Love, which is good, but none of Adam Sandler's "fans" have ever heard of it anyway)
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It's one and the same point Philly.
You can't say you don't like Hiphop if you're totally ignorant of what it is.
And claiming that all hiphop sounds the same - Is exactly that.
Can you say you don't like hip hop if you're only partially ignorant of what it is? Or can you only say you don't like it if you've heard every example of the genre? In which case nobody's qualified to express an opinion at all.
I'm bored with talking about hip hop, so let's put it another way. I have friends who tell me Adam Sandler is a comic genius whose films are both hilarious and "wicked". To test this hypothesis, I've watched many of Mr Sandler's films, and they were all utter shitee*. I don't bother watching them any more, but I would still maintain I don't like Adam Sandler films, and I believe I have enough background information to justify that opinion.
Life's too short to waste another 180 minutes of it just to prove that Click and I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry really are as totally bollocks as I predicted.
(* this does not include Punch Drunk Love, which is good, but none of Adam Sandler's "fans" have ever heard of it anyway)
I simply agree with that 100%
I was about to bring up the fact that Noodle, you DON'T like hip hop, as thats a sweeping statement to make, you haven't had the experience of every element of it. Therefore you are now not able to like hip hop.
on these grounds i plan to become the Dictator of a now not so great Britain, and now tell people they can't like anything :)
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It always amuses me that our particular batch of people (musicians, creative people) seem to always get into arguments about what is and isn't cr@p, and what we all ought be opening or closing our minds to!
Back in the late 70's I was heading towards being a rocker, and I was firmly in the "punk is cr@p" camp. "hey they can't even play their guitars properly..." etc
A couple of years later, at Uni, I was in a heavy rock band as lead git, and then started fronting my own blues rock band. I wrote most of the home-grown material for both bands. The camps around both bands did the usual "such-and-such is utter sh1t, why's it No 1?"... and I still joined in.
One day I suddenly realised that I had a lot of effort and emotion invested in the stuff I was doing. And I knew I was bloody good at it. And I imagined someone coming to one of our gigs and then saying to someone else (who hadn't) "oh they were sh1t, don't bother..." when what they really felt was "I didn't like it". But because of how they said it, they were adding their own "and I don't think you should either..." and because we're all like sheep looking for someone to lead us in the "right" direction - the poor fool who hadn't seen us wouldn't bother next time...
Although I was only imagining this, I felt really hurt by it. And then I realised I was doing it as well!!
That night, I came up with this - If one person writes a song, book, poem, paints a picture, stands up and sings, wotever... and then just one other person likes it and wants more, then it was valid and worth doing and "good". It is not really deserving of any adjective from me that implies "bad"... but I can say that I don't like it.
I still believe in what I came up with all those years ago (though I don't always act on it, sadly) - As a creative person myself, I don't feel I can honestly put down any act or genre, but I can say that I don't like them. I also think it's important that I'm allowed to say "I really can't be bothered to check them/it out any further, even if I'm missing something, that's the risk I'll have to take" - this is mainly because I haven't even got enough time or money to enjoy all the stuff I know I like...
Like everyone else I guess, there are also some types of music that I really can't stand - I have to switch them off or go elsewhere if someone else wants it on. But again, that's about me not liking it, or it managing to raise emotions in me that make me feel uncomfortable, doesn't necessarily mean there's anything wrong with the music itself.
And I'll even defend Celine Dion :D (although I don't personally get much joy out her performances and I am very unlikely to buy any of her stuff or go to a gig!).
Hands up how many people here have, or have had, a granny or similar who told them "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything dear..."
Maybe I'm showing my age here, but as the years roll on, this advice seems to be getting more and more relevant... (even though my actual behaviour is becoming more and more "Victor Meldrew" - just ask my wife :roll: )
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It's one and the same point Philly.
You can't say you don't like Hiphop if you're totally ignorant of what it is.
And claiming that all hiphop sounds the same - Is exactly that.
Can you say you don't like hip hop if you're only partially ignorant of what it is? Or can you only say you don't like it if you've heard every example of the genre? In which case nobody's qualified to express an opinion at all.
I'm bored with talking about hip hop, so let's put it another way. I have friends who tell me Adam Sandler is a comic genius whose films are both hilarious and "wicked". To test this hypothesis, I've watched many of Mr Sandler's films, and they were all utter shitee*. I don't bother watching them any more, but I would still maintain I don't like Adam Sandler films, and I believe I have enough background information to justify that opinion.
Life's too short to waste another 180 minutes of it just to prove that Click and I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry really are as totally bollocks as I predicted.
(* this does not include Punch Drunk Love, which is good, but none of Adam Sandler's "fans" have ever heard of it anyway)
I simply agree with that 100%
I was about to bring up the fact that Noodle, you DON'T like hip hop, as thats a sweeping statement to make, you haven't had the experience of every element of it. Therefore you are now not able to like hip hop.
on these grounds i plan to become the Dictator of a now not so great Britain, and now tell people they can't like anything :)
Reign over me is the best film Adam Sandler has ever done. Amazing soundtrack (Pearl Jam's cover of Love Reign o'er me is epic) and some shockingly good acting from Mr Sandler. Check it out!
notice the attempt at directing this away from the most piss weak argument i've ever had the displeasure to read. Not bashing anyone personally, i like you all (even roobubba and his tele racism), but one argument of I HATE ALL RAP IT ALL BLOWS and a few others saying BUT SOME RAP IS GOOD! is rubbish.
Call it quits guys? Hugs all round? But Andy you can just feck right off if you defend Celine. I'll stab you right in the mouth if you say anything nice about that harpie.
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It always amuses me that our particular batch of people (musicians, creative people) seem to always get into arguments about what is and isn't cr@p, and what we all ought be opening or closing our minds to!
Back in the late 70's I was heading towards being a rocker, and I was firmly in the "punk is cr@p" camp. "hey they can't even play their guitars properly..." etc
A couple of years later, at Uni, I was in a heavy rock band as lead git, and then started fronting my own blues rock band. I wrote most of the home-grown material for both bands. The camps around both bands did the usual "such-and-such is utter sh1t, why's it No 1?"... and I still joined in.
One day I suddenly realised that I had a lot of effort and emotion invested in the stuff I was doing. And I knew I was bloody good at it. And I imagined someone coming to one of our gigs and then saying to someone else (who hadn't) "oh they were sh1t, don't bother..." when what they really felt was "I didn't like it". But because of how they said it, they were adding their own "and I don't think you should either..." and because we're all like sheep looking for someone to lead us in the "right" direction - the poor fool who hadn't seen us wouldn't bother next time...
Although I was only imagining this, I felt really hurt by it. And then I realised I was doing it as well!!
That night, I came up with this - If one person writes a song, book, poem, paints a picture, stands up and sings, wotever... and then just one other person likes it and wants more, then it was valid and worth doing and "good". It is not really deserving of any adjective from me that implies "bad"... but I can say that I don't like it.
I still believe in what I came up with all those years ago (though I don't always act on it, sadly) - As a creative person myself, I don't feel I can honestly put down any act or genre, but I can say that I don't like them. I also think it's important that I'm allowed to say "I really can't be bothered to check them/it out any further, even if I'm missing something, that's the risk I'll have to take" - this is mainly because I haven't even got enough time or money to enjoy all the stuff I know I like...
Like everyone else I guess, there are also some types of music that I really can't stand - I have to switch them off or go elsewhere if someone else wants it on. But again, that's about me not liking it, or it managing to raise emotions in me that make me feel uncomfortable, doesn't necessarily mean there's anything wrong with the music itself.
And I'll even defend Celine Dion :D (although I don't personally get much joy out her performances and I am very unlikely to buy any of her stuff or go to a gig!).
Hands up how many people here have, or have had, a granny or similar who told them "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything dear..."
Maybe I'm showing my age here, but as the years roll on, this advice seems to be getting more and more relevant... (even though my actual behaviour is becoming more and more "Victor Meldrew" - just ask my wife :roll: )
Top post !!
I was very disappointed that Amy Winehouse was drunk - too drunk to perform properly at Glastonbury.
It is the same disappointed I felt when Michael Schenker was too drunk/stoned/ wasted to play during his support slot for the Scorpions last year - although the Schenker hurt me more as I was so looking forward to seeing him and had waxed lyrical to friends prior to the gig
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The two of you sticking up for rap and hip hop don't even like it yourselves but are prepared stick up for it. :lol:
So we must listen to all of hip hops and raps history before we can make any kind negative judgement must we? Bollocks! I think its shitee. :twisted: I had my haircut at the barbars tonight and they had hip hop and rap on their big sound system. Geuss what? yes i thought it all sounded the same. I had to laugh at the irony, but my toes were curled.
Just to mention that me and noodle have been arguing very different things and I don't really agree with him, I've held throughout that you can like and dislike whatever you choose, whether you've heard lots of it or not, at the end of the day, if you decide an entire genre is rubbish on whatever evidence and then miss something you'd actually have loved, that's just your loss, no one else should give a fuck. I just think it's idiotic to say that all hip hop is about who has the biggest gun, most bitches, fastest car and snazziest house.
Frankly, I think anyone who seriously believes that (or any generalisation about any genre) should stab themselves in the throat so as to not further polute the race with blatant stupidity.
Also, I've not been sticking up for hip hop. Not in the slightest, I was just saying that, well, you were being very daft. I'd say Will was too, but he aknowledged as much in his second post on the matter.
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what the hell has been started here?!!!
at the end of the day, surely everyone can agree that you either 'like' some types of music or 'dont like' some types of music. it is all subjective. what i dont like is people who go 'i like rock music so im not going to listen to x, y and z'. hell, im guilty of doing it and most of my close friends are still guilty of doing it.
I like lots of music. In fact, music is music, there aren't many tracks that come on the radio where I think 'god, that is terrible, I'm turning that off'.
and besides, for the whole 'rap is cr@p' argument - rage against the machine had a massive hip hop influence in their music and i cant think of many people who DONT like them, the argument should go 'if you hate rap how can you hate RATM?' but im not getting into that cos its stupid, petty and well below everyones intellectual level (im not saying that everyone does like RATM, its your opinion. this has been taken from my own experience at work, in the pub etc. RATM are one of those bands which ANYONE can generally agree on and always seem to get the most booty shaking on the dancefloor in any rock club).
anyway, i think everyone will love this <blatent plug> www.myspace.com/burningwarship, its balls our rock and roll, no rap, loud guitars, facemelting solos, jack daniels vocals and general fun. plus we're filming a DVD tonight. </blatent plug>
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Blimey with all this interest in the genre there must be a market out there for the hiphopbucker.
Oh thats the one which steals other peoples riffs and claims them as it's own.
Just an observation though it's strange that most of the 'good rap' mentioned is from years back (I can tolerate some like De La Soul and 'A tribe called quest) but for the most part I can agree with most of the general sweep of I hate rap (with the silent C)
I pretty much dislike RAP & Hip Hop, and am saddened that the term R&B has been misappropiated for bland generic pap generated by the music industry.
Amy winehouse I am saddened by as there is no sweetness in her voice it's bloody harsh compared with those she is trying to emulate (and for my Victor Meldrew impersonation, WTF is Winehouse doing on the Smooth Jazz CD thats being advertised on TV ?)
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rage against the machine had a massive hip hop influence in their music and i cant think of many people who DONT like them
RATM are far from universally liked!
I like some of the guitar work but dislike Zak's constant angry ranting
Maybe I am just not angry enough myself?
I have often been intrigued by some of the serious statements made by them and bands like Public Enemy/ Bodycount but cant listen to it as entertainment.
It leaves you feeling way too bleak in your outlook on life.
My personal gripe with Hip hop etc is their portrayal of women as Ho's and B*tches etc .
Rock bands got slated and censored for having sexual references or having girls in their videos etc but at least they were discussing "consensual" sex (usually) and not glorifying an endless circle of pimping., prostitution, drug dealing, gang activities and killing.
Some rap & hip hop videos are almost porn....and they never talk about censoring most of them.
I know not all Hip Hop is like that but a lot of the stuff is.
Even comedian Chris Rock says " Love Rap music but tired of defending it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9A2I-X7b-w
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I dont really take the lyrics in RATM too seriously, I just like the music and the vocals fit it fine. Cant be arsed with all the political bollocks I just want to listen to some good music :lol:
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My my, what a big hoo-har over nothing!!! :twisted:
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I just think it's idiotic to say that all hip hop is about who has the biggest gun, most bitches, fastest car and snazziest house.
As far as I can tell, Johnny doesn't really care about the lyrical content/what the songs are about, and he's said that several times. You're barking up the wrong tree really.
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Is it still OK if I don't like happy hardcore? :lol:
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Is it still OK if I don't like happy hardcore? :lol:
As long as it's ok that I like Paul McCartney :lol: :lol:
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I just think it's idiotic to say that all hip hop is about who has the biggest gun, most bitches, fastest car and snazziest house.
As far as I can tell, Johnny doesn't really care about the lyrical content/what the songs are about, and he's said that several times. You're barking up the wrong tree really.
I don't think in chain gangs they sung about killing their bitches and hoes with their huge mudda fukkin gun and then banging everyone because they have got the biggest rim of them all.
I see you've done a fair bit of research into the genre then :roll:
Sums it up in my book. Pile of shitee
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I just think it's idiotic to say that all hip hop is about who has the biggest gun, most bitches, fastest car and snazziest house.
As far as I can tell, Johnny doesn't really care about the lyrical content/what the songs are about, and he's said that several times. You're barking up the wrong tree really.
I don't think in chain gangs they sung about killing their bitches and hoes with their huge mudda fukkin gun and then banging everyone because they have got the biggest rim of them all.
I see you've done a fair bit of research into the genre then :roll:
Sums it up in my book. Pile of shitee
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Perhaps you would be happier in a rap forum!
I'm not daft for totally shunning this poxy noise without seeing if there are any little gems that I will love. That's because I'm 100% confidant in my judgment regarding my own musical likes and dislikes and I know that I won't like any of it. Apart from the most obvious cliches it's fraught with plagiarism and lacks any kind of musicianship that doesn't involve using a mouse. Real music made by bands is my usual thing and they span many genres. Perhaps its and age thing, when you get a bit older you don't really care if your not debating something like a student in the union. There's better things to be getting on with.
Lets call time on this before the thread grows a beard and dies of boredom
See what you've done Will!!
Have a good weekend. :D :D :lol: :lol:
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Perhaps you would be happier in a rap forum!
I'm not daft for totally shunning this poxy noise without seeing if there are any little gems that I will love.
I will leave at this yes, but because you evidentally are completely incapable of understanding my point, having ignored it and answered someone elses in every post reply you've made to me :lol:
Just to try and be clear, it had NOTHING TO DO WITH LIKING OR DISLIKING THE GENRE. At all. Not one jot. Ok?
Now, the weekend indeed, I have a braw one lined up :)
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Perhaps you would be happier in a rap forum!
I'm not daft for totally shunning this poxy noise without seeing if there are any little gems that I will love.
I will leave at this yes, but because you evidentally are completely incapable of understanding my point, having ignored it and answered someone elses in every post reply you've made to me :lol:
Just to try and be clear, it had NOTHING TO DO WITH LIKING OR DISLIKING THE GENRE. At all. Not one jot. Ok?
Now, the weekend indeed, I have a braw one lined up :)
I know :wink:
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Personally I like my music driven by guitar........
Means I like a lot of stuff from pop to folk, rock, blues, punk, metal, ska etc
I just like what I like and don't like what i don't like.
I guess I got tired that the mainstream media shunned rock during the 90s and basically said that unless music was hip hop or had hip hop in it - it wasnt gonna be getting any press or airplay. This was very true of things like Radio 1 etc.
It has been my great pleasure that Planet Rock has done so well playing rock music to the masses, and likewise with Xfm and Kerrang in bringing indie and metal.
Jay Z did seem an odd choice to headline Glastonbury as it was at odds with so much of Glastonbury's other acts.
But if he went down well - then all well and good.
I'm all for diversity - but I'm mainly for guitars
Here's one of my favourites:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ5SVDYBNrY
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So...Glastonbury was good yes?