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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: FELINEGUITARS on August 26, 2008, 12:19:16 AM

Title: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on August 26, 2008, 12:19:16 AM
A while back I was reunited with a great guitar that I had made about 6 years ago , and showed it off here .
It was my first "review" guitar and looked spectacular.
That was snapped up by Catalyst77 - or rather his girlfriend did on his behalf as a present which makes her a totally perfect girlfriend.
But I was so taken with the colour scheme on that guitar that I decided to repeat it for the one that i was building for myself. (yes - I was getting repeatedly heartbroken by selling every guitar I make for myself so I am calling this one mine!)
I wasn't supposed to have it yet but my paint guys did some of my work out of sequence so it came through ahead of other more urgent jobs (Grrr!), but I have enjoyed having her finished and have been playing her lots.

She's loaded up with Mules and as ever features the Earvana compensated tuning system, TonePros bridge and locking studs with an aluminium tailpiece, whilst tuning duties are handled by Sperzel locking heads.
The neck joint is my usual all access joint which many of you are familiar with already, and the neck is my usual 3 piece construction for added strength and rigidity.
The fretboard is macassar ebony and it has huge Dunlop 6000 fretwire.
I used some Vitamin Q capacitors with the usual CTS pots and the tones are just great
Here are some first pix - the stripes move which is groovy - cant see that in a still picture though

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/CUSTOM%20BUILT/bonesfront.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/CUSTOM%20BUILT/bonesbodyfront.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/CUSTOM%20BUILT/PICT4841.jpg)
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: Fikealox on August 26, 2008, 12:24:26 AM
That is so ridiculously good looking. Very classy, man :) Out of curiousity, what tuners do you usually use?
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: il˙ti on August 26, 2008, 12:25:53 AM
You've got good taste Jon! That's pretty much the les paul of my dreams. I love Mules, I love flametops, I love macassar ebony, I love... lamp... sorry. Great colour on it too.
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on August 26, 2008, 12:34:09 AM
That is so ridiculously good looking. Very classy, man :) Out of curiousity, what tuners do you usually use?
I do tend to like using Sperzels for locking heads but will go with whatever the player /customer wants.
If I use Kluson type heads with the stone coloured heads I tend to go for the TonePros versions - feel really nice
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: gwEm on August 26, 2008, 12:41:50 AM
but my paint guys did some of my work out of sequence so it came through ahead of other more urgent jobs (Grrr!)
;)  :roll:

nice guitar though mate, with the downwards pointing flame top. A4 mules?
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on August 26, 2008, 12:53:37 AM
but my paint guys did some of my work out of sequence so it came through ahead of other more urgent jobs (Grrr!)
;)  :roll:

nice guitar though mate, with the downwards pointing flame top. A4 mules?

thanks - I love it
Yes A4 mules sounds great ......
The grain patern is very tasty - not too OTT but the downwards chevron of the stripes is unusual

I have nicknamed her "Bones" because the grain looks like ribs.......
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: noodleplugerine on August 26, 2008, 07:05:24 AM
Really gorgeous.
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Post by: 38thBeatle on August 26, 2008, 07:11:41 AM
A handsome beast for sure.
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Post by: horsehead on August 26, 2008, 07:12:12 AM
excuse me tissues needed!
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: WezV on August 26, 2008, 08:58:16 AM
its the neck join i like most.. a 3 piece mahogany neck with a deep set neck tenon that can be carved away for better access... thats puts it well ahead of a gibson in terms of stability, comfort and eco-friendlyness
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: Philly Q on August 26, 2008, 09:10:06 AM
its the neck join i like most.. a 3 piece mahogany neck with a deep set neck tenon that can be carved away for better access...

We all love that neck join! :D

Since this one's a "keeper", what neck shape did you go for?
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: phlip on August 26, 2008, 09:15:55 AM
That is seriously wonderful.

Good job I can't afford a new guitar (Good job for me that is not you :D )
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on August 26, 2008, 09:34:28 AM
its the neck join i like most.. a 3 piece mahogany neck with a deep set neck tenon that can be carved away for better access...

We all love that neck join! :D

Since this one's a "keeper", what neck shape did you go for?
Something between the 59 and 60 taper
I usually like the 60 taper best - but this is nice for a meatier neck
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: MrBump on August 26, 2008, 10:11:50 AM
its the neck join i like most.. a 3 piece mahogany neck with a deep set neck tenon that can be carved away for better access...

We all love that neck join! :D

Since this one's a "keeper", what neck shape did you go for?
Something between the 59 and 60 taper
I usually like the 60 taper best - but this is nice for a meatier neck

Plus the neck joint is actually sexy, if you know what I mean.  Curvey and smooth.

... or is that just me?
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: sgmypod on August 26, 2008, 10:57:26 AM
Help am thinkin re mortgage..for a lion
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: hunter on August 26, 2008, 02:36:35 PM

Great looking guitar!

At first I thought all white parts should be cream instead, but at second I think white is actually cool!
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on August 26, 2008, 02:41:41 PM

Great looking guitar!

At first I thought all white parts should be cream instead, but at second I think white is actually cool!

They are cream - just look a bit washed out in the pics I guess?
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: Matt77 on August 26, 2008, 02:45:31 PM
Now I want another one!
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: Philly Q on August 26, 2008, 02:47:13 PM

Great looking guitar!

At first I thought all white parts should be cream instead, but at second I think white is actually cool!

They are cream - just look a bit washed out in the pics I guess?

I find cream parts nearly always look white in photos, unless they're right next to something which is actually white.
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: Sifu Ben on August 26, 2008, 02:52:50 PM
You could get me into serious trouble with the mrs......
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: dave_mc on August 26, 2008, 03:22:15 PM
that looks great. :)
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: Crazy_Joe on August 26, 2008, 04:17:53 PM
I want one :(

Awesome guitar as always!
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: Johnny Mac on August 26, 2008, 08:19:50 PM
More torture!! Looks very very nice Jonathon  :D
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: kevincurtis on August 26, 2008, 10:11:38 PM
That does look superb, and with that neck join must be dream to play! :)  how much do you get for a kidney these days?! :lol:
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: Afghan Dave on August 26, 2008, 10:12:32 PM
More torture!! Looks very very nice Jonathon  :D

Practice the Buddhist skill of quiet patience...  One day you will play her... I know yours baby exists... I've seen her naked and she's lovely.  :(  
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FernandoDuarte on August 26, 2008, 10:19:19 PM
hehehehehehehe Damn you Johnathan!
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: PhilKing on August 27, 2008, 12:20:07 AM
It is a beautiful guitar Jonathan, though I like the chevrons to go the other way!  Still I am sure that it sounds and plays perfectly.  What's the weight like?
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on August 27, 2008, 12:58:49 AM
9.4LB
Fairly heavy - big old chunk of 30yr old Brazillian mahogany in the body
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: il˙ti on August 27, 2008, 01:10:43 AM
Yeah that's a big'un. My Les Paul clocks in just over 9lb. Everyone who played it commented on the weight. :lol:
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: opprobrium_9 on August 27, 2008, 04:18:38 AM
Beautiful as ever.  I hope someday to afford a Feline!
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: Sifu Ben on August 27, 2008, 12:15:15 PM
I'm thinking about taking a third job to pay for one :(
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: Johnny Mac on August 27, 2008, 11:25:01 PM
More torture!! Looks very very nice Jonathon  :D

Practice the Buddhist skill of quiet patience...  One day you will play her... I know yours baby exists... I've seen her naked and she's lovely.  :( 

Yes Dave your right, ok back to the half lotus position  :lol:
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on August 28, 2008, 12:00:39 AM
More torture!! Looks very very nice Jonathon  :D

Practice the Buddhist skill of quiet patience...  One day you will play her... I know yours baby exists... I've seen her naked and she's lovely.  :( 

Yes Dave your right, ok back to the half lotus position  :lol:

Right - think I have resolved the problem that I was having with your midi equipped Lion Johnny
Problem was how to fit a flat plate that hold the midi 13 pin socket to a curved surface.
The answer was obviously to recess a flat surface onto the side of the body.
I had made a couple of templates to do that with a router and tested on scr@p but hadnt been pleased with the results - hence I hadn't risked cutting it on your guitar yet.
The trouble had been holding the template steady enough on the side of the guitar where the only surface to clamp it to had an arched front which kind of kept spitting the jig off the guitar at the slightest provocation, and no amount of double sided tape was holding fast.
I am having a better template carefully machined up on a CNC machine and it will involve a curved top plate bracket that will hopefully hug the rim of the guitar and not be displaced.
Sorry this has taken extra time but jig making is time consuming enough, and I have to be confident in it working ok before I attack your guitar with it as you only get one chance to get it right.

The midi stuff is the last thing holding this beast up from going off to paint and getting back to you.

Now - out of interest we have just had our logos done in stainless steel thin enough to go under the paint
Did you think that might look cool on the headstock- will kind of match the stainless frets
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: JustBecos on August 28, 2008, 12:38:20 AM

Now - out of interest we have just had our logos done in stainless steel thin enough to go under the paint
Did you think that might look cool on the headstock- will kind of match the stainless frets

That sounds very cool, Go for it
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: Fikealox on August 28, 2008, 01:00:16 AM
That will look awesome, imo :D
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on August 28, 2008, 02:15:10 AM
That will look awesome, imo :D

Yeah - we are waiting to get the catseye headstock logo done in mother of pearl as well
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: GuiTony on August 28, 2008, 08:40:43 AM
That is a thing of beauty - and I don't normally like the LP shape ...

I'm going to have to drop by the shop ... I'm in Kingswood (bottom of A217 just inside the M25) for another month or so ... and reckon a trip to Croydon is do-able in a lunchtime  ... a "long" lunchtime, obviously   :twisted:
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: JamesHealey on August 28, 2008, 10:03:31 AM
try PEC pots instead of those your using, quite a bit more expensive but they seem to open up the tone some how.
real good quality military pots.
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: WezV on August 28, 2008, 10:36:10 AM
yeah but no pot in the world will make you a better player, no pickup either i suppose

hmm, might make you sound better though and thats really what the search for tone is all about

i just read your response to the tortis pick thread;

Quote
NO GUITAR PICK ON THIS PLANET WILL MAKE YOU A BETTER PLAYER!

it can really be applied to any of these things we spend our money on

 :wink: :D
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on August 28, 2008, 11:28:09 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/CUSTOM%20BUILT/PICT4889.jpg)

Here is another picture but next to one of my other main toys that I love - my 1986 Charvel Model 2
Most of you wont have seen Mr Charvel and I have had it 21 years now although it had a serious rebuild about 6 years ago
The neck is original - albeit refretted recently with Dunlop 6000 fretwire.
It has a newer alder body and the paint finish is one of those colour changing ones that goes from a sandy gold colour to the purple that you see in this photo
An original Floyd and an old EMG 58 (old model - discontinued about 1990) round out the hardware.
The EMG runs on 18v for a bit of extra headroom.
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: Matt77 on August 29, 2008, 04:17:02 AM
mmmmmm guitar porn
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: MrBump on August 29, 2008, 09:02:11 AM
Johathan, at what point does that Charvel become like Triggers broom in Only Fools and Horses?

(15 new handles, 25 new heads, but still the same broom...)
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on August 29, 2008, 09:55:36 AM
Johathan, at what point does that Charvel become like Triggers broom in Only Fools and Horses?

(15 new handles, 25 new heads, but still the same broom...)

Pah - the neckplate is still original!
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on September 03, 2008, 12:26:18 AM

Right - think I have resolved the problem that I was having with your midi equipped Lion Johnny
Problem was how to fit a flat plate that hold the midi 13 pin socket to a curved surface.
The answer was obviously to recess a flat surface onto the side of the body.
I had made a couple of templates to do that with a router and tested on scr@p but hadnt been pleased with the results - hence I hadn't risked cutting it on your guitar yet.
The trouble had been holding the template steady enough on the side of the guitar where the only surface to clamp it to had an arched front which kind of kept spitting the jig off the guitar at the slightest provocation, and no amount of double sided tape was holding fast.
I am having a better template carefully machined up on a CNC machine and it will involve a curved top plate bracket that will hopefully hug the rim of the guitar and not be displaced.
Sorry this has taken extra time but jig making is time consuming enough, and I have to be confident in it working ok before I attack your guitar with it as you only get one chance to get it right.


Ok - have been working on a new template/jig  to cut for the plate
Here it is - you can see the platform that the router will sit on and cut the rectangular recess
Note - not shown on Johnny's guitar in these pix
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/workshop%20pix/P1040955.jpg)

In order to grip the sides of a curved side & arched front, the front piece is cut away to grip the edges of the Lion body without being in the way of the arch
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/workshop%20pix/P1040958.jpg)

The whole assembly will tighten up via bolts and recessed bushings in the perspex (that was tricky to get right but seems to have worked). We will use clamps and additional bolts to hold it all stable and in position so we can mount the router and cut the recess
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/workshop%20pix/P1040959.jpg)
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FernandoDuarte on September 03, 2008, 01:10:26 AM
WOW! Prof Gyro Gearloose :D
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on September 12, 2008, 05:33:57 PM
Here is the finished installation
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/CUSTOM%20BUILT/PICT4985.jpg)
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: WezV on September 12, 2008, 05:43:42 PM
that jig really payed off didnt it!  Looks great
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on September 12, 2008, 05:54:17 PM
that jig really payed off didnt it!  Looks great

Yeah - big time
Glad I did it that way in the end - result justifies it all
Just sad that I got mentally paralysed for a while till I figured out a way to do it
Same was true over the control layout - just couldn't get it the way I wanted it inthe cavity I had cut until it all just came together - I kind of had too many options available with all the piezo and MIDi and all that.
Could have ended up with way too many holes and controls
Wanted to keep it classic looking and still have easy access to everything

End result worked out nicely
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/CUSTOM%20BUILT/PICT4980.jpg)

The most used volume control (bridge volume) will the nearest knob to the pickups, below it is the knob for the neck pickup
The other lower knob is the master tone control for the magnetic pickups

The knob nearest the tailpiece is the acoustic pickup volume knob (with a push/push bright/fat switch)
Then you have 3 mini switches
Nearest the controls is the Electric/mix/acoustic switch
Next is the synth/mix/guitar switch
Finally at the end is the synth patch up/down toggle
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: horsehead on September 12, 2008, 06:23:54 PM
that looks beautiful, maybe I wouldn't go for the midi option etc, but beautiful all the same
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: Matt77 on September 12, 2008, 06:47:00 PM
Another beauty from the workshop
Johnny Mac I'm sure it will be everything you wanted
What colour is it going to end up again?
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: _tom_ on September 12, 2008, 07:36:57 PM
Pretty nice but the tops a bit too light for me, would rather have some kind of burst/stain on it.
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: Roobubba on September 12, 2008, 07:41:39 PM
My poor little brain can only cope with one volume knob (which I only turn down during breaks between songs, eg), and one pickup. I don't know how you can cope with all of these controls! :)

Looks lovely, though. Great work!

Roo
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on September 12, 2008, 08:44:07 PM
The art was to keep it as simple as possible in spite of all the extra gubbins
It pretty much has flying v / explorer controls plus a volume for acoustic sounds
Colour will be honeyburst
Title: Re: NGD - Lion Content
Post by: il˙ti on September 12, 2008, 09:08:07 PM
That's kind of creepy. I was planning a custom guitar a lot like that, except with 7 strings and LP-DC shaped. All the Graphtech piezo and midi gear. Same control layout, but none of the bling bling.

I love playing keyboards but I'm really shitee at it. I just can't get my head around playing different parts in the right and the left hand. The guitar has destroyed my brain, I'm afraid. I think it would be very useful for me if I could lay down keyboard tracks from the guitar. Only problem is... it costs a lot.
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Post by: FernandoDuarte on September 12, 2008, 10:55:42 PM
Amazing work :o
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Post by: noodleplugerine on September 13, 2008, 01:53:01 AM
Lovely.