Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: tomjackson on July 04, 2008, 11:15:25 PM
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Is there much difference between the following:-
Epiphone SG
Gibson SG faded
Gibson SG special
Obviously I don't care about the pickups as they will be replaced by Riff Raffs, but just quality and acoustic tone wise. I ised to own an Epi SG and thought it was okay, just a little shiny.
SG experts??
I think everbody should have at least 1 SG. Just need to explain this to the missus......
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Not a lot of difference between those three in my experience. The Standards and 61 reissues are a step up in tone though.
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Not an SG expert, but have you considered a MIJ Tokai USG75?
Tokai SG on eBay:http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tokai-USG75-Electric-Guitar-Black-Finish_W0QQitemZ270251065276QQihZ017QQcategoryZ112670QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262
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Cheap option: get one with a broken headstock and repair it
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350076288013
The headstock is broken behind the nut. It won't have any noticeable impact if you glue it properly (same happened to my Hamer Sunburst and I was so worried, turned out to make no difference whatsoever).
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Wooo - that MIJ Tokai looks very nice.
I've got an Epi SG, it's actually the least favourite of my guitars at the moment (poor thing, :( ) - I think you could be right, the "shiny" bit might be putting me off... and the bridge has issues (the previous owner's fault, and it's fixable) which make it less than a joy to play sometimes.
However, I did get a MIJ Tokai Love Rock a month or two back - very VERY good in my opinion. Same day I was trying Gibson faded something or other for same price, but it wasn't in the same league for me... So if i was looking to replace my SG, I'd be looking at MIJ Tokai if I could find one to try before buying. I've also heard nice things about Vintage - though I didn't manage to try any that day, there was a whole wall of them (for cheaper!) but "my" Love Rock had already found it's way into my hands!!
I don't think I'm brave enough for Hunter's option! (Although I agree with him - I had a broken headstock on a Westone Rainbow years ago, seemed like the end of the world, and that fixed up nicely)
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i'd definitely consider looking into some japanese copies, you should be able to pick one up (new) for a similar price to those gibson fadeds... second hand, more like the price of an epi. Obviously if you prefer the epi or gibson, go with that, but you won't know unless you try the tokais etc. it won't hurt you financially trying them (well, maybe will if you have to travel far, i guess...)...
:)
EDIT: i should add that i'm not an SG expert, far from it; i'm basing this on the other japanese copies i've tried (of les pauls, strats, teles etc.). :)
gordon smith might be worth a look too, i guess.
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Is there much difference between the following:-
Epiphone SG
Gibson SG faded
Gibson SG special
Obviously I don't care about the pickups as they will be replaced by Riff Raffs, but just quality and acoustic tone wise. I ised to own an Epi SG and thought it was okay, just a little shiny.
SG experts??
I think everbody should have at least 1 SG. Just need to explain this to the missus......
I've justr sold my SG Special. Great guitar but would have upgraded the pickups to BKP Mules for a truely awesome guitar. Look on Ebay for some bargain SG's at the moment!
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FWIW (I'm not an SG guy) Yamaha make both the best and best value SGs I've played.
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Is there much difference between the following:-
Epiphone SG
Gibson SG faded
Gibson SG special
Obviously I don't care about the pickups as they will be replaced by Riff Raffs, but just quality and acoustic tone wise. I ised to own an Epi SG and thought it was okay, just a little shiny.
SG experts??
I think everbody should have at least 1 SG. Just need to explain this to the missus......
I've justr sold my SG Special. Great guitar but would have upgraded the pickups to BKP Mules for a truely awesome guitar. Look on Ebay for some bargain SG's at the moment!
I'm regretting selling my SG special, albiet the neck was a bit iffy for me but it was a great guitar. Traded it in for a strat, which i sold on a few months later. I'd totally get another SG, possibly something with a slightly thinner neck, closer to my epi les paul.
And Yamaha SGs seem to be more les paul than SG, well worth trying though.
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I have an SG Special, and I love it, although I have no other SGs to compare it to, apart from my friends ancient Epi SG, which isn't too nice, although I think it was pretty cheap, but it just feels a bit cheaply made, and the neck isn't nice... Although I have a friend with a newer Epi SG, and he really likes his. I haven't ever played/seen it in person, so can't really make any comparisons i'm afraid.
Also, I think the Special and the faded are pretty similar, just the finish is slightly different. Don't quote me on that though, as it's probably wrong... :P
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Cheap option: get one with a broken headstock and repair it
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350076288013
The headstock is broken behind the nut. It won't have any noticeable impact if you glue it properly (same happened to my Hamer Sunburst and I was so worried, turned out to make no difference whatsoever).
That actually looks like a great deal :)
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epiphone sare fine
i had the g400 custom
but the cheapest gibson sg is still a bit better
i have a faded sg and it's made of true honduras mahogany (i know cause honduras mahogany = brazilian mahogany and the guitar smells the same on the cavities) and very resonant
the epiphone was nice but had some cheap wood
i think the neck was mahogany, but the body felt like alder
my only complaint about the gibson faded is the extremely ugly rosewood they use on the fingerboard
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Well I guess it would be the SG Special faded or Tokai although I'd have find somewhere to try the Tokai near Manchester. If anything, leaning towards the faded as I like the idea of the thin finish, the Gibson pickup rasale value would be quite good (to put towards BKP's) and you can pick them up for £450.
As I remember the necks are fairly fat as well, and I like that.
I'm not bothered about the name however and I do wonder whether the build quality would be better on the Tokai.....
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Might want a look at some of the ESP Vipers, basically based on the SG, but structurally improved, get Wez to explain it to you, I'm no Luthier.
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I'm not bothered about the name however and I do wonder whether the build quality would be better on the Tokai.....
The Tokai build quality is certainly a bit "neater" (assuming we're talking MIJ Tokai, I don't know about the MIK ones), but in terms of playability the Gibsons are fine, if you can find a good one.
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I still really want to see someone report back with an Edwards SG! Those things look sick. Good luck in your quest.
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Hi I have got a SG faded (left handed one). I like it but have noticed they seem to mark rather easily with no paint. The quality of the fretboard could also be better on mine. It plays well but I wonder how the fretboard will last over time.
Hope it helps
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they do an epiphone faded too:
http://www.coda-music.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_33&products_id=3778 (http://www.coda-music.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_33&products_id=3778)
http://www.coda-music.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_33&products_id=176 (http://www.coda-music.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_33&products_id=176)
or what about one of those 'vintage' copies.
http://www.imuso.co.uk/ProductDetail.asp?StockCode=EG00539 (http://www.imuso.co.uk/ProductDetail.asp?StockCode=EG00539)
i'd proudly play a pimped epi worn brown SG
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The Vintage is Mega cheap! It's almost worth buying just to check out at £120!
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The Vintage is Mega cheap! It's almost worth buying just to check out at £120!
Yeah, I keep thinking that as well.
Their SGs appeal to me more than any of their other models.
When I bought my Tokai LP, I'd expressly gone out intending to try Vintage if I could lay my hands on some. Like I said ealier though - I never got round to it!
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The Vintage is Mega cheap! It's almost worth buying just to check out at £120!
i'm not sure if that's the right way to look at it. certainly if it were, like, £20, maybe, but £120 is expensive enough that if it sucks, you've lost quite a bit of money.
I haven't tried it, i'm just pointing out that buying something cheap which sucks is normally a false economy.
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dave_mc is right
i tried a vintage strat once, there was nothing wrong with it. eastern popular body wood on that model though, so i decided to steer clear. according the the specs the SG should be mahogany - definately worth a look i reckon.
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dave_mc is right
i tried a vintage strat once, there was nothing wrong with it. eastern popular body wood on that model though, so i decided to steer clear. according the the specs the SG should be mahogany - definately worth a look i reckon.
I saw the "mahogany specs" bit a while back.
I have seen one up close (2nd hand in an odd little shop when I was on holiday in Cornwall in January) - it looked gorgeous, but it was more expensive than I knew I could get them new in London, so I didn't touch it in case I liked it!
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dave_mc is right
i tried a vintage strat once, there was nothing wrong with it. eastern popular body wood on that model though, so i decided to steer clear. according the the specs the SG should be mahogany - definately worth a look i reckon.
yeah, i've tried some of the vintage advances which actually were quite nice, but i haven't tried the cheaper ones (and the vintage advances are allegedly a step-up from the cheaper ones). actually, now i remember i think i did try the cheaper vintage LP goldtop with p90s, and i wasn't much fussed on that, but i haven't tried the sg.
anyway, i was more disagreeing with the principle that if it's cheap it's almost worth chancing it (unless you know it to be decent as well), rather than the specific guitar which i have no idea about. :)
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dave_mc is right
i tried a vintage strat once, there was nothing wrong with it. eastern popular body wood on that model though, so i decided to steer clear. according the the specs the SG should be mahogany - definately worth a look i reckon.
I knew a guy in school who had a Vintage SG, not sure if it was poplar of mahogany, as this was a few years ago, but i remember thinking it was pretty awesome.
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Dammit, i'm wanting another SG now. Thanks guys, ruining my happy little bubble of having two different guitars and a custom in the works. Add a SG into the work and my head hurts with choice. Thanks.
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If anyone wants an SG my Gibson SG-1 is on ebay, £350 starting price!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Gibson-SG-1-SG-1-Pickup_W0QQitemZ130235803337QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item130235803337&_trkparms=72%3A12|39%3A1|65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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A mates main gigging guitar was a Vintage SG (with a pair of Pearly Gates installed) and he loved it, in the end he started using it in the studio in preference to his more expensive instruments (it ended up being played on the White Stripes album Elephant for one solo)
I always felt it was a little more neck heavy than a real gibson though
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Can I suggest the Epiphone SG Prophecy? Lovely neck. 24 Frets... And easily less than £400... Well made too...
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Anyone got a view on that SG with the broken headstock on EvilBay? Looks good to me - and I know a friendly guitar repairer.....
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Anyone got a view on that SG with the broken headstock on EvilBay? Looks good to me - and I know a friendly guitar repairer.....
I'm considering it, i have zero knowledge of german though, so the entire listing is in moon speak for me. not even google translator is helping. drat.
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I had a look and a play of a some of the Vintage guitars at the LGS and they are great. I may buy a load for pimping!
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I had a look and a play of a some of the Vintage guitars at the LGS and they are great. I may buy a load for pimping!
A load? Big plans?
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I had a look and a play of a some of the Vintage guitars at the LGS and they are great. I may buy a load for pimping!
A load? Big plans?
Well all of the bkp range :D....well the ones that interest me. Riff raffs Stormys mules and nailbombs! I may get one of those Washburns from Machinehead, they seem like a good deal too.