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At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: Nadz1lla on August 11, 2008, 12:37:22 AM
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Votes on the bad guy!!! :D
Catwoman is looking like the strongest possibility, closely followed by The Riddler. The Penguin would probably be a suitable candidate too.
I was hoping for Talia Al Ghul to make an appearance but that would mean bringing Ra's back from the dead, and although this happens in the comics (Ra's is supposedly immortal, regenerating himself in the Lazarus Pits) Chris Nolan wants to steer well clear of any "supernatural" stuff. I actually agree with his approach, I love the way he has made all these comic book characters "real" so far. I mean even the appearance of the other "bad guy" near the end of TDK was done very well as I wasn't sure how he would be portrayed. I was suitably impressed. (Obv not going into detail for people who haven't seen it yet, hehe.)
Another character I am kind of hoping for is Bane. He was the character who is known for breaking Batman's back. That would also mean bringing in Azrael and having that whole power struggle storyline brewing, which I think could make for an interesting film. I mean, Batman gets fairly beaten up in these films, showing that inside that suit is an otherwise fairly normal human being, the whole Bane breaking his back would really add more to that I think.
Thoughts? :)
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I wouldn't mind some of the less famous villains getting a look in such as Scarecrow or Clayface.
They would probably make for a less action-oriented film but would be a bit of a psychological thrill-ride (Scarecrow using horror clichés and Clayface being virtually anybody).
I think the use of the Penguin or Catwoman in the next one would be unlikely as it would parallel the Tim Burton films (which are excellent).
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The current rumours seem to be:
Johnny Depp as The Riddler
Phillip Seymour Hoffman as The Penguin
Personally my favourite Batman stories where from the early 70s when along with the Scarecrow Batman was also fighting against Mexican immortals (very Vampire like) and the guy who could see via his fingertips.
Suitably creepy without going so far as having super powered villans
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i think 'keeping it real' really does make it difficult to choose - but they have done pretty well so far. I think they should avoid the riddler and penguin as its just following the old franchise if it does and there are so many more they could use and introduce people to... hmm, maybe we need arnie to revise his role as mr freeze - i only saw that film once and it still haunts me
havning said that i would like to see there take on catwoman
clayface would be awesome
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Hugo strange would be perfect in the 'real world' Batman
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The main thing the film makers are up against as regards future villains is 'just how many of the lesser known villains do the average public know about?'
This is the main reason I think they're more likely to go with someone that's already been done (Catwoman, Penguin, Riddler etc) and 'spin it' a different way than to bring in a lesser known villain.
It may hurt their appeal if they bring in characters that people aren't too familiar with, and the last thing they want with a super hero/comic book film is to limit their appeal even more.
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yeah but having done two new batman films so well i hope they will have more freedom to do it as they want.... we can hope!!
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My vote is for the Riddler. Johnny Depp would be a good choise or maybe Anthony Hopkins.
As long as they make him highly intelligent, megalomaniac and ruthlesly sadistic.
And for gawd sakes design a new Batmobile.
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My vote is for the Riddler. Johnny Depp would be a good choise or maybe Anthony Hopkins.
As long as they make him highly intelligent, megalomaniac and ruthlesly sadistic.
And for gawd sakes design a new Batmobile.
I disagree - Frank Miller's batmobile is a crucial part of the film.
It's alot more realistic and practical than the well known batmobile.
This film is hugely based on Frank Miller's batman, and to get rid of the batmobile, would be missing the point of the character Frank Miller created here, a dark, cruel, takes no shiteee, goes at them with everything batman.
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Double post =/
But might aswell use it.
In relation to which villain to use, I say stay away from Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, Clayman, etc, too supernatural.
Riddler would be absolutely PERFECT, with all the riddles and clues etc, could make a superbly clever film, like TDK was, and if anyone's watched the Prestige, will know, Christopher Nolan is damn good at that sort of thing, however, the approach could be a little too similar to the Joker? The evil genius characters are much better than the supernatural characters, so maybe even the Penguin? But perhaps without so many umbrella gadgets.
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Does it really need a supervillian? There is an interview with David S Goyer (who helped write the movies with the Nolans) who said they have an idea that doesn't need a central supervillian.
My big question is what's going down with the Joker? Unlikely to be recast, but will he feature at all in the next one? Unless there is a throw away line about him being executed or something...
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might be quite cool to have no supervillian in fact... unless the next film will be the last one in the nolan series, in which case i definately want to see the riddler.
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Just to be awesome- read the very last (bottom right) Gotham Times (TDK marketing page) (http://thegothamtimes.com/issue2/page2.htm). A letter by Edward Nashton.
The first person who tells me who Edward Nashton is wins a prize.
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Ah, well, Nashton's not his real name, is it?
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I think introducing lesser known villains would be good. The general public who don't know the comics will probably still appreciate it as a good movie.
The thing is, whilst parralleling the Tim Burton franchise isn't optimal for some of us, it makes sense, as all the villains he used seem to be the first main villains Batman encountered in the comics. If Nolan wants to be time-line accurate as far as the comics go then Catwoman would be a good next step, as would either Riddler or Penguin.
I think Penguin will be fairly easy to implement as a "real" character. They wouldn't have to go too far with the brolly gadgets, maybe have one gadget like a brolly sword, it would make sense (like a sword-cane type thing). I'm not sure if Penguin being deformed was a Tim Burton thing, I always remember him just being a "normal" person who dressed in those dapper suits who was particularly good at being a criminal. The suits and his pointy nose being the reason he was named the Penguin. Although I'm sure anyone here who has a better knowledge of the comics could confirm or put me straight, heh.
I'm still rooting for Bane though. Nolan made a good point of putting Wayne through his martial arts paces at the Monastery in "...Begins". It would be nice to have him come up against a seemingly physically superior fighter and having a rough time trying to defeat him. One of the things I missed in the last film was a really good ruck where you get to see him properly using those skills as a martial artist.
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Just to be awesome- read the very last (bottom right) Gotham Times (TDK marketing page) (http://thegothamtimes.com/issue2/page2.htm). A letter by Edward Nashton.
The first person who tells me who Edward Nashton is wins a prize.
Google says riddler :D
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There's a thought & Hope going round that the Riddler could be like a Zodiac type killer..now I really like that idea!
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see, i thought they could do clayface in a non-supernatural way quite easily - - - although it might end up like the farce that was the end of the first mission impossible film
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Riddler does seem the most likely option of the major Batman villains, but I think there's also a place for a creepy and dark take on the Mad Hatter if they're prepared to go down the route that the comic Hatter took in recent years. Perhaps a subplot? A spree of bizarre Riddler killings becoming entangled with a child-kidnap Mad Hatter theme?
I don't think they'd go with any of the more supernatural or goofy "deformed" villains; can't see Poison Ivy or Killer Croc making it somehow. I suppose if they want to keep drawing on the darker Batman comic material, they could always adapt the Holiday killings from "The Long Hallowe'en" somehow, which would also have the advantage of furthering the Batman-cops-Mafia triangle set-up that the first two movies have been built on.
I just hope they keep it hard and dark as hell; the Nolan/Bale movies have been some of the best comic book adaptations ever. I'd rank them up there with Superman 1&2, easily.
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Damn you Mecca! I was just about to suggest the Mad Hatter! Having been watching dvds of the old animated series, I can say he's one of my favourites.
There seems to be a lot of speculation about the Riddler, which to be honest, I wouldn't have a problem with. It would certainly create a very interesting movie.
Although I think Talia Al Ghul would be a good idea, considering how Batman Begins ended.
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I would like to see the Riddler as the main villain - but a really nasty version.
To back him up I'd go for a combination of Killer Croc, Clayface and although not a Villain I would love to see Man-Bat get a look in.....
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Although I think Talia Al Ghul would be a good idea, considering how Batman Begins ended.
Aye Talia would be an awesome addition, but the thing is, in the comics, Ra's, Talia and Battie have such an intertwined "family" story thing going on they would really have to bring Ra's back for it to work, especially for the Comic fans. Considering Nolan wants nothing to do with the supernatural stuff they're going to have to work hard on how to plausibly bring him back from that monorail wreck. If he was going supernatural, Ra's followers could easily just take his barely-living body back to the Lazarus Pits for his immortal regeneration but somehow I think Nolan will steer well clear of that.
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I'd like the idea of a big, hulking mob boss that goes by the name Penguin. Not a deformed midget like the comics. Like Harvey Dent was always called Harvey, even at the end. I don't remember there being a MASSIVE thing about calling him Two-Face, at least after Gordon visited him. Damn I want to see TDK again.
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I wouldn't mind seeing what they could do with Vertigo (although it could end up a bit too art-house for a Hollywood Blockbuster.
I always felt that The Penguin's deformity was integral to his character, motivating his crimes as a way of funding his reintegration into high society.
I am against the Riddler being involved as I have always seen him as a campier version of the Joker (Although I thought Heath Ledger was a bad choice seeing as he had to live up to Jack Nicholson's performance of the part in the first Tim Burton film.).
I think that if one were to use the Riddler it would only be as a suggestion of a pattern linking disparate crimes as opposed to the obtuse clues Adam West used to follow. Perhaps he could be used as a kingpin figure across the series but never properly revealed or credited, like a figure in the background that recurs (maybe he's already there... :| ).
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(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2812/riddlerpostercopycopyys0.jpg)
Very nice Photoshopping - He'd make a superb villain.
New question - Who would you cast as Riddler if it was him?
I like the idea of David Tennant :>
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Devin Townsend would probably do a decent job as he has the kind of unhinged sense of humour I, if I were the director, would be looking for. He can also act, even if he is playing himself.
I can see him in a grotty basement plotting the downfall of Batman.
Alternatively Phil Cool could probably do with the work (although he might be better as Two-face or Clayface.).
Dylan Moran or Bill Bailey could probably have a good crack at it, too.
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Didn't someone mention Simon Pegg as a possible for the Riddler?
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Didn't someone mention Simon Pegg as a possible for the Riddler?
He did a good job at a dark character in that Dr Who he did.
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If we're talking comedians as possibilities to play The Riddler, I reckon someone like Eddie Izzard would be a good choice, someone with a bit of a darker side to them
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did you not see mystery men! not sure Eddies past experience as a comic book villian will help him out
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Someon mentioned Johnny Depp. Not a bad choise.
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did you not see mystery men! not sure Eddies past experience as a comic book villian will help him out
Yeah I did, he played an awful baddie in The Avengers film too :lol:
I just thought of him as he has a darker side to him that I think could suit the character. Aslong as they don't get Jim Carrey again I don't mind tbh! :D
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Awww, when you said Avengers film I thought you meant this!
http://www.firstshowing.net/2007/05/19/marvel-avengers-movie-with-iron-man-and-hulk-coming-eventually/ (http://www.firstshowing.net/2007/05/19/marvel-avengers-movie-with-iron-man-and-hulk-coming-eventually/)
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I thought Jim Carey wasn't a bad casting choice.
It was sticking him in a green suit and making him do his generic 'Jim Carey' film performance that spoilt the part.
If he had been made to do some acting he would probably have done a decent job of it.
I'd put Robin Williams as a potential cast member for the performance he gave in 'One Hour Photo'.
Who I would REALLY like to see in the part would be Adam West. His overly dramatic voice and flat delivery would give a certain psychotic edge to the part I feel.
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I thought Jim Carey wasn't a bad casting choice.
It was sticking him in a green suit and making him do his generic 'Jim Carey' film performance that spoilt the part.
If he had been made to do some acting he would probably have done a decent job of it.
I'd put Robin Williams as a potential cast member for the performance he gave in 'One Hour Photo'.
Who I would REALLY like to see in the part would be Adam West. His overly dramatic voice and flat delivery would give a certain psychotic edge to the part I feel.
Good points about the performance of the Riddler. Also a +1 about Robin Williams, hadn't thought of that before
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I thought Jim Carey wasn't a bad casting choice.
It was sticking him in a green suit and making him do his generic 'Jim Carey' film performance that spoilt the part.
If he had been made to do some acting he would probably have done a decent job of it.
I'd put Robin Williams as a potential cast member for the performance he gave in 'One Hour Photo'.
But nobody "makes" Jim Carrey do all that rubber-faced idiot bollocks - it's what he does naturally. In the one or two decent performances he's done I bet they had to force him to stop gurning and behaving like a cretin.
And Robin Williams is exactly the same - it's natural for him to be irritatingly manic or mawkishly sentimental. He's great in One Hour Photo and pretty good in Insomnia, but if they'd given him free reign he'd have turned them into Jack or Patch Adams.
Having said that, Williams has already worked with Christopher Nolan so - if they got on OK - he might be a possibility for a Batman movie.
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another shout for the Riddler...Guy Pearce, not done bad since Neighbours
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another shout for the Riddler...Guy Pearce, not done bad since Neighbours
And another previous Nolan collaborator. He's very intense and serious though - he'd make a good villain, but not sure about The Riddler.
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I thought Jim Carey wasn't a bad casting choice.
It was sticking him in a green suit and making him do his generic 'Jim Carey' film performance that spoilt the part.
If he had been made to do some acting he would probably have done a decent job of it.
I'd put Robin Williams as a potential cast member for the performance he gave in 'One Hour Photo'.
But nobody "makes" Jim Carrey do all that rubber-faced idiot bollocks - it's what he does naturally. In the one or two decent performances he's done I bet they had to force him to stop gurning and behaving like a cretin.
And Robin Williams is exactly the same - it's natural for him to be irritatingly manic or mawkishly sentimental. He's great in One Hour Photo and pretty good in Insomnia, but if they'd given him free reign he'd have turned them into Jack or Patch Adams.
Having said that, Williams has already worked with Christopher Nolan so - if they got on OK - he might be a possibility for a Batman movie.
I think the whole point of Williams' role in Insomnia was he's trying to change the stereotype and become a proper actor.
And if so, he could be worth a shot.
Either way - Its all down to the auditions, and Christopher has never done a bad cast yet, and he'll have all of hollywood to choose from...
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But nobody "makes" Jim Carrey do all that rubber-faced idiot bollocks - it's what he does naturally. In the one or two decent performances he's done I bet they had to force him to stop gurning and behaving like a cretin.
I always assumed that was what he was paid for, and he probably assumes the same, which might be why he has so many films playing the same stage persona he built up over his standup career.
He is, however, consistent and only seems to fall down due to poor direction or scripting in a lot of the films he does.
I was figuring he could use that persona and another one to create a really creepy nutter version of the character.
As it was, in Batman Forever, he just did what he usually does as it gets the money in.
I thought Robin Williams would do well as he's a bit older and so it could be implied he was active before the events of the first film in the series (an innocent man being sent to Arkham asylum) and is mistaken for a copycat killer.
This would allow them to use Arkham as a location as well as remove the campiness from the character without completely re-writing him.
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i think the penguin can be ruled out since it would mirror the burton films and it doesnt seem to be in the character of the new films... it wouldnt really be a good fight scene with batman and the penguin with an umbrella sword.. not this time around.
catwoman is the easy choice.. but that terrible movie a few years back might have put the end to that. It will probably be some little known baddie... but maybe done differently to fit the films.
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I was thinking today at work about potential casting choices for the Riddler, since it seems he's the most likely choice of bad guy in the next Batman movie. Guy Pearce would be a good choice; what do people think of Paul Bettany or Marc Warren?
I've been trying to picture a direction they could take the Riddler which would fit the Nolan Batman universe without having too many overt similarities to the Joker and Two-Face depictions in "The Dark Knight"; I like the idea of a petty criminal with OCD or some sort of other compulsion, perhaps accidentally killing someone, sent to Arkham Asylum after being captured by Batman, breaking out with a far worse version of his mania and seeking revenge in a wave of vicious "Saw"/"Hostel"-esque "riddle murders" where the "moral" of each killing relates to some character flaw or secret the victim had been trying to hide...
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a wave of vicious "Saw"/"Hostel"-esque "riddle murders" where the "moral" of each killing relates to some character flaw or secret the victim had been trying to hide...
A bit too Se7en-ish, perhaps? And remember it has to be suitable for a PG-13 or 12A certificate.
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I know it has to hit that age range, but I actually thought The Dark Knight was a very dark film especially with the 'pencil trick'.
pencil trick joke (http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=3359)
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I know it has to hit that age range, but I actually thought The Dark Knight was a very dark film especially with the 'pencil trick'.
Absolutely - I was amazed just how dark it was. But all done the old-fashioned way - lots of implied nastiness that you don't really see, so you imagine it instead. Hardly a drop of blood. And no strong language at all, that I can remember.
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Just to be awesome- read the very last (bottom right) Gotham Times (TDK marketing page) (http://thegothamtimes.com/issue2/page2.htm). A letter by Edward Nashton.
The first person who tells me who Edward Nashton is wins a prize.
An Edward Nygma pseudonym. That's witout google, I promise.
I do like the idea of the man who made (and co-wrote) The Prestige and Memento making a film with The Ridder in it.
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I've not seen either film, I should probably give them a go before offering any more suggestions on who and how the next film will be, hehe. It sounds like his writing style would have a big effect on his decision.
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Is there a good compilation of 70s batman stories?
Ive picked up copies of Year One and Dark Knight Returns recently. Really liked them. Id love to check out some of the 70s stories.