Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: _tom_ on September 20, 2005, 04:05:25 PM
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My mates after some new pickups for his Epi SG Extreme. All he plays is metal. I'm trying to convince him into getting a Miracle Man or Warpig, but he seems to think SD or EMG are better "because more people use them". I even showed him Tims MM soundclip, and Ratrods "Suicide Messiah" Warpig clip, but he still seems to think EMG or SD will be the best for metal. I dunno what else I can try to convince him! I just want him to get great tone! Some people eh
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I've had this with guitarists who haven't seen the light too. Well if more people like Steve Stevens start using them then perhaps more players will take notice. Man, all you have to do is hear the difference and you will be converted!
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I know, I plan to have a jam with him sometime to show him my Mules! The only trouble is, he has an SG with Floyd rose in it, which will sound completely different to my hardtail LP I'm guessing.
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Convince a mate to go Bareknuckle.....spill his pint!
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Convince a mate to go Bareknuckle.....spill his pint!
haha we're not old enough to get served at pubs yet :lol: 16 is a cr@p age really :P
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:D There`s not alot you can do. Just comment every time you hear him on how ordinary/cr@p his guitar sound is !
:D 8)
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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
He'll see the error of his ways some day.
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haha we're not old enough to get served at pubs yet :lol: 16 is a cr@p age really :P
have you got an older sister? Maybe she could convince him? :wink:
Seriously though, just play him one of the pro-style clips on this site, tell him its an EMG or SD; see what he thinks. Then tell him that its handmade by a small company in Britain, he can have it customised inside and out; and then, if he is still a total eejit, tell him to try and call Seymour Duncan himself to talk pickups. :D
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have you got an older sister? Maybe she could convince him? :wink:
Seriously though, just play him one of the pro-style clips on this site, tell him its an EMG or SD; see what he thinks. Then tell him that its handmade by a small company in Britain, he can have it customised inside and out; and then, if he is still a total eejit, tell him to try and call Seymour Duncan himself to talk pickups. :D
haha nope my sisters younger. I showed him Tims Miracle Man clip earlier and he said something like "hmm I think EMG will be better", my god I think I almost had a heart attack :lol: I dunno, I guess I'll have to let him get his SD's or whatever, and then he'll wish he hadnt spent his money on them :twisted:
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Well you could try and ridicule his argument that "most people use them". Lots of people bought S Club 7 cds - that didn't make them good. Best I can come up with.
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yeah I tried that one, but with Busted and McFly as the examples :lol:
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I have the same problem. Our lead guitarist's Malmsteen Strat could use a VHII and IT set and his Gibbo LP could use a set of Mules IMO.
I'm thinking I'm just more serious about my tone/music or that others are plain tone deaf. :evil:
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I'm thinking I'm just more serious about my tone/music or that others are plain tone deaf. :evil:
Yeah, all my mates, in my eyes, have "bad" setups. Sounds bad to say that but its true! Stock Epi guitars, into multifx units - zoom/boss/zoom, Marshall MGs/Valvestate/Laney Hardcore max respectively.
I probably sound like a snob or whatever for saying that but I dont care, I like good tone!
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Lend him your guitar for a few days- if you can bare to be without it- perhaps wait until you get your custom.
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Lend him your guitar for a few days- if you can bare to be without it- perhaps wait until you get your custom.
I dont trust other people with my gear, I dunno why, not even my good mates. I dont really like playing other peoples either, its weird!
Like I said though, I'll have a jam with him soon, and let him have a go on it where I can see him playing :lol:
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It's not a cr@p setup. The amp is a Fender Hot Rod Deville with a Mesa V-Twin for the overdrive. I've let him try my Yamaha with Crawlers. I guess he just doesn't hear it or something or maybe he's afraid of the price tag. Our bassist even backs him up who's thinking his Stingray bass is good enough. (I really don't want to describe how that thing through that amp of his sounds). Both of them are good players though.
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It's not a cr@p setup. The amp is a Fender Hot Rod Deville with a Mesa V-Twin for the overdrive. I've let him try my Yamaha with Crawlers. I guess he just doesn't hear it or something or maybe he's afraid of the price tag. Our bassist even backs him up who's thinking his Stingray bass is good enough. (I really don't want to describe how that thing through that amp of his sounds). Both of them are good players though.
I wasnt implying you had a cr@p setup, sorry! Mines pretty similar to yours I think. I think the price tag puts people off but really, its probably the same as or cheaper than EMG's or SD's in this country.
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No, it's my mates setup. He has the deville with the V-Twin, I have the Deluxe with the Tube Factor. Pretty similar but the TF sounds more Marshally.
Used SD's are dirt cheap here btw.
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Oh right! I think new SDs here are still expensive, I cant say I've wanted to check any of their prices recently though :lol:
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I have a feeling the price just fell!!!
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I know what you mean about convincing mates.
I have a good friend who plays either his Ibanez or his Strat and has some weird phobia of Les Pauls, he just doesn't like them. I think I'm getting there thoguh, he is liking the Edwards LP.
I'm sure your mate will come round eventually, he'll get his SD's or EMG's or whatever and carry on but one day he'll start listening to your tone and start to like it...
I noticed the SD's are a bit cheaper on Ebay lately (been selling some off, BK fund 8) )
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Just enjoy having good tone and keep playing and don't worry about your mates.
Sometimes trying to get others to see the light can feel like wasting your breath. You will do more to impress by having some killer licks (played with awesome tone) than by constantly explaining the differences.
I too hate it when people seem to follow like sheep - one fashion trend after another, but have learned over time to simply be happy in my own choices and enjoy the sweet luxuries I allow myself (which in my case are BKPs , nice amps and guitars that I build for myself....and lots of old music from the late 70s and early 80s)
In their day both Seymour Duncan and EMG worked hard to put out good product and establish a good following, and they put out some fine product.
I have SD and EMG in some of my guitars (as does TIM) and in certain guitars they sound great, but i keep an open mind and try stuff with open ears.
Just like you, I too love the fact that we all have a close working relationship with the guys that are making some great pickups (hats off to Tim, Steve and Ray) and we can chat to them and have a special kind of service that would otherwise be hard to imagine. I think that makes us very fortunate or lucky!
I would like to feel that is how my customers feel about me as well, or will do some day.
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Tim's only got EMG's in his Zakk bulls eye les paul I think (no SD's). The rest are ours and origional the Patient nubmber pickups. Im shure he will sorrect me if Im wrong.
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Tim's only got EMG's in his Zakk bulls eye les paul I think (no SD's). The rest are ours and origional the Patient nubmber pickups. Im shure he will sorrect me if Im wrong.
No -you are right there Steve
I meant that Tim has owned SDs and liked some of them - older ones I guess...and I do know that he still had EMGs in his Bullseye LP.
My point still stands that these companies worked hard in their heyday to make a product and a buzz amonst the players about their product. And that whilst I LOVE my BKPs with a passion , I try not to simply be partisan but judge them on their merits, and enjoy working with the guys in getting the best possible product to meet my needs or the needs of my customers.
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Yeah I understand what you mean, but now it seems SD, EMG etc cant compete with handwound pickups such as BKP, Harmonic Design and other brands I cant think of right now :lol: I guess I'll just let him get whatever he wants then and not bother with any more attempts at convincing him, hes one of those types that wont listen :P
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Just enjoy having good tone and keep playing and don't worry about your mates.
The problem is that I have to listen to that, IMO, inferior tone. :?
But you're right. I'm the one with the silly grin all the time. :P
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The problem is that I have to listen to that, IMO, inferior tone. :?
But you're right. I'm the one with the silly grin all the time. :P
haha yeah I know what you mean, multifx running into solid state amps isnt the best combination, especially with stock Epi p'ups IMHO :lol: I think its time to stop bitching about my mates tones now :twisted: