Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Ben_W on July 05, 2008, 03:23:04 PM
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Hey all,
I currently play a Gibson SG, but want a new guitar for more metal type music. I was thinking perhaps an Ibanez, one in the range of probably £300-500 or so (not including pickups), and then put some BKs in it, I could go more than that, but that is a rough area.
My first thought was this one.
http://www.ibanez.co.jp/products/images/eg2008/SZR720_TGB_12_01.gif
The page I was looking at it on is http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/75436, if anyone wants to have a look :)
Tbh, it's mainly because of the quilt top and the inlay... I'm a sucker for both! :P
Although i'm fairly open, and just want a new guitar for modern metal type stuff, nothing hugely particular, think Lamb of God, Killswitch Engage style music as the sort of top end of heaviness, and then anything down to A7X, possibly Funeral For a Friend type stuff? Although I don't play FFAF, just to clear that up... (got some friendly abuse for mentioning them once) :p, it sounds kinda bad as im not being specific at all, lol, but i'm not really fussed, I just want to experiment, and then see what sounds I can get.
I don't want a Floyd Rose really, but am open to anything, and a fast neck would be good. :)
Anyone got any suggestions?
Thanks,
Ben.
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LTD H1000 - Amazing guitar imo, quite similar to the one shown.
I'm a little bias considering my obsession with Horizons.
They cost about £800 though, and you might want to do something about the EMGs.
Edit: http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/70691 HOLY shite - BARGAIN.
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I havent played one but the Ibanez RGA121 in the darker finish look really, really nice. Costs £560 though which is quite a bit. I probably wouldnt get on with the neck which is a shame because it looks so good.
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I'd really recommend the Ibanez SZ. It's a very underestimated guitar and it's great value for money. It's very comfortable and sounds great (even stock).
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hhmm, the ESP seems nice, not sure on the Ibanez RGA121, I might go to GAK one day, although it will take me about 3-3.5 hours to get there, but it'l be worth it! :)
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Steve: How does the SZR compare to the SZ? The SZ's seem nice, i've seen one in Black Sunburst that looks nice, might be worth a try! :)
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I think this is the guitar for you:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120279198795&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:VRI
then put some BKP's in it and your sorted.
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hhmm, I would be interested in buying it, although the main problem is:
"End time: 2 hours 15 mins"
Meaning I won't be able to try/see it, i will try one though, and try and get a deal... Thanks :)
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Steve: How does the SZR compare to the SZ? The SZ's seem nice, i've seen one in Black Sunburst that looks nice, might be worth a try! :)
I've not played the SZR unfortunatly. But I can't see it being too different from the SZ. It looks basically like an SZ with a different headstock, fancy inlay and a ever so slightly different cut body.
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man you want one of those, admit it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiQ4zLEVKt0
(http://www.charvel.com/images/ms_socal_style1.jpg)
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Those new charvels would be so cool if they were a hardtail and not floyd. I kinda got gas for a superstrat again :oops: My Charvel played really nicely but it looked too cheesy 80s and had a bad piece of basswood :(
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^ those new charvels would be cool if the price (presumably) won't get inflated about 300% above the USA price... :evil: :x
I havent played one but the Ibanez RGA121 in the darker finish look really, really nice. Costs £560 though which is quite a bit. I probably wouldnt get on with the neck which is a shame because it looks so good.
that's what i'd go with. they used to go for a little over £500, but the price may have increased. They're quite bright-sounding, though, which might not be what you want.
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Those new Charvels are going to cost around £700. About the price of the RR24. They won't be over here till September time either.
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http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/70691 HOLY shitee - BARGAIN.
That is absolutely perfect for the TS. Jump on it. Now.
EDIT: Actually, these are pretty awesome as well:
http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/76472
http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/viper-400/66330
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Those new Charvels are going to cost around £700. About the price of the RR24. They won't be over here till September time either.
ah, i guess that's a little better compared to what we normally get ripped for on US gear. Still a 40% increase though on the US price... :(
EDIT: I don't get all the LTD love... they were vastly over-priced in the UK market, and now that they're starting to fall towards what they should be going for (in my opinion), everyone's all over them? :?
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-Deluxe-EC1000-Electric-Guitar?sku=516629
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-EX400-Electric-Guitar?sku=512028
that's what they're going for in the USA...
http://machinehead.co.uk/index.php/cPath/21_49 that's what i'd get... washburn wi65pro idol... they're discontinued, £240, stock with duncans (hey, they're no bkps but they're better than pretty much any stock pickup on a £250 guitar)...
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Alot of the LTD range are absolute shitee.
But the 1000 series are truly BRILLIANT guitars imo. Solid, sound great, play beautifully.
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hhhmm, I like the Ibanez SZ, as well as the LTD H1000. The charvel's seem nice, but I really don't want a Floyd, well not for a while, anyway. Also, i'm not really a fan of the les paul style shaped guitars, such as the LTD ones with the big curves, well not for this style guitar anyway.
So really, at the moment, it's between the Ibanez SZ, the SZR 720, and the LTD H1000. For some reason, i'm swaying towards one of the Ibanez guitars, although i'm not sure why, because the LTD is better, and looks nice... But would one of the Ibanez guitars sound ok with some Miracle Men? Pigs perhaps?
Also, out of curiosity, I was looking through some pages, and saw that one said "The SZR720 pickups feature Neodymium magnets, the most powerful magnets available for guitar pickups, and are mounted in rosewood rings." Are there any advtantages of having Neodyium magnets? As opposed to Ceramic or Alnicos? Or are they just trying to make them sound better, while not actually being that great.
Also, please note, I am not buying this guitar to EVER be used on anything even vaguely similar to clean. :P
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Alot of the LTD range are absolute shiteee.
But the 1000 series are truly BRILLIANT guitars imo. Solid, sound great, play beautifully.
Yeah, I have heard some terrible ones, but i've never heard a 1000 series guitar. Although 90% of the people I know that play metal near me all buy Jacksons for some reason... So my knowledge is limited within the different series and ranges of brands to be honest.
On another, slightly random note, i'm gonna have to find somewhere local that has one, as my local music shop moved, and the Sound Control that was near me, well, I think we all know what happened to them... :P
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Alot of the LTD range are absolute shiteee.
But the 1000 series are truly BRILLIANT guitars imo. Solid, sound great, play beautifully.
oh yeah, they're nice guitars, that's not what i'm debating. A local shop was trying to charge £900 for one recently. That's my problem with them... :? :x
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Personally, I feel most guitars that people consider "worth" £900, are alot worse than the H1000, so even though its alot of money for a Korean built guitar, its nothing for such a brilliant guitar.
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Hhmm, ok, so I have some good opinions on the H1000, but anyone got any thoughts/opinions on how the Ibanez SZ and SZR fair up? Because i'd like to have a few to try out, incase I don't like the H1000.
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The SZ guitars are generally pretty good, but I'd say the pickups would definitely need replacing. They're pretty good guitars, well built, sound good, play nicely, and are pretty, but I've never felt the urge to buy one.
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Yeah, well I definitely plan to replace the pickups, I was never in any intention of keeping the stock ones :) If nobody else has tried 'em, I guess i'll just have to try them all out anyway, and see which I like! :P
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Personally, I feel most guitars that people consider "worth" £900, are alot worse than the H1000, so even though its alot of money for a Korean built guitar, its nothing for such a brilliant guitar.
i disagree. you can near enough get a vigier for £900. legras don't start at much more (at least they didn't when i bought mine), and that's with BKPs. you can get an edwards or a tokai for around the £500-£600 mark (granted, at least in the case of the tokais, you're talking vintage copies rather than modern-style guitars).
I dunno. A lot of the korean-built guitars seem to have a really thick finish and feel a bit "plasticky" to me. Though granted the 1000 series LTDs are towards the top of korean guitars in terms of quality. I'd still rather have a washburn though (if that were the type of guitar i were after)... they're around half the price, if not less.
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As far as I know, Vigier are £1400 and upwards, and most customs aren't close to £900.
When I'm talking guitars people "consider worth around £900", I mean things like RG2620, Les Paul Studio, Jackson DK3, that sort of stuff. Personally I feel the LTD Deluxe series has an example better than all those mentioned (eclipse > studio etc).
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i know.
I base my value on how much things cost other places too... those LTD 100s go for around the equivalent of £400 in the states, so £900 here means that they aren't all that great value.
http://machinehead.co.uk/product_info.php/cPath/21_148/products_id/1557
also, plenty of customs start around the £1000 mark, as long as you don't pimp it out with exotic woods etc. and factor in a pickup swap to those LTDs and you're talking more like £1100. :)
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As far as I know, Vigier are £1400 and upwards, and most customs aren't close to £900.
When I'm talking guitars people "consider worth around £900", I mean things like RG2620, Les Paul Studio, Jackson DK3, that sort of stuff. Personally I feel the LTD Deluxe series has an example better than all those mentioned (eclipse > studio etc).
LP Studios retail at below £700 at many places, as does the RG2620 as far as I know. (DK3 discontinued I think?).
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the £800 to £1000 bracket for guitars is a little weird, always seems odd. In Gibson's case, they recommend that price for a studio, but a used Standard often falls within that bracket.
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I suggest my favorite guitar that I have, the Jackson SLSMG:
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3179/img0454gn2.th.jpg) (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0454gn2.jpg)(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8955/img0457fi8.th.jpg) (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0457fi8.jpg)(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2949/img0455yh4.th.jpg) (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0455yh4.jpg)(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1936/img0456pe5.th.jpg) (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0456pe5.jpg)
I got a hell of a deal on this one from ebay so try looking around for one. 8)
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oohh, Jackson SLSMG, i've played on one of them, it was nice :)
Also, a little note, I am not buying this guitar to be an amazing guitar, the best ever, just a good enough guitar which will sound nice for messing around at home with, it won't really be gigged with.
Random thought, are Jackson RR5s any good? They look great, and don't have EMGs, meaning easier to put BKPs in... :) Although at that price there's gonna be a lot more competition, and i'm sure you could probably get something nicer for the price.
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the £800 to £1000 bracket for guitars is a little weird, always seems odd.
agreed. you're kind of at "almost pro" prices- you can save some money and not get very much worse (at least if you know what you're doing), or you can pay a bit more and get much nicer.
Also, a little note, I am not buying this guitar to be an amazing guitar, the best ever, just a good enough guitar which will sound nice for messing around at home with, it won't really be gigged with.
you still might as well get as nice a guitar as you can, though. I only play at home, and I aim to get the best I can for the money. :)
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hhmm, just thought, as I will be putting new pickups in it straight away, would the 3 I was looking at (the 2 Ibanez and the LTD) all work with MM? They all have mahogany bodies, so should be easy for me to tell which I like the most when trying them, but don't wanna buy one then for everyone to say "no, MM won't sound nice at all". I would like MM really, as this guitar will pretty much just be purely for metal. :)
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NVM about this now, I have a new project... This will have to wait a couple of months...