Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: TwilightOdyssey on July 11, 2008, 02:48:09 AM
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I loaded the Scumback M75 into my 1x12 cabinet after work tonight.
Compared to the driver I already had in there (Carvin Vintage British 100W), I noticed several physical differences: The cone has a much steeper incline, as well as going deeper into the gasket; the voice coil is much smaller as is the dust cap; the Scumback weighs perhaps 10% more than the Carvin.
Sonically, there is no comparison. The Scumback NAILS the 70s hard rock/early metal tone. It is extremely tight and tuneful. I also noticed that there was very little tonal difference when listening off-axis as opposed to straight on. This speaker just has gobs of everything; it was also extremely responsive to any changes in EQ, gain, and volume.
This speaker, simply put, will not break up and no matter how hard I hammered it, never got brittle, spitty, chuffy, wooly, or any other negative side effect I've had from cranking a single 12".
Even with the TB smashing the clean channel, as you can hear, open and barre chords retain their clarity.
Here is a quick clip I made:
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=6708338&q=hi
Signal Chain is:
VHII loaded tele ... 1970s NOS JAX curly guitar lead ... Thundertomate Phil Hilborne Treble Booster ... Splawn Quick Rod (1st gear, clean channel) ... Audix D2 approximately 2" off axis and 3" away from the grille ... no EQ, compression or audio fiddling done after the fact.
If you are looking for a speaker to nail classic rock tones of yore, or or a modern player who craves a vintage speaker, look no further than the Scumback.
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I completely agree with your assessment of the M75. IMO, Scumbacks are the best speakers being made on the planet at the moment. TO, what wattage-rated version do you have ?
Strangely, if anyone in the UK is interested in an 8 ohm M75 (65W), I should have one for sale in the next week or two. I have M75's and H75's but I'm finding the H75's suit my "slightly more modern" requirements. I'm awaiting a delivery of a new H75 to replace a current M75 in my cab. As soon as the new H75 arrives, the M75 will be available.
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your new speaker sounds well tasty from your clip and description! would you say its similar to the celestion g12-65?
slight divert, but do you think the phil holborne would work well with a marshall 2204 type amp? presumably yes, as its similar to the splawn.
edit: was just at the scumback site.. sounds like the M75-LHDC clip they have there? cut and paste error?
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I have a pair of M75-LHDC's still in the box (I am waiting for the cab), but having heard this, I now will have to try out against my Sidewinders. The LHDC is supposed to be the G12-65 model, I got the pair for my Ceriatone Overtone Special, as they are supposed to be the speaker for Dumble clones. Hearing Ben's recording though has made me decide that I will get the Ear Candy Sovereign 1x12 out of storage and put one of the Scumbacks into it. It is a great classic rock sound that he has got, and this is listening to an MP3 recording on my PC!
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your new speaker sounds well tasty from your clip and description! would you say its similar to the celestion g12-65?
I've actually tried G12-65's and and M75/H75 mix in the same cab. To my ears the g12-65's were very noticeably darker than the M75. To be honest it wasn't the fairest test, as the M75 was straight out of the box, and the G12-65's were well broken in.
My M75 is now broken in too but, from memory, the G12-65's were still noticeably darker - too dark to get a good 70's rock crunch with, IMO.
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Hey gwEm, perhaps you should talk to hamfist and try the scumback speaker with your marshall!!
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Sounds great, probably my favourite recorded tone I've heard of yours when you turned up the gain a bit :)
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Sorry to be rude, but the clip sounds EXACTLY like my MG50DFX
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that sounded very nice. :)
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I completely agree with your assessment of the M75. IMO, Scumbacks are the best speakers being made on the planet at the moment. TO, what wattage-rated version do you have ?
After going back and forth with Jim re: exactly what I was looking for, and after he checked out the specs on the Quick Rod, he recommended the 100W version, and that's that I got. That particular clip was done with the QR in half power mode (approx 55w), with master volume up about 30%. (L O U D !!!)
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slight divert, but do you think the phil holborne would work well with a marshall 2204 type amp? presumably yes, as its similar to the splawn.
YES. Buy one. It is the most transparent boost I've ever heard. It doesn't have quite the harmonic complexity of the Klon (I'll grudgingly admit that), but is preferable for they type of sound I'm going for.
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that sounded very nice. :)
Thanks, Dave!
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Sounds great, probably my favourite recorded tone I've heard of yours when you turned up the gain a bit :)
Thanks, _tom_ !
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Sorry to be rude, but the clip sounds EXACTLY like my MG50DFX
No, it doesn't.
See how easy it is to play the you-push-I-push-back game? PDT_008
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Sorry to be rude, but the clip sounds EXACTLY like my MG50DFX
No, it doesn't.
See how easy it is to play the you-push-I-push-back game? PDT_008
Sorry I didn't mean to 'push' you :?
I think my ears must be having a weird day. Yesterday I loved my amp, today it sounds absolutely terrible on the same settings, and your god-set-up sounds like an MG? Something must be wrong.
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that sounded very nice. :)
Thanks, Dave!
:)
quick question, though- when there was the massive boost in overdrive, was that you switching the pedal on, or switching channels on the quickrod?
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Sounds alright, would prefer to hear a Gibson type guitar through it to judge better.
Definately has that late 70s character atleast though
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that sounded very nice. :)
Thanks, Dave!
:)
quick question, though- when there was the massive boost in overdrive, was that you switching the pedal on, or switching channels on the quickrod?
That is 100% clean channel on the Splawn. The gain boost is from the Treble Booster.
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the G12-65's were still noticeably darker - too dark to get a good 70's rock crunch with, IMO.
I've reflected on this a little bit today, and thought that maybe the G12-65's would be the perfect speakers to tame a 2203/4 circuit with all the bright caps in place.
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Sorry to be rude, but the clip sounds EXACTLY like my MG50DFX
No, it doesn't.
See how easy it is to play the you-push-I-push-back game? PDT_008
Sorry I didn't mean to 'push' you :?
I think my ears must be having a weird day. Yesterday I loved my amp, today it sounds absolutely terrible on the same settings, and your god-set-up sounds like an MG? Something must be wrong.
Sorry to be rude, but what is your setup exactly? Or is it the MG?
No Offence and i'm not being funny but i can't actually remember a single clip from you that reaches this kind of tone.
And to TO, I like it as you said before its very FULL sounding and clear. Can't wait to hear the PI tracks with this setup.
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Sorry to be rude, but the clip sounds EXACTLY like my MG50DFX
No, it doesn't.
See how easy it is to play the you-push-I-push-back game? PDT_008
Sorry I didn't mean to 'push' you :?
I think my ears must be having a weird day. Yesterday I loved my amp, today it sounds absolutely terrible on the same settings, and your god-set-up sounds like an MG? Something must be wrong.
Sorry to be rude, but what is your setup exactly? Or is it the MG?
No Offence and i'm not being funny but i can't actually remember a single clip from you that reaches this kind of tone.
And to TO, I like it as you said before its very FULL sounding and clear. Can't wait to hear the PI tracks with this setup.
Leave the guy alone, tone is subjective - And to be honest, I don't like it that much either.
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tone is subjective and i agree with indysmith here, the tone just isn't for me. The bit before the boost sounds like a 5w starter practice amp. then a loud practice amp. And i don't see how indy's clips come into anything?
Glad you're happy with the tone TO, just not to my taste.
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Sorry to be rude, but the clip sounds EXACTLY like my MG50DFX
No, it doesn't.
See how easy it is to play the you-push-I-push-back game? PDT_008
Sorry I didn't mean to 'push' you :?
I think my ears must be having a weird day. Yesterday I loved my amp, today it sounds absolutely terrible on the same settings, and your god-set-up sounds like an MG? Something must be wrong.
Sorry to be rude, but what is your setup exactly? Or is it the MG?
No Offence and i'm not being funny but i can't actually remember a single clip from you that reaches this kind of tone.
And to TO, I like it as you said before its very FULL sounding and clear. Can't wait to hear the PI tracks with this setup.
Leave the guy alone, tone is subjective - And to be honest, I don't like it that much either.
I know that tone is subjective, it was just a completely stupid and unnecessary comment that was made with the whole sorry to be rude starting meaning that every intent was to be rude/offensive.
If needs be i shall record a clip of the marshall MG sat behind me and see if it sounds similar.
Anyways this is all beside the point and people should ignore this petty debate and get back to listening to the clip and posting there feedback.
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Okay, can we try not to make this thread turn nasty?!
To badger/noodle/whoever else -- you're totally right, beauty is in the ear of the beholder. Not your cup of tea? No worries, thanks for listening anyway. :)
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I like it :D It's too hard to put the tone of a speaker into context from an mp3 (for me anyway), but I thought it was a great tone - especially with the treble booster on. I bet it sounds great live!
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Hey gwEm, perhaps you should talk to hamfist and try the scumback speaker with your marshall!!
great idea - in fact i have just been in touch with hamfist about scumback stuff ;)
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slight divert, but do you think the phil holborne would work well with a marshall 2204 type amp? presumably yes, as its similar to the splawn.
YES. Buy one. It is the most transparent boost I've ever heard. It doesn't have quite the harmonic complexity of the Klon (I'll grudgingly admit that), but is preferable for they type of sound I'm going for.
i'll get one then and if and it sucks i will come to brooklyn swap your splawn for a peavy bandit ;)
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Now that sounded superb Ben. Loved the cranked up tone too.
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Sounds good to me! I don't know if it's the speaker, the amp, the booster, the guitar, the pickup or Ben's fingers, but I really like that tight-as-a-gnat's-chuff tone with just a hint of latent bass power lurking in the background.
What wood is that Tele again?
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Mahogany - don't ask where it came from. It was a body I had around that I wasn't using but I can't remember where it came from (other than off of eBay!).
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I think I'll have to pick up a pair of those for the Peavey Classic. The Blue Marvels aren't the greatest speaker on the planet. Nice clip :)
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Sorry to be rude, but the clip sounds EXACTLY like my MG50DFX
haha my thoughts exactly.
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That is 100% clean channel on the Splawn. The gain boost is from the Treble Booster.
oh wow, that sounds excellent then! :D
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This speaker, simply put, will not break up and no matter how hard I hammered it, never got brittle, spitty, chuffy, wooly, or any other negative side effect I've had from cranking a single 12".
But I like spitty :?
LOL
Great clip, especially from 0:18 on when it sounds like 80s rock heaven to me!